Re: [Talk-GB] Idea - OSMUK walkers' map application -- -& server

[Seán Lynch]

Hi all,

As people enjoy their walk, we would love if you could consider uploading
any plastic / litter data into OpenLitterMap 

Right now the only way to add data is using our platform, but we will open
our API hopefully next year and allow uploads from other developers.


github.com/openlittermap

TeamLitterUK is currently in 1st place globally for uploading the most data

Litter mapping has a remarkably low barrier to entry, allowing for
potentially many more people to get involved with data collection and
mapping

Cheers,

Seán

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 15:05, Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB <
talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

>
> Hello Andy,
>
> Thanks for this.
>
> My own feeling regarding what server we need is "start small, to get it
> going" and then as soon as OSMUK can commit to funding (*if* they can, of
> course) and/or several people share the cost, then scale up. Hetzner's
> model is very flexible in this regard, for instance I started with an 8GB
> RAM VM before I found it wasn't quite adequate for my needs and upgraded
> the same VM to the 16GB version (and added some disc space, I think, too).
> For now I am willing to spend a small amount (below EUR/GBP 5) for a month
> or two to get things going if there's sufficient interest.
>
> I'd broadly agree to an extent about going the Mapnik route although I
> would prefer another person with more experience in the niceties of current
> Mapnik stylesheet development to do large-scale tweaks;  I would be happy
> to do *small*​ tweaks on such things as, for example, making designations
> appear in a similar style to Landranger which might be an idea for
> familiarity purposes. On the other hand, vector rendering would have some
> advantages for the aims of this project - an interactive map of the
> countryside in which POIs and paths can be clicked to add/retrieve
> information. I believe Tangram can do this quite easily; I have dabbled in
> Tangram and it's quite easy to setup a simple stylesheet though haven't
> tried it with anything complex. Tangram also has some nice things like
> being able to be rendered in both isometric and (via A-Frame components,
> https://aframe.io) even in 3D. I have to admit having a personal like for
> the vector approach,   it shifts more processing onto the client, good in a
> world where standard client hardware, desktop and mobile, is pretty
> powerful while powerful server hardware is expensive.
>
> I wouldn't personally be so fussed about things like minutely updates
> until it becomes a 'production' map, while in development mode I think the
> best approach is to keep it simple and cheap to run. In terms of my own
> projects I do quite rigorous filtering of the OSM data before populating
> the DB, to reject things mostly of interest to urban areas which only use
> up space and resources in a walking-oriented map. Another way of keeping
> initial costs down would be to concentrate on one or a few counties,
> ideally well-mapped ones with many ROWs, hills, water features etc.
>
> So I'd be quite happy - *if*​ there's interest - to setup a cheaper
> Hetzner server for now. If we want to go the mapnik route I'd be happy to
> do a basic setup there as well, as in, get mod_tile working and use your
> style unmodified. My main personal contribution to the project would be to
> work on the server- and client-side scripting necessary to develop an
> interactive POI map. We'd also of course need people with strong web design
> and UX skills - alas, mine are not so great!
>
> As for other points - things like https cert renewal seem easy with Let's
> Encrypt; have been using that succesfully for a while now.
>
> Nick
>
>
> *Nick Whitelegg*
> *Senior Lecturer in Computing (Internet)*  *|* School of Media Arts and
> Technology
> Southampton Solent University  *|* RM424 *|* East Park Terrace *|* Southampton
> SO14 0YN
> T: 023 8201 3075 *|* E: nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk *|* W: solent.ac.uk
> 
>
> Disclaimer 
> --
> *From:* Andy Townsend 
> *Sent:* 11 December 2020 13:40
> *To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org 
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Idea - OSMUK walkers' map application -- -&
> server
>
>
>
> On 11/12/2020 09:59, Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB wrote:
>
>
> In the early stages I think we could run it on cheap hosting hardware,
> like most projects in the OSM ecosystem. I suspect for a while usage would
> be light and limited to those in the OSM community. I use Hetzner for my
> hosting (OpenTrailView, Hikar, MapThePaths) - I pay around EUR 19/month but
> that is for a larger system that has to deal with the whole of Europe
> rather than just the UK.
>
>  https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=gb
>
> The second-lowest spec of these, the CPX11 is giving you 2GB RAM and 40GB
> disc space for EUR 4.19 a month. OK we'd need more than that long term, but
> I suspect that would get us going in the early 

Re: [Talk-GB] Newbie damage alert in West Midlands and London

[SK53]

DWG have reverted this changeset and set a user block
.

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 20:27, Steve Brook via Talk-GB <
talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> This user has just deleted Broadcasting House.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/95699320
> Can someone block him and revert all his work.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TL5100/history
> Most if not all of it is vandalism.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Russ Garrett [mailto:r...@garrett.co.uk]
> Sent: 09 December 2020 19:53
> To: Colin Smale
> Cc: Talk-GB
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Newbie damage alert in West Midlands
>
> Ah I ran into his work this afternoon by pure chance and reverted one
> of these changesets (95506246) and left a comment - no reply as yet.
> It looked like vandalism to me.
>
>
> Russ
>
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 19:51, Colin Smale  wrote:
> >
> > A new user, TL5100, is causing a bit of damage in the Midlands, deleting
> loads of things for no obvious reason. A couple of their changesets have
> comments to this effect already. Could someone have a word?
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TL5100/history#map=11/52.0822/-2.4818
> >
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Re: [Talk-GB] Newbie damage alert in West Midlands and London

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 12/11/20 21:25, Steve Brook via Talk-GB wrote:
> This user has just deleted Broadcasting House. 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/95699320 
> Can someone block him and revert all his work.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TL5100/history
> Most if not all of it is vandalism. 

Most edits had already been reverted by others, I've cleaned up the
rest, including undeletion of Broadcasting House and the Worcester AL8
boundary. I have issued a 24h block and requested more careful editing &
better changeset comments.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-GB] Newbie damage alert in West Midlands and London

[SK53]

In this sort of case it's best to report the user to DWG (there is a button
on the user page on osm.org).

Jerry

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 20:27, Steve Brook via Talk-GB <
talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> This user has just deleted Broadcasting House.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/95699320
> Can someone block him and revert all his work.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TL5100/history
> Most if not all of it is vandalism.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Russ Garrett [mailto:r...@garrett.co.uk]
> Sent: 09 December 2020 19:53
> To: Colin Smale
> Cc: Talk-GB
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Newbie damage alert in West Midlands
>
> Ah I ran into his work this afternoon by pure chance and reverted one
> of these changesets (95506246) and left a comment - no reply as yet.
> It looked like vandalism to me.
>
>
> Russ
>
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 19:51, Colin Smale  wrote:
> >
> > A new user, TL5100, is causing a bit of damage in the Midlands, deleting
> loads of things for no obvious reason. A couple of their changesets have
> comments to this effect already. Could someone have a word?
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TL5100/history#map=11/52.0822/-2.4818
> >
> >
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Re: [Talk-GB] Newbie damage alert in West Midlands and London

[Steve Brook via Talk-GB]

This user has just deleted Broadcasting House. 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/95699320 
Can someone block him and revert all his work.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TL5100/history
Most if not all of it is vandalism. 

-Original Message-
From: Russ Garrett [mailto:r...@garrett.co.uk] 
Sent: 09 December 2020 19:53
To: Colin Smale
Cc: Talk-GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Newbie damage alert in West Midlands

Ah I ran into his work this afternoon by pure chance and reverted one
of these changesets (95506246) and left a comment - no reply as yet.
It looked like vandalism to me.


Russ

On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 19:51, Colin Smale  wrote:
>
> A new user, TL5100, is causing a bit of damage in the Midlands, deleting 
> loads of things for no obvious reason. A couple of their changesets have 
> comments to this effect already. Could someone have a word?
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TL5100/history#map=11/52.0822/-2.4818
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Idea - OSMUK walkers' map application -- -& server

[Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB]

Hello Andy,

Thanks for this.

My own feeling regarding what server we need is "start small, to get it going" 
and then as soon as OSMUK can commit to funding (*if* they can, of course) 
and/or several people share the cost, then scale up. Hetzner's model is very 
flexible in this regard, for instance I started with an 8GB RAM VM before I 
found it wasn't quite adequate for my needs and upgraded the same VM to the 
16GB version (and added some disc space, I think, too). For now I am willing to 
spend a small amount (below EUR/GBP 5) for a month or two to get things going 
if there's sufficient interest.

I'd broadly agree to an extent about going the Mapnik route although I would 
prefer another person with more experience in the niceties of current Mapnik 
stylesheet development to do large-scale tweaks;  I would be happy to do small​ 
tweaks on such things as, for example, making designations appear in a similar 
style to Landranger which might be an idea for familiarity purposes. On the 
other hand, vector rendering would have some advantages for the aims of this 
project - an interactive map of the countryside in which POIs and paths can be 
clicked to add/retrieve information. I believe Tangram can do this quite 
easily; I have dabbled in Tangram and it's quite easy to setup a simple 
stylesheet though haven't tried it with anything complex. Tangram also has some 
nice things like being able to be rendered in both isometric and (via A-Frame 
components, https://aframe.io) even in 3D. I have to admit having a personal 
like for the vector approach,   it shifts more processing onto the client, good 
in a world where standard client hardware, desktop and mobile, is pretty 
powerful while powerful server hardware is expensive.

I wouldn't personally be so fussed about things like minutely updates until it 
becomes a 'production' map, while in development mode I think the best approach 
is to keep it simple and cheap to run. In terms of my own projects I do quite 
rigorous filtering of the OSM data before populating the DB, to reject things 
mostly of interest to urban areas which only use up space and resources in a 
walking-oriented map. Another way of keeping initial costs down would be to 
concentrate on one or a few counties, ideally well-mapped ones with many ROWs, 
hills, water features etc.

So I'd be quite happy - if​ there's interest - to setup a cheaper Hetzner 
server for now. If we want to go the mapnik route I'd be happy to do a basic 
setup there as well, as in, get mod_tile working and use your style unmodified. 
My main personal contribution to the project would be to work on the server- 
and client-side scripting necessary to develop an interactive POI map. We'd 
also of course need people with strong web design and UX skills - alas, mine 
are not so great!

As for other points - things like https cert renewal seem easy with Let's 
Encrypt; have been using that succesfully for a while now.

Nick



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Southampton Solent University  | RM424 | East Park Terrace | Southampton SO14 
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From: Andy Townsend 
Sent: 11 December 2020 13:40
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Idea - OSMUK walkers' map application -- -& server



On 11/12/2020 09:59, Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB wrote:

In the early stages I think we could run it on cheap hosting hardware, like 
most projects in the OSM ecosystem. I suspect for a while usage would be light 
and limited to those in the OSM community. I use Hetzner for my hosting 
(OpenTrailView, Hikar, MapThePaths) - I pay around EUR 19/month but that is for 
a larger system that has to deal with the whole of Europe rather than just the 
UK.

 https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=gb

The second-lowest spec of these, the CPX11 is giving you 2GB RAM and 40GB disc 
space for EUR 4.19 a month. OK we'd need more than that long term, but I 
suspect that would get us going in the early stages.


That'll depending on what you want the server to do, I think.  For an OSM Carto 
Map style with automatic updates and reasonable performance you'll probably 
need > 6Gb memory for the whole of the UK these days.  Maybe a CX31 at €11 per 
month (i.e. about the price of a couple of pints and a "substantial" pork pie 
for those in tier 2)?  https://map.atownsend.org.uk is a CX41 I believe, and 
renders Mapnik / Carto CSS map tiles that cover UK and Ireland.  It could 
probably include another "medium sized OSM country" in the same map style as 
well without too many problems.


On the question of "could we show feature X" (e.g. "cycleways with foot=yes" 
different to "cycleways with foot=no) the answer is technically yes, but you 
need to decide which 

Re: [Talk-GB] Idea - OSMUK walkers' map application -- -& server

[Andy Townsend]

On 11/12/2020 09:59, Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB wrote:



In the early stages I think we could run it on cheap hosting hardware, 
like most projects in the OSM ecosystem. I suspect for a while usage 
would be light and limited to those in the OSM community. I use 
Hetzner for my hosting (OpenTrailView, Hikar, MapThePaths) - I pay 
around EUR 19/month but that is for a larger system that has to deal 
with the whole of Europe rather than just the UK.


https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=gb 



The second-lowest spec of these, the CPX11 is giving you 2GB RAM and 
40GB disc space for EUR 4.19 a month. OK we'd need more than that long 
term, but I suspect that would get us going in the early stages.



That'll depending on what you want the server to do, I think. For an OSM 
Carto Map style with automatic updates and reasonable performance you'll 
probably need > 6Gb memory for the whole of the UK these days.  Maybe a 
CX31 at €11 per month (i.e. about the price of a couple of pints and a 
"substantial" pork pie for those in tier 2)?  
https://map.atownsend.org.uk is a CX41 I believe, and renders Mapnik / 
Carto CSS map tiles that cover UK and Ireland. It could probably include 
another "medium sized OSM country" in the same map style as well without 
too many problems.



On the question of "could we show feature X" (e.g. "cycleways with 
foot=yes" different to "cycleways with foot=no) the answer is 
technically yes, but you need to decide which subset of features you 
want to show because there simply aren't enough ways of visually 
distinguishing things that users can actually tell apart, especially 
when combined with other features.



As an example, have a look at the legend at 
https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=16=-24.98988=135.10862 
.  That shows:


 * designation (public footpath / bridleway / retricted byway / BOAT /
   UCR / none)
 * width - either "narrow" (not wide enough for a 4 wheeled vehicle) or
   "wide" (wide enough)
 * trail_visibility
 * some surface information (unclassified unpaved roads rendered
   differently to paved roads)
 * tunnel yes/no
 * long ford yes/no
 * bridge yes/no
 * embankment yes/no
 * long distance foot / bicycle / horse riding routes
 * access=destination and =private viewed from a pedestrian perspective

and of course combinations of the above.


It does not show:

 * explicit OSM keys (e.g. footway/cycleway/path/bridleway)
 * explicit OSM access tags (e.g. "foot=yes or no on a cycleway")
 * undesignated cycleways differently from other undesignated paths

In order to one of those (for example just "displaying cycleways as 
cycleways") you'd need to remove something else that's already rendered, 
otherwise users won't be able to tell features apart.



Assuming that people are planning to go down the mod_tile / Mapnik / 
Carto CSS route, I'd suggest:


1. decide what zoom levels you want, which will influence exactly which
   software to use
2. deciding where to start from (e.g OSM's Standard style, mine, or a
   different one altogether)
3. deciding exactly what you want to change
4. make those changes,
5. see what "unintended consequences" have occurred
6. fix those and iterate round until happy

Assuming you can deal a couple of hours overnight downtime while the 
database reloads I'd suggest doing most of the "deciding what to show as 
different things" work in lua and the "deciding what to show it as" in 
Carto CSS.  It's much easier to understand and to maintain.



With regard to the "boring bit" (scripts to load databases, keep 
databases up to date etc.) most of the stuff used by 
https://map.atownsend.org.uk is public (links to everything are at the 
top of the changelog).  Much of the rest (e.g. automatic https 
certificate renewal) is standard and is documented in 1000s of other 
places around the internet.  If anyone wants any help or advice with any 
of the above please just ask.



There may be a temptation to think "the end goal is a phone app , so 
actually we probably want to look at $some_other_technology instead".  I 
would strongly suggest following a well-trodden path first while so that 
the things that are new to whoever is doing this are have 
well-documented solutions.  I haven't yet found a vector tile stack that 
is (a) well documented and (b) free of vendor lock-in that could go on 
https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/ yet, for example.  Once whoever is 
doing this is familiar with things, trying something a bit more 
off-the-wall will be more likely to work without everything breaking.



The biggest requirement is for someone to actually commit to doing the 
work to set something up - nothing will happen without this.  If OSM UK 
are happy to fund a server, and for it to fit in their DNS somewhere 
then that's one less expense to worry about - but someone still needs to 
do the work.



Best Regards,


Andy




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[Talk-GB] Another milestone in solar panel mapping: over 300k OSM elements

[SK53]

We passed over 300k individual OSM elements mapped as solar panels
yesterday.

Since I last reported back in early October there have been some other
highlights:

   - Dan, Jack & Cos publication of the dataset already announced here.
   - Russ's tool for adding module counts, also mentioned on this list.


   - Orkney nearly at 60%, and lots added in Highland & Outer Hebrides
   (Russ)
   - Warwick first West Midlands district to reach 80% plus (Brian)
   - Jeremy Harris has made massive inroads in a short time along the Colne
   Valley (Chiltern (50%), Watford (120%) , Dacorum (50%) & Three Rivers
   (130%)), which provides another nucleus of well-mapped districts contiguous
   with Greater London. I've recently pushed both Hillingdon & Ealing to the
   90%+ mark to complement this (largely as a result of inadvertently seeing
   lots of solar in Northolt when looking for something else). In these areas
   the discrepancy between FIT installations & potential number of panels to
   be mapped is obviously higher than elsewhere, which I expect to be true
   across Greater London & better-off areas of the South-East.
   - It's also become noticeable that a line of better mapped districts is
   emerging from Peterborough towards Ipswich.
   - Doubling of districts with over 90% mapped (Watford, Three Rivers,
   South Northamptonshire, Bolsover, Amber Valley, Erewash, Ashfield,
   Mansfield, Bassetlaw, Knowsley & others). This now looks to be achievable
   anywhere with the newer imagery.
   - Now module count & direction are both around 55k elements (over 18% of
   total). This is a significant improvement & very much the focus of my own
   efforts. I'm finding measurement tools in Josm, Vespucci & iD can be very
   useful in determining module counts.

Dan can chip in with suggestions of areas to focus on, but I think Cornwall
remains a target as does conversion of nodes to areas on larger buildings &
ensuring these are actually on buildings. Otherwise it's pretty much carry
on as we are.

One thing I find I'm catching fairly frequently are rebuilt school, and to
a lesser extent, hospital sites. These may merit being revisited more
systematically in a future quarterly project.

Best wishes,

Jerry
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Re: [Talk-GB] Is "GB revert request log" wiki page something that should be recommended?

[Andy Townsend]

On 11/12/2020 10:17, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote:
It is about https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GB_revert_request_log 
 that appears

to be abandoned.

I believe that that was set up to deal with a particular 
"overenthusiastic / fantasy contributor" a few years ago.


Similar requests for community action these days tend to be made in IRC 
or on this list, or (to the DWG) via the usual direct methods (email or 
"report user").


Best Regards,

Andy



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[Talk-GB] Is "GB revert request log" wiki page something that should be recommended?

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB]

It is about https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GB_revert_request_log that 
appears
to be abandoned.

I was looking through 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Abuse and 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism
to improve them, and encountered

"It may be appropriate to set up a log of reversions. Within 
England/Wales/Scotland
please put requests on the GB revert request log 
."

Is it still true, or is it something that should be deleted?

Last edit is in 2012 so it seems clearly abandoned
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=GB_revert_request_log=history
and I removed this from Vandalism page
in 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Vandalism=2071209=2071207
edit.

