Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

[Phillip Barnett]

And in fact David Earl deserves recognition for pretty much single-handedly 
doing the original basic mapping of Cambridge at street level. (I did about 1% 
of it at the time, but had the excuse of very young children taking my 
attention)

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> On 8 Feb 2020, at 14:30, Richard Fairhurst  wrote:
> 
> Dave F wrote:
>> CU wanted a new site map. They paid someone to provide it for 
>> them. Which is fine, but please don't suggest they're 
>> contributions are superior to those of any anybody else. 
>> Especially when they decided to knowingly go against accepted 
>> tagging procedures.
> 
> I think that's a little harsh - David Earl mapped the university in the
> _very_ early days of the project. There's stuff there dating back to
> 2006/2007. Cambridge was the first place to be mapped in great detail in the
> UK - even in 2011 I remember giving a talk at Oxford Geek Nights where I
> could still hold Cambridge up as an exemplar of how to do it. You can
> imagine how well that went down in Oxford. ;)
> 
> So it wasn't really "going against accepted tagging procedures", because
> tagging was still very much evolving back then. Fully in agreement that the
> time has come to update the tagging, but that's just a result of OSM
> changing - there's no need for any rancour against the original mappers.
> 
> Richard
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Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

On 06/02/2020 16:49, Phillip Barnett wrote:

And here is the email from the guy who did the original mapping, the last time 
this came up, including his reasoning for the amenity Tag rather than building 
tag https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-May/017457.html


Note the time it took to write just that one post was longer than it 
would have taken to convert the OSM data & a few lines code to rectify 
the problem.


There isn't constant change. In this instance is was created incorrectly 
& needs to be fixed once.


His claim about building=university is moot. 'One feature, one OSM 
element' has been long established.


DaveF


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Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

[Richard Fairhurst]

Dave F wrote:
> CU wanted a new site map. They paid someone to provide it for 
> them. Which is fine, but please don't suggest they're 
> contributions are superior to those of any anybody else. 
> Especially when they decided to knowingly go against accepted 
> tagging procedures.

I think that's a little harsh - David Earl mapped the university in the
_very_ early days of the project. There's stuff there dating back to
2006/2007. Cambridge was the first place to be mapped in great detail in the
UK - even in 2011 I remember giving a talk at Oxford Geek Nights where I
could still hold Cambridge up as an exemplar of how to do it. You can
imagine how well that went down in Oxford. ;)

So it wasn't really "going against accepted tagging procedures", because
tagging was still very much evolving back then. Fully in agreement that the
time has come to update the tagging, but that's just a result of OSM
changing - there's no need for any rancour against the original mappers.

Richard



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Re: [Talk-GB] Still too many universities in Cambridge

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

On 06/02/2020 15:48, Brian Prangle wrote:

"OSM is not beholden to data consumers.
They take the data 'as is'. That includes any amendments

My planned amendment can always be reversed if there is a valid reason.
Upsetting CU isn't one"

  Not a great way to build a community when the data user in question put in
a lot of resource in order to create the OSM data in the firstplac
e


CU wanted a new site map. They paid someone to provide it for them. 
Which is fine, but please don't suggest they're contributions are 
superior to those of any anybody else. Especially when they decided to 
knowingly go against accepted tagging procedures. Many of us "put in a 
lot of resource".


They should expect their incorrect data to be rectified just as any of 
contributor should. I'm mildly irritated that these corrections have to 
be done by those who didn't create the errors in the first place.


DaveF

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Re: [Talk-GB] "British Islands" (was "OSMUK-in-a-box")

[Andy Townsend]

 > I've been looking at IoM, Jersey, and Guernsey which AFAIK have no coverage in the Community Index. As you say, it uses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2 country codes via the countryCoder so I'm expanding coverage to ["gb", "gg", "je", "im"]. I believe that there may be an issue in how Community Index calls Country Coder and have raised https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/issues/333Yes - I couldn't get lists to work either (of geojsons).  I assumed "it's great at what it does but it doesn't do everything" (and to be fair most of what it doesn't do is pretty well documented).   Best Regards,Andy   ___
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Re: [Talk-GB] "British Islands" (was "OSMUK-in-a-box")

[Jez Nicholson]

Great...then as far as Northern Ireland is concerned then I think that the
Community Index has it right already. It allows for the overlap or OSMUK
and OSMIE, Talk-GB and Talk-IE

I've been looking at IoM, Jersey, and Guernsey which AFAIK have no coverage
in the Community Index. As you say, it uses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-2 country codes via the
countryCoder so I'm expanding coverage to ["gb", "gg", "je", "im"]. I
believe that there may be an issue in how Community Index calls Country
Coder and have raised
https://github.com/osmlab/osm-community-index/issues/333

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 11:32 AM Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 07/02/2020 10:55, Jez Nicholson wrote:
> > Personally, I interpret the coverage of Talk-GB and OSMUK to be the
> > same, i.e. Northern Ireland is officially under OSMUK, but for
> > practical reasons mappers may want to interact with OSMIEand the
> > same for Talk-GB + Talk-IE.
>
> I think that part of the reason historically was that older
> out-of-copyright maps (and things like townlands) were common across the
> island of Ireland.
>
> Even if it was "overclaiming" I don't think that there would be a
> particular problem with talk-gb also being included on the list for NI
> at https://openstreetmap.community/ - the worst that could happen would
> be that someone would get an answer to their question (which might also
> include a mention of various IE resources).  I recently expanded the
> "East Midlands" coverage north a bit to reflect occasional meet-ups in
> Sheffield and the fact that we've had people attending from further
> north again.
>
>
> >
> > This could make the situation of gb geojson simpler. Do you know where
> > they've defined gb? I can't see it.
>
> It uses the iD editor's country coder.  The documentation for that is at
>
> https://github.com/ideditor/country-coder#readme
>
> There's a list in there of what it does and what it doesn't do.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Panorama Mapping Party with TrekView - May 23 - Ashurst, New Forest, UK

[Jez Nicholson]

Nice hookup with Trek Viewdoes this warrant adding to
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Current_events as a mapping party? I
always like seeing UK events on there.

On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 5:37 PM Nick Whitelegg 
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> As some of you may know I am developing OpenTrailView (
> https://opentrailview.org), a pure 100% FOSS StreetView-like application
> for off-road routes such as hiking trails which uses OpenStreetMap data to
> auto-connect the panoramas together.
>
> Recently I've been working with Trek View (trekview.org), an organisation
> which aims to capture panoramas of the natural world.
> In their words: TrekView is a not-for-profit organisation using the power
> of panoramic photography to help educate and protect against further
> destruction of our beautiful planet. In 2020, they're launching Trekker
> Camp. Think virtual field trips. Trekker Camp will design and deliver
> immersive learning experiences to give students (7-11) the necessary
> understanding and skills to tackle the world's most pressing issues, from
> ocean health to climate change.
>
> TrekView loan 360 camera packs (using the GoPro Fusion) to allow people to
> capture imagery of the natural world, from off-road routes including hiking
> routes and rivers. As well as Google Street View, TrekView's software now
> allows contributors to upload to OpenTrailView.
>
> On to the most important aspect of this post. On May 23rd, and inspired by
> OSM mapping parties, we're organising a Panorama Mapping Party at Ashurst,
> New Forest, Hampshire, UK, with the aim of intensively capturing panoramic
> imagery of the paths and trails in the area which will then be uploaded to
> OpenTrailView. As OSM coverage in the area is exceptionally good, this
> should then result in the creation of extensive walk-through tours of the
> area.
>
> The form will be similar to mapping parties. The plan is to meet at 11:00
> (there's a train which arrives from London at the local station, Ashurst
> New Forest, at around 10:45), plan, capture imagery and then get together
> in the pub afterwards.
>
> More details (with OSM map showing location):
> https://www.trekview.org/blog/2020/pano-party-new-forest-uk-may-23-2020/
>
>
> So if you're interested in 360 photography and OSM, then do come along!
> 360 camera packs will be available to borrow and use on the day, or if you
> have your own device, please bring it along.
>
> Thanks,
> Nick
>
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