Re: [Talk-GB] Scheduled Monument

2020-07-30 Thread Nick 
Save the file as an XML file on your computer or wherever then in JOSM: 
Edit>Preferences>Map Display>Tagging presets - then click the + sign and 
add the file.


On 30/07/2020 16:08, Andy Mabbett wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 15:36, Tony OSM  wrote:


I did know of that plug-in so i created my own


http://josm.openstreetmap.de/tagging-preset-1.0"; >

[...]



Where/ how do I need to save that, to use it in JOSM?



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Re: [Talk-GB] Scheduled Monument

2020-07-30 Thread Nick 

Hi Tony

I had contacted one of the authors but also did wonder if it was better 
to make my own - thank you so much for sharing your version :-)


Cheers

Nick

On 30/07/2020 15:36, Tony OSM wrote:


Hi

I did know of that plug-in so i created my own


http://josm.openstreetmap.de/tagging-preset-1.0"; >
preset_name_label="true">
    
            href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:listed_status"; />

    
    
            
            values="Grade I, Grade II*, Grade II" />

            
            
            
            
            
   


to produce tags

HE_ref=123456 (example)
heritage:operator=Historic England
heritage=2
historic=heritage
listed_status=Grade II* (from dropdown list - must extend this to 
include Scheduled Monument etc)

operator=an operator (example)
start_date=2022 (example)
website=a:url (example)

Tony

On 30/07/2020 13:00, Nick wrote:


In relation to this, I wondered if anyone using JOSM has reviewed the 
preset https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets/Heritage? For 
example, it seems that for England the use of he:criteria has been 
used to tag listed buildings. Should this preset use a drop down for 
he:criteria with values for the NHLE heritage listings? Taking this 
further, should the preset also have a drop down for Listed Building 
listed_status?


On 23/07/2020 15:12, Nick wrote:


Out of interest, I note that in England the 'List Entry Number' 
appears to be simply numeric, which does not appear to give an 
indication of the type of designation. Perhaps I have not picked 
that up correctly.


N.B. in Scotland, designations have a code + numeric listing e.g. 
HMPA2 (which is a Historic Marine Protected Area). This makes it 
easier to identify by the listing as to the type of heritage 
designation (suggest that code references/descriptors could be 
included on a wiki for ref:hs=*)


On 23/07/2020 11:39, Tony OSM wrote:


Hi

When I started mapping these objects I looked at what other people 
had done and followed suit. I looked at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#United_Kingdom and 
saw a the statement



/National Heritage List for England (Historic England)/

//

/The Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England 
(commonly known as //Historic England 
//) has given permission for the 
//National Heritage List for England 
//(NHLE) 
to be used in OSM under the terms of the //Open Government Licence 
v3 
//. 
//[10] 
//No 
specific attribution was requested, so the default: "Contains 
public sector information licensed under the Open Government 
Licence v3.0." applies. The NHLE includes the following heritage 
listings: /


//

  * /Listed buildings (see //Key:listed_status
//)/
  * /Scheduled monuments/
  * /Protected wreck sites/
  * /Registered parks and gardens/
  * /Registered battlefields/
  * /World Heritage Sites/
  * /Buildings with Building Preservation Notices (BPNs)/

Revisiting today I think England is OK to use the data, but what 
about Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland and Isle Of Man ..


On 23/07/2020 10:47, Robert Skedgell wrote:

On 15/07/2020 10:18, Tony OSM wrote:

Whilst mapping some of my local historic places I have found Scheduled
Monuments. They are described in the Historic England list as Heritage
Category: Scheduled Monument and has a List Entry Number.

Building are listed as Heritage Category: Listed Building , Grade: (I,
II*, II) and a list entry number.


I have a related question about using data from the Historic England
list. How can we comply with the attribution requirement in para. 2 of
OS Open Data Licence Agreement used by HE (below)? Some of this may be
covered by OSM's general license and acknowledgements, but would an
additional tag on the object be required?

Ordnance Survey Open Data Licence Agreement

Historic England is able to license the use of a number of its spatial
data sets for use in Geographic Information Systems (GIS) ("Historic
England GIS Data") for commercial and non-commercial use.

1. Subject to the terms below, you are now granted a worldwide,
perpetual, non-exclusive licence to use this Historic England GIS Data.
You may:
- copy, publish, distribute and transmit the Historic England GIS Data
- adapt or modify the Historic England GIS Data
- exploit the Historic England GIS Data commercially for example by
combining it with other information or by including it in your own
product or application

2. You must always use the following attribution statements to
acknowledge the source of the information:

© Historic England [year]. Contains Ordnance Survey data © Crown
copyright and database right [year] The Historic England GIS

Re: [Talk-GB] Scheduled Monument

2020-07-30 Thread Andy Mabbett 
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 15:36, Tony OSM  wrote:

> I did know of that plug-in so i created my own
>
> 
> http://josm.openstreetmap.de/tagging-preset-1.0"; >
[...]
> 

Where/ how do I need to save that, to use it in JOSM?