Please let me know if it was a mistake and this recommendation should be 
restored.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Idea - OSMUK walkers' map application -- -& server

[Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB]

>Hi


Hello Tony,


>I like the idea.

>Can it be extended to be a UK based map which is has greater prominence to 
>aspects such as the >recent discussion about cyclists and paths?


Potentially, yes - I don't see why not.

I have to admit I personally haven't had much experience in recent years with 
creating mapnik stylesheets (I've been working with client-side renderers such 
as Kothic and have played with Tangram), hence my suggestion earlier of 
starting with Andy Townsend's style.


>Does anyone have an idea of how it could be made to happen - could we (OSM UK) 
>fund and >maintain it with commitment for say 2 years? Using volunteers or 
>donated equipment or personal >funding commitments? Do we know the size of 
>server required to support a given load? Can we >manage the required 
>operations and security?

In the early stages I think we could run it on cheap hosting hardware, like 
most projects in the OSM ecosystem. I suspect for a while usage would be light 
and limited to those in the OSM community. I use Hetzner for my hosting 
(OpenTrailView, Hikar, MapThePaths) - I pay around EUR 19/month but that is for 
a larger system that has to deal with the whole of Europe rather than just the 
UK.

 https://www.hetzner.com/cloud?country=gb

The second-lowest spec of these, the CPX11 is giving you 2GB RAM and 40GB disc 
space for EUR 4.19 a month. OK we'd need more than that long term, but I 
suspect that would get us going in the early stages.

I'm quite happy to create the server and pay the initial costs, but it would be 
good if funds could be found from OSMUK longer term if possible.

I'm also happy to do some dev work (client and server side). I can tweak the 
cartography and add contours (I have experience doing this) but I'll leave it 
up to others to do serious cartography work, and of course web design.

Or, we could even use client-side rendering, Tangram is pretty powerful, have 
had a play with it.

Would be a great project for the community to work on.

Nick



From: Tony Shield 
Sent: 10 December 2020 17:36
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Idea - OSMUK walkers' map application -- -& server


Hi

I like the idea.

Can it be extended to be a UK based map which is has greater prominence to 
aspects such as the recent discussion about cyclists and paths?


Does anyone have an idea of how it could be made to happen - could we (OSM UK) 
fund and maintain it with commitment for say 2 years? Using volunteers or 
donated equipment or personal funding commitments? Do we know the size of 
server required to support a given load? Can we manage the required operations 
and security?


Tony Shield - TonyS999




On 04/12/2020 15:40, Nick Whitelegg via Talk-GB wrote:
Hi,

Just floating an idea for a possible OSMUK site, namely an OSMUK 
'semi-official'  web application for walkers and hikers.

This could provide similar functionality to sites such as the Ramblers' 
Pathwatch 
(https://www.ramblers.org.uk/advice/pathwatch-report-path-features-and-problems.aspx)
 allowing users to report path problems as well as nice views, historical sites 
and so on. It could also provide info such as train or bus times (by clicking 
on a rail station), beers served (for a pub), routing via public transport to a 
given countryside location, and so on.

Reported path problems could be then made available via an API, which could be 
used by councils - and, given we have the council ROW data available to us via 
rowmaps.com  - the right of way reference could be sourced from this if it's 
not in OSM already.

For rendering, we could perhaps use Andy Townsend's SomeoneElse-style, maybe 
tweaked a little, as it appears to be the most actively maintained of all the 
England and Wales renderings. This could be setup on our own server, I seem to 
remember experimenting with this a couple of years ago when the OSMUK idea was 
first floated, on a server which had been loaned to the community (I need to 
re-check my emails, and indeed check if this server is still open for us to 
use!)

I've done similar things to this in the past on a small scale, e.g. Freemap 
(free-map.org.uk) once had the facility to add path problems, but now we have 
the OSMUK organisation in existence, maybe a semi-official OSMUK walkers' map 
with added functionality would have greater traction and it's something that 
could be launched as a project on GitHub?

Thanks,
Nick



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