Re: [Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days?
Tom Chance schrieