Re: [Talk-GB] Q2 2020 Quarterly project GP Surgeries and health sites

[Cj Malone via Talk-GB]

I think a lot of the confusion comes from the name suggestion index (some of 
the presets for iD) listing Boots twice. However basically all (if not all) of 
Boots in the UK are pharmacies, because they do prescriptions. In some regions 
this is not the case, Boots without prescriptions is a chemist.

In the UK it's more obvious using Superdrug as an example, some stores do 
prescriptions, some don't. If Superdrug does prescriptions it may be 
amenity=pharmacy or it may have a separate node for the pharmacy, with 
different contract details and opening times, but I don't think this is usually 
worth it for small shops.

Supermarkets on the other hand, I would have there pharmacies as separate 
nodes, partly for the above, different details. But also because the location 
inside the store can be massively helpful for people who just want the 
pharmacy, not the supermarket. See Sainsbury's with a Lloyds Pharmacy inside it 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6868601075 Tesco with a Tesco pharmacy 
inside https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6841571554

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Re: [Talk-GB] Road closures/changes during Covid19

[Jez Nicholson]

Good idea.

I know that https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/165405326 in Brighton has
been temporarily closed (in reality and in OSM).

On Sun, 24 May 2020, 15:46 Tony OSM,  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Yes a very good idea.
>
> I'm in  North West England - the main driver in this area is Manchester. I
> have seen social media  and news outlets showing photos of Deansgate,
> Manchester with expanded pedestrian areas and expanded cycle lanes; motor
> vehicles removed - but I don't know if there are delivery exceptions. This
> has been an aspiration for several years so it may become permanent.
>
> I can't travel to survey this.
>
> I have seen no mentions of expanded bicycle /pedestrian areas in Chorley
> or Preston.
>
> If a table in a wiki page was created iy region/alphabetic town - we could
> pool our knowledge and plan survey trips. Information saying no change is
> also helpful.
>
> Regards
>
> Tony
> On 24/05/2020 14:34, Rob Nickerson wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> How are you reflecting current road changes in OpenStreetMap? I am aware
> that some cities are closing a few roads to motor traffic and installing
> additional cycle infrastructure. I'm not sure how permanent this is going
> to be, but it certainly feels like it will last a few months.
>
> Is it worth setting up a coordinated approach to mapping these changes? We
> can set up a wiki page with a table of who is contributing in each city,
> where data is available, and what tags we want to use.
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Thanks,
> *Rob*
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] hgv=discouraged

[Ed Loach]

I used motor_vehicle=unsuitable here https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/26551700 
for want of a better tag. I wouldn't ever drive it, as having walked it and 
seen all the scrapes in the road surface where cars bottom out on the sharp 
transition from the steep slopes up to the bridge to the horizontal bit over 
the railway I wouldn't want to risk the damage to my car. Many people do though 
- presumably in company cars.

Ed

From: Philip Barnes 
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 1:29:00 AM
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] hgv=discouraged

Hi Mateusz
You would need to venture deep into the rural UK to start finding these signs, 
they are quite common around here.
An example here
https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/Hys6QlJfrRC9fNHsPzeTTQ

This one is just narrow, with few ad-hoc passing places, places to squeeze to 
allow another car to pass but certainly not a hgv. Meet one and hopefully you 
are good at reversing.

One thing that was not mentioned on the international list was there is also 
Unsuitable for Motor Vehicles.

An example here
https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/7DD5trbqVEil3AKJCJeJDg

In practical terms the question is what does this mean.
Well its not a good idea for a router to use these roads blindly, so although 
this example I have driven through it many times.
The practical problems are that it is a narrow single track road, no space to 
turn and after a heavy rain it likely to be under deep water which can flood 
and destroy the engine of a modern car.
Would I drive through there tomorrow, well yes. I know it has been dry for the 
last week.

Another here https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/y3zTGNAT7MgGtxoaGXPUvQ
Well its officially an unclassified road, not a green lane or county road, many 
practical roads have this category.

It deteriorates into a very muddy, deeply rutted track. I have walked it, but 
no way would I attempt to drive the full length of it. Premises need to to 
approched from the right end.


Discouraged does seem to be a reasonable tag, effectivly =destination but a hgv 
driver in particular does need to know which end to approch from.

Phil (trigpoint)



On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 01:31 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote:
I created
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:hgv%3Ddiscouraged
based on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access content
and what I found on internet.

Triggered by post on an international mailing list by someone who was unaware
that we have a way to tag "Unsuitable for Heavy Goods Vehicles" signs.

I never was in UK, but content at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access
about "discouraged" value seemed to be a good idea.

Review is welcomed - is it matching reality and how OSM community maps such 
objects?

This new page should be found by
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?search=%22Unsuitable+for+Heavy+Goods+Vehicles%22=Special%3ASearch=Go
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?search=Unsuitable+for+HGV=Special%3ASearch=default=1
searches

(and that was primary reason for creating it).


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