Re: [Talk-GB] Turn Restrictions at roundabouts
Could I suggest that, rather than second-guessing what some putative router might or might not do, people actually try these scenarios with one of the many real-world routers to see if they actually happen? I see an awful lot of "may" and "might" in this thread, together with a liberal sprinkling of unsourced assertions, but no actual evidence that any router has ever sent anyone round one of these roundabout flares. Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Solar tagging app
Hi folks, I got annoyed with tagging the number of modules in solar generators, so I put together a quick crowdsourcing app to collect this data: https://solartagger.ru.dev/ It's definitely a lot quicker than trying to do this in an editor! Once we have panel counts that multiple people have agreed on, I'll batch insert the data into OSM using a new account - I will update this list once that is happening. Cheers, -- Russ Garrett r...@garrett.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #532 2020-09-22-2020-09-28
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 532, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of things happening in the openstreetmap world: https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13803/ Enjoy! Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about how to write a post here: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm weeklyOSM? who: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages where?: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Turn Restrictions at roundabouts
Surely OpenStreetMAP is about creating a MAP? The clue is in the name. So you map what's on the ground: 1. Put the flares in the right place (often they are wildly out). 2. If there is a "No U-turn" sign you add it, otherwise you don't. Making a router work properly is a job for the person making the router, not the person making the MAP. Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Turn Restrictions at roundabouts
On 04/10/2020 07:42, Edward Bainton wrote: I've been marking them as false positives as to my mind it's obvious that you wouldn't U-turn there (but equally, it would be legal to do so). You would also probably need a vehicle with a tight turning circle, and a quiet road - so agree it would be an unusual choice. Agree false positives. But the points about machine routing make me think maybe I shouldn't be closing these off? Any thoughts? Your example looks like a very common roundabout flare 3-way node with a cycleway crossing node. Taking the JOSM code as an example, perhaps the "ImproveOSM" validation also has a segment length test (<20m?) so the crossing is suggesting a more complex junction? Eg, at node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/26187838 Personally, adding restrictions to this common a use-case should be unnecessary (fix once in the router, not every roundabout on the map). Save your effort for more complex junctions where software understandably needs a helping hand with real-world oddities. Happy Mapping, James -- James Derrick li...@jamesderrick.org, Cramlington, England I wouldn't be a volunteer if you paid me... https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/James%20Derrick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Turn Restrictions at roundabouts
I regularly get QA messages about this when I use the "ImproveOSM" in iD - just about every roundabout near me has at least one. I've been marking them as false positives as to my mind it's obvious that you wouldn't U-turn there (but equally, it would be legal to do so). But the points about machine routing make me think maybe I shouldn't be closing these off? Any thoughts? Eg, at node https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/26187838 Missing Turn Restriction Description 0 of 326 recorded trips (travelling west) make a turn from Bretton Gate to Bretton Gate at this node. There may be a missing "no_right_turn" restriction. On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 at 20:01, James Derrick wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Thanks for answering my original router logic question! :-) > > > On 03/10/2020 17:52, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: > > I've just tested in JOSM. It flagged no such validation warning. > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/3403352 > > Interesting - you're right, I couldn't easily reproduce the 'Sharp > Angle' validation warning in the latest JOSM either. > > After hunting out the code, the warning currently isn't triggered unless > the segment leading to a <45deg angle is <10m: > > https://josm.openstreetmap.de/browser/josm/trunk/src/org/openstreetmap/josm/data/validation/tests/SharpAngles.java > > Looking at a couple of local roundabouts via imagery, a flare this short > verges on a single node highway=mini_roundabout, unless lots of extra > nodes have been added to the flare to give a curved approach. > > After over a dozen years of using JOSM, it still surprises me with extra > features. > > Happy Mapping, > > > James > -- > James Derrick > li...@jamesderrick.org, Cramlington, England > I wouldn't be a volunteer if you paid me... > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/James%20Derrick > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
