Re: [Talk-GB] CWGC: worldwide, war graves

[Warin]

On 26/4/20 10:50 pm, Colin Smale wrote:


On 2020-04-26 14:26, Tony OSM wrote:

If we generate a tag schema it clearly needs to be applicable to 
other grave organisations - e.g. German War Graves Commission - 
/Volksbund Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge/ in German.



So we need a more abstract concept like "War Cemetery":

war_cemetery=cwgc

or

war_cemetery:cwgc=yes

I suspect the CWGC don't "own" or "operate" many of these (shared) 
locations or graves - they would just be cataloguing the facts.




Australia pays for the upkeep of its war dead graves.


I would hope that a similar respect is shown by other countries to their 
war dead.
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[Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM

[Richard Fairhurst]

Hi folks,

You’ll remember that a couple of weeks ago I posted about the work I’m doing to 
look at getting the relevant bits of Transport for London’s openly licensed 
Cycle Infrastructure Database into OSM.

I’ve now pushed the in-progress code to github:

https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion

It takes the TfL CID files, compares them against OSM (by making queries 
against a freshly loaded Postgres database), and outputs a series of files for 
each datatype, all categorised by the type of editing that will be required to 
get them into OSM. So, for example, there’s a script that takes TfL’s cycle 
parking data and compares it against OSM, then outputs three files: one of TfL 
locations that aren’t in OSM, one of those which are in both, and one of those 
which are in OSM only.

It’s pretty in-depth stuff. The cycle parking alone is a 300+ line script. 
There are five separate scripts for different types of traffic calming, another 
300-line script for cycle lanes, and so on. The matching logic is distinct for 
each type of data - because, for example, speed bumps aren’t at junctions, but 
raised tables often are. There’s a script (.rb) and a readme (.md) for each one 
at:

https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/tree/master/readers

But if you don’t fancy delving into complex Ruby/PostGIS scripts, then just 
have a look at the readmes there, and then go straight to the output data:

https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/tree/master/output

It’s all in GeoJSON format (for now) for ease of loading into QGIS or similar 
tools. Plus there’s a raster tileset of the cycle lanes/tracks for easy 
reference in your editor of choice - see https://osm.cycle.travel for details 
and a browsable map.

So, where next?

As you’ll see, I’ve generally split the output between simple, uncontentious 
additions which can go into OSM fairly simply, and those objects that will 
require more work to integrate.

Much of the data can obviously only be integrated into OSM with serious manual 
editing work. This is particularly true of the cycle lanes and tracks, which 
will require adding extra tags to existing roads, splitting at start/end 
points, and so on. TfL have committed to some staff time to get much of this 
done (yay!) and Martin at CycleStreets has been training them up on OSM, but 
obviously work patterns are a bit disrupted at the moment so this won’t 
necessarily happen too soon.

Some of it can go into OSM in a more-or-less automated fashion. This is 
particularly true of the cycle parking, and of most speed bumps. Some 
crossings, chicanes, barriers, and continuous pavements (sidewalks) at 
side-roads could potentially go in. I’ll be doing a bit more work on these to 
get them into a format which could perhaps form an automated edit and would 
welcome views.

And, obviously, if you’d like to get involved in bringing the data into OSM, 
that’s great! I’m very happy to put more work in to get it into a format 
that’ll be useful for people (not really being a JOSMite myself ;) ).

cheers
Richard
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Re: [Talk-GB] underfoot art

[Peter Neale via Talk-GB]

Pavement art, or perhaps street painting?

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  On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 15:32, Martin Wynne wrote:   What 
is this stuff called?

  https://goo.gl/maps/uVVfLbicFhT25TM5A

  https://goo.gl/maps/5g1yJnsAGEHzpqqY6

I got as far as tourism=artwork but then

  artwork_type= ?

thanks,

Martin.

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSMF microgrants

[Jez Nicholson]

Not entirely serious/thought through, but i'd like to but an electric bike,
cover it with OSM branding, and camera kit for making
Mapillary/OpenStreetCam video. The bike then gets taken round various
cities in the UK as a focal point for increasing the public's knowledge and
contribution to OSM in the UK.

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 11:58 AM Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just wanted to follow up on this to see if anyone had ideas for the OSMF
> microgrant scheme.
>
> Thanks
> Rob
>
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020, 17:49 Rob Nickerson, 
> wrote:
>
>> Here are some ideas to get us started. Happy for anyone to pick these up
>> and run with them. If you do, please let me know otherwise I may raise some
>> myself:
>>
>> *Design and production of a series of leaflets. *
>> I really liked the Wikimedia leaflets that were handed out at the OSM UK
>> AGM in London. We borrowed the style to create a leaflet in advance of the
>> MOVE 2020 conference. This one is corporate focused and hence we could do
>> with a series of leaflets targeting different audiences (Wikimedia had 2
>> leaflets at our AGM).
>>
>> *Costs related to hosting.*
>> I'm pretty sure quite a few people would appreciate this.
>>
>> *Software projects.*
>> I'm hoping we can come up with a few ideas here too. Personally I am
>> finding myself using my laptop less and less and doing a lot more on my
>> phone. A few of the OSM websites I use don't work that well on mobile so it
>> may be nice to see some changes here. I'm expecting others to have much
>> better ideas than me here though! :-D
>>
>>
>>- *Merchandise (swag) to recognize exceptional volunteer
>>contributions, or low-cost swag.*
>>- Subsidizing the cost of the hi-vis jacket scheme run by OSM UK.
>>
>>
>>
>>- *Funding for shared mapping equipment.*
>>- What about a drone? Some bike and car mounts to help us collect
>>more Mapillary / OpenStreetCam imagery?
>>
>>
>> That's my starter for ten. Looking forward to seeing your ideas.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> *Rob*
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 17:17, Rob Nickerson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> The OSMF launched their microgrant scheme today. Value is up to EUR 5000
>>> (GBP 4,300) and projects can last up to 12 months.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2020/04/19/announcing-the-osm-foundations-call-for-microgrant-applications/
>>>
>>> Anyone wishing to submit a proposal "should discuss with the relevant
>>> local communities" and apparently "must consult with your Local Chapter if
>>> applicable".
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what that last point means. If it means the board then you
>>> can reach us on bo...@osmuk.org. If it means the wider membership then
>>> I suggest posting here or to our Loomio group. We are happy to collate and
>>> send a mailchimp newsletter to all our OSM UK members to ensure they get
>>> the messages (as not sure if all read this list or Loomio).
>>>
>>> Moving on from the admin, what ideas do you have? :-)
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> *Rob*
>>>
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[Talk-GB] underfoot art

[Martin Wynne]

What is this stuff called?

 https://goo.gl/maps/uVVfLbicFhT25TM5A

 https://goo.gl/maps/5g1yJnsAGEHzpqqY6

I got as far as tourism=artwork but then

 artwork_type= ?

thanks,

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Re: [Talk-GB] CWGC: worldwide, war graves

[Daniel Pocock]

On 26/04/2020 14:26, Tony OSM wrote:
> Am browsing the CWGC website as I write, looking at my locality.
> 
> Clearly landuse=cemetery is the principal tag for the typical CWGC
> cemetery - dedicated to military with rows of the fallen.
> 
> There is a proposal for cemetary=sector which appears to have failed.
> 
> CWGC is showing in my locality > 20 locations where there are CWGC
> casualties, most are in local cemeteries and graveyards. Quantity of
> graves is from 1 upwards.
>
> Nationality of the interred also may be important - there may be very
> many commonwealth nationalities in one location.

That is a good point.  For example, Australians may only want to focus
on cemeteries with Anzacs

The CWGC data set includes the number of graves for each nationality
https://anzacathon.com/data-sources.shtml


> If we generate a tag schema it clearly needs to be applicable to other
> grave organisations - e.g. German War Graves Commission - /Volksbund
> Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge/ in German.
> 
> Will we use abbreviation or the full name?

I wonder if these organizations also communicate with each other.  There
may be some opportunity to get further insights from them.  They may
also see some benefit in collaboration with OSM.

> What about a cemetery with multiple organisations graves? (I've seen some)
> 
> URL's to the parent site - CWGC - there could be several in one cemetary.

CWGC tracks over 20,000 cemeteries.  In many of the small ones, it is a
single war grave in a regular cemetery and there is a plaque near the
gate telling people about it.

Here is an example:

https://www.ww2cemeteries.com/allemont-le-rivier-communal-cemetery.html

I went there on my bike and made an updated site, including links back
to OSM:

https://anzac.site/france/le-rivier-d-allemont/

Regards,

Daniel


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Re: [Talk-GB] CWGC: worldwide, war graves

[Colin Smale]

On 2020-04-26 14:26, Tony OSM wrote:

> If we generate a tag schema it clearly needs to be applicable to other grave 
> organisations - e.g. German War Graves Commission - _Volksbund Deutsche 
> Kriegsgräberfürsorge_ in German.

So we need a more abstract concept like "War Cemetery": 

war_cemetery=cwgc 

or 

war_cemetery:cwgc=yes 

I suspect the CWGC don't "own" or "operate" many of these (shared)
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Re: [Talk-GB] CWGC: worldwide, war graves

[Colin Smale]

=yes would flag its existence and someone could add the actual id number
later. I assume you consider the presence of the sign as sufficient
evidence that the site actually exists. It may refer to specific graves
in a general cemetery (so it would be an additional attribute of the
cemetery object) but it may also be a dedicated cemetery in its own
right.

On 2020-04-26 14:16, Andy Townsend wrote:

> That'd work when if I know the reference, but what if I've only seen the sign?
> 
> On 26/04/2020 13:09, Colin Smale wrote: 
> 
> ref:cwgc=* would kill two birds with one stone, would it not? 
> 
> On 2020-04-26 13:44, Andy Townsend wrote: 
> Hello,
> 
> How is it suggested to tag "there are commonwealth war graves here"?
> 
> At least near me, there's usually a fairly large white on green sign near the 
> entrance, so even if it's not something you'd explicitly go out to map, it's 
> often something that you'd notice.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Andy
> 
> On 25/04/2020 22:20, Daniel Pocock wrote: 
> On 25/04/2020 22:55, Michael Booth wrote: This seems to be it:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-August/010110.html
> 
> Found via a search for: site:lists.openstreetmap.org "talk-gb"
> "Commonwealth" Thanks for finding that so quickly
> 
> Daniel, what is actually being proposed to be added to OSM? Is it a list
> of CWG cemeteries that could then be checked against the data we have in
> OSM? I remember seeing a maproulette for cemeteries in Texas, perhaps
> something similar could be done to find missing CWG cemeteries. Please see 
> the CWGC and TracesOfWar lists on this page:
> 
> https://anzacathon.com/data-sources.shtml
> 
> They simply have the name of the cemetery or monument, the latitude and
> the longitude
> 
> CWGC has 20,000 records, TracesOfWar has 120,000 records
> 
> AWM also has about 14,000 records for places but they are not in the
> IPFS world yet.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daniel
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Re: [Talk-GB] CWGC: worldwide, war graves

[Philip Barnes]

On Sun, 2020-04-26 at 12:44 +0100, Andy Townsend wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> How is it suggested to tag "there are commonwealth war graves here"?
> 
> At least near me, there's usually a fairly large white on green sign 
> near the entrance, so even if it's not something you'd explicitly go
> out 
> to map, it's often something that you'd notice.
> 
I must admit I had not thought of it in terms of the UK, but as you say
there are probably war graves in many cemeteries around the country.

I have visited several on my road trips through Northern France, they
are quite distinctive with very white uniform gravestones in straight
lines and always well maintained. They are quite distinctive on
imagery.

As a quick test I ran an overpass turbo query on amenity=cemetery and
name:en=* on an area of North Eastern France/Belgium and that did
produce some interesting results.

https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Tji

The tag cemetery=war_cemetery has some usage.

Visiting them is quite a big thing, one of my Ramblers/CAMRA friends
goes on a coach trip visiting them every year.

Wikidata https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2312998 leads to 
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q14750991 but I have not idea how you get
back to a list of cemeteries from that category.

Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: [Talk-GB] CWGC: worldwide, war graves

[Tony OSM]

Am browsing the CWGC website as I write, looking at my locality.

Clearly landuse=cemetery is the principal tag for the typical CWGC 
cemetery - dedicated to military with rows of the fallen.


There is a proposal for cemetary=sector which appears to have failed.

CWGC is showing in my locality > 20 locations where there are CWGC 
casualties, most are in local cemeteries and graveyards. Quantity of 
graves is from 1 upwards.


Nationality of the interred also may be important - there may be very 
many commonwealth nationalities in one location.


If we generate a tag schema it clearly needs to be applicable to other 
grave organisations - e.g. German War Graves Commission - /Volksbund 
Deutsche Kriegsgräberfürsorge/ in German.


Will we use abbreviation or the full name?

What about a cemetery with multiple organisations graves? (I've seen some)

URL's to the parent site - CWGC - there could be several in one cemetary.


Tony Shield

TonyS999

On 26/04/2020 12:44, Andy Townsend wrote:

Hello,

How is it suggested to tag "there are commonwealth war graves here"?

At least near me, there's usually a fairly large white on green sign 
near the entrance, so even if it's not something you'd explicitly go 
out to map, it's often something that you'd notice.


Best Regards,

Andy

On 25/04/2020 22:20, Daniel Pocock wrote:


On 25/04/2020 22:55, Michael Booth wrote:

This seems to be it:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-August/010110.html 



Found via a search for: site:lists.openstreetmap.org "talk-gb"
"Commonwealth"

Thanks for finding that so quickly

Daniel, what is actually being proposed to be added to OSM? Is it a 
list
of CWG cemeteries that could then be checked against the data we 
have in

OSM? I remember seeing a maproulette for cemeteries in Texas, perhaps
something similar could be done to find missing CWG cemeteries.

Please see the CWGC and TracesOfWar lists on this page:


https://anzacathon.com/data-sources.shtml

They simply have the name of the cemetery or monument, the latitude and
the longitude

CWGC has 20,000 records, TracesOfWar has 120,000 records

AWM also has about 14,000 records for places but they are not in the
IPFS world yet.

Regards,

Daniel

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Re: [Talk-GB] CWGC: worldwide, war graves

[Andy Townsend]

That'd work when if I know the reference, but what if I've only seen the 
sign?


On 26/04/2020 13:09, Colin Smale wrote:


ref:cwgc=* would kill two birds with one stone, would it not?

On 2020-04-26 13:44, Andy Townsend wrote:


Hello,

How is it suggested to tag "there are commonwealth war graves here"?

At least near me, there's usually a fairly large white on green sign 
near the entrance, so even if it's not something you'd explicitly go 
out to map, it's often something that you'd notice.


Best Regards,

Andy

On 25/04/2020 22:20, Daniel Pocock wrote:


On 25/04/2020 22:55, Michael Booth wrote:

This seems to be it:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-August/010110.html

Found via a search for: site:lists.openstreetmap.org "talk-gb"
"Commonwealth"

Thanks for finding that so quickly


Daniel, what is actually being proposed to be added to OSM? Is it a list
of CWG cemeteries that could then be checked against the data we have in
OSM? I remember seeing a maproulette for cemeteries in Texas, perhaps
something similar could be done to find missing CWG cemeteries.

Please see the CWGC and TracesOfWar lists on this page:


https://anzacathon.com/data-sources.shtml

They simply have the name of the cemetery or monument, the latitude and
the longitude

CWGC has 20,000 records, TracesOfWar has 120,000 records

AWM also has about 14,000 records for places but they are not in the
IPFS world yet.

Regards,

Daniel

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Re: [Talk-GB] CWGC: worldwide, war graves

[Colin Smale]

ref:cwgc=* would kill two birds with one stone, would it not? 

On 2020-04-26 13:44, Andy Townsend wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> How is it suggested to tag "there are commonwealth war graves here"?
> 
> At least near me, there's usually a fairly large white on green sign near the 
> entrance, so even if it's not something you'd explicitly go out to map, it's 
> often something that you'd notice.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Andy
> 
> On 25/04/2020 22:20, Daniel Pocock wrote: 
> On 25/04/2020 22:55, Michael Booth wrote: This seems to be it:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-August/010110.html
> 
> Found via a search for: site:lists.openstreetmap.org "talk-gb"
> "Commonwealth" Thanks for finding that so quickly
> 
> Daniel, what is actually being proposed to be added to OSM? Is it a list
> of CWG cemeteries that could then be checked against the data we have in
> OSM? I remember seeing a maproulette for cemeteries in Texas, perhaps
> something similar could be done to find missing CWG cemeteries. Please see 
> the CWGC and TracesOfWar lists on this page:
> 
> https://anzacathon.com/data-sources.shtml
> 
> They simply have the name of the cemetery or monument, the latitude and
> the longitude
> 
> CWGC has 20,000 records, TracesOfWar has 120,000 records
> 
> AWM also has about 14,000 records for places but they are not in the
> IPFS world yet.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daniel
> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] CWGC: worldwide, war graves

[Andy Townsend]

Hello,

How is it suggested to tag "there are commonwealth war graves here"?

At least near me, there's usually a fairly large white on green sign 
near the entrance, so even if it's not something you'd explicitly go out 
to map, it's often something that you'd notice.


Best Regards,

Andy

On 25/04/2020 22:20, Daniel Pocock wrote:


On 25/04/2020 22:55, Michael Booth wrote:

This seems to be it:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-August/010110.html

Found via a search for: site:lists.openstreetmap.org "talk-gb"
"Commonwealth"

Thanks for finding that so quickly


Daniel, what is actually being proposed to be added to OSM? Is it a list
of CWG cemeteries that could then be checked against the data we have in
OSM? I remember seeing a maproulette for cemeteries in Texas, perhaps
something similar could be done to find missing CWG cemeteries.

Please see the CWGC and TracesOfWar lists on this page:


https://anzacathon.com/data-sources.shtml

They simply have the name of the cemetery or monument, the latitude and
the longitude

CWGC has 20,000 records, TracesOfWar has 120,000 records

AWM also has about 14,000 records for places but they are not in the
IPFS world yet.

Regards,

Daniel

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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #509 2020-04-14-2020-04-20

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 509,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

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Enjoy! 

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