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Talk-GB] Scheduled Monument

2020-07-30 Thread Tony OSM 

Hi

I did know of that plug-in so i created my own


http://josm.openstreetmap.de/tagging-preset-1.0"; >
preset_name_label="true">
    
            href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:listed_status"; />

    
    
            
            values="Grade I, Grade II*, Grade II" />

            
            
            
            
            
   


to produce tags

HE_ref=123456 (example)
heritage:operator=Historic England
heritage=2
historic=heritage
listed_status=Grade II* (from dropdown list - must extend this to 
include Scheduled Monument etc)

operator=an operator (example)
start_date=2022 (example)
website=a:url (example)

Tony

On 30/07/2020 13:00, Nick wrote:


In relation to this, I wondered if anyone using JOSM has reviewed the 
preset https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets/Heritage? For 
example, it seems that for England the use of he:criteria has been 
used to tag listed buildings. Should this preset use a drop down for 
he:criteria with values for the NHLE heritage listings? Taking this 
further, should the preset also have a drop down for Listed Building 
listed_status?


On 23/07/2020 15:12, Nick wrote:


Out of interest, I note that in England the 'List Entry Number' 
appears to be simply numeric, which does not appear to give an 
indication of the type of designation. Perhaps I have not picked that 
up correctly.


N.B. in Scotland, designations have a code + numeric listing e.g. 
HMPA2 (which is a Historic Marine Protected Area). This makes it 
easier to identify by the listing as to the type of heritage 
designation (suggest that code references/descriptors could be 
included on a wiki for ref:hs=*)


On 23/07/2020 11:39, Tony OSM wrote:


Hi

When I started mapping these objects I looked at what other people 
had done and followed suit. I looked at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#United_Kingdom and 
saw a the statement



/National Heritage List for England (Historic England)/

//

/The Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England 
(commonly known as //Historic England 
//) has given permission for the 
//National Heritage List for England 
//(NHLE) 
to be used in OSM under the terms of the //Open Government Licence 
v3 
//. 
//[10] 
//No 
specific attribution was requested, so the default: "Contains public 
sector information licensed under the Open Government Licence v3.0." 
applies. The NHLE includes the following heritage listings: /


//

  * /Listed buildings (see //Key:listed_status
//)/
  * /Scheduled monuments/
  * /Protected wreck sites/
  * /Registered parks and gardens/
  * /Registered battlefields/
  * /World Heritage Sites/
  * /Buildings with Building Preservation Notices (BPNs)/

Revisiting today I think England is OK to use the data, but what 
about Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland and Isle Of Man ..


On 23/07/2020 10:47, Robert Skedgell wrote:

On 15/07/2020 10:18, Tony OSM wrote:

Whilst mapping some of my local historic places I have found Scheduled
Monuments. They are described in the Historic England list as Heritage
Category: Scheduled Monument and has a List Entry Number.

Building are listed as Heritage Category: Listed Building , Grade: (I,
II*, II) and a list entry number.


I have a related question about using data from the Historic England
list. How can we comply with the attribution requirement in para. 2 of
OS Open Data Licence Agreement used by HE (below)? Some of this may be
covered by OSM's general license and acknowledgements, but would an
additional tag on the object be required?

Ordnance Survey Open Data Licence Agreement

Historic England is able to license the use of a number of its spatial
data sets for use in Geographic Information Systems (GIS) ("Historic
England GIS Data") for commercial and non-commercial use.

1. Subject to the terms below, you are now granted a worldwide,
perpetual, non-exclusive licence to use this Historic England GIS Data.
You may:
- copy, publish, distribute and transmit the Historic England GIS Data
- adapt or modify the Historic England GIS Data
- exploit the Historic England GIS Data commercially for example by
combining it with other information or by including it in your own
product or application

2. You must always use the following attribution statements to
acknowledge the source of the information:

© Historic England [year]. Contains Ordnance Survey data © Crown
copyright and database right [year] The Historic England GIS Data
contained in this material was obtained on [date]. The most publicly
available up to date Historic England GIS Data can be obtained from
http://www.HistoricEngland.org.uk.

3. The same requirement

Re: [Talk-GB] Scheduled Monument

2020-07-30 Thread Nick 
In relation to this, I wondered if anyone using JOSM has reviewed the 
preset https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets/Heritage? For example, 
it seems that for England the use of he:criteria has been used to tag 
listed buildings. Should this preset use a drop down for he:criteria 
with values for the NHLE heritage listings? Taking this further, should 
the preset also have a drop down for Listed Building listed_status?


On 23/07/2020 15:12, Nick wrote:


Out of interest, I note that in England the 'List Entry Number' 
appears to be simply numeric, which does not appear to give an 
indication of the type of designation. Perhaps I have not picked that 
up correctly.


N.B. in Scotland, designations have a code + numeric listing e.g. 
HMPA2 (which is a Historic Marine Protected Area). This makes it 
easier to identify by the listing as to the type of heritage 
designation (suggest that code references/descriptors could be 
included on a wiki for ref:hs=*)


On 23/07/2020 11:39, Tony OSM wrote:


Hi

When I started mapping these objects I looked at what other people 
had done and followed suit. I looked at 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#United_Kingdom and 
saw a the statement



/National Heritage List for England (Historic England)/

//

/The Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England 
(commonly known as //Historic England 
//) has given permission for the 
//National Heritage List for England 
//(NHLE) 
to be used in OSM under the terms of the //Open Government Licence v3 
//. 
//[10] 
//No 
specific attribution was requested, so the default: "Contains public 
sector information licensed under the Open Government Licence v3.0." 
applies. The NHLE includes the following heritage listings: /


//

  * /Listed buildings (see //Key:listed_status
//)/
  * /Scheduled monuments/
  * /Protected wreck sites/
  * /Registered parks and gardens/
  * /Registered battlefields/
  * /World Heritage Sites/
  * /Buildings with Building Preservation Notices (BPNs)/

Revisiting today I think England is OK to use the data, but what 
about Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland and Isle Of Man ..


On 23/07/2020 10:47, Robert Skedgell wrote:

On 15/07/2020 10:18, Tony OSM wrote:

Whilst mapping some of my local historic places I have found Scheduled
Monuments. They are described in the Historic England list as Heritage
Category: Scheduled Monument and has a List Entry Number.

Building are listed as Heritage Category: Listed Building , Grade: (I,
II*, II) and a list entry number.


I have a related question about using data from the Historic England
list. How can we comply with the attribution requirement in para. 2 of
OS Open Data Licence Agreement used by HE (below)? Some of this may be
covered by OSM's general license and acknowledgements, but would an
additional tag on the object be required?

Ordnance Survey Open Data Licence Agreement

Historic England is able to license the use of a number of its spatial
data sets for use in Geographic Information Systems (GIS) ("Historic
England GIS Data") for commercial and non-commercial use.

1. Subject to the terms below, you are now granted a worldwide,
perpetual, non-exclusive licence to use this Historic England GIS Data.
You may:
- copy, publish, distribute and transmit the Historic England GIS Data
- adapt or modify the Historic England GIS Data
- exploit the Historic England GIS Data commercially for example by
combining it with other information or by including it in your own
product or application

2. You must always use the following attribution statements to
acknowledge the source of the information:

© Historic England [year]. Contains Ordnance Survey data © Crown
copyright and database right [year] The Historic England GIS Data
contained in this material was obtained on [date]. The most publicly
available up to date Historic England GIS Data can be obtained from
http://www.HistoricEngland.org.uk.

3. The same requirement for an attribution statement must be contained
in any sub-licences of the Historic England GIS Data that you grant,
together with a requirement that any further sub-licences do the same.

4. You must ensure that you do not use the Historic England GIS Data in
a way which suggests any official status or that Historic England has
endorsed you or your use of the Historic England GIS Data.

5. The Historic England GIS Data must not be used for purposes which may
lead to damage to archaeological sites, historic buildings and landscapes.

6. You must not mislead others or misrepresent the Historic England GIS
Data or its source.

7. This licence does not give you permission to use any Historic England
trade marks

[Talk-GB] OSM and Ramblers Don't Lose Your Way - further collaboration - meeting tomorrow 3pm

2020-07-30 Thread Nick Whitelegg 
Hello everyone,

As some of you may remember, at the GB1900 meeting a couple of years ago we 
discussed the possibility of a collaboration between OSM UK and the Ramblers' 
Don't Lose Your Way project, which aims to find historic rights of way by the 
2026 deadline of claiming them to add to the definitive map.

The possible candidates have now been identified as part of Don't Lose Your 
Way. OS mapping was used for this, but Jack Cornish from the Ramblers wants to 
talk about a possible collaboration with OSM for the next phase, which will 
involve examining the candidate paths for current use or whether it will be 
feasible to bring them back into use, which could also result in these 
candidate paths for reopening being added to OSM.

It's possible also that software to accomplish this aim will be discussed.

I have a meeting on Teams with him tomorrow (Friday) 15:00. Apologies for the 
short notice, but the link will be:

https://teams.microsoft.com/l/meetup-join/19%3ameeting_NTUxOTZlZjUtN2EzMC00ZGQ0LWI1MjQtODQzOWUxOTY4ZTQ4%40thread.v2/0?context=%7b%22Tid%22%3a%2236d868cc-59f3-4690-87df-34e0febdd571%22%2c%22Oid%22%3a%2289c8fa69-b88a-449d-b826-c3daad7b1d5a%22%7d

Thanks,
Nick


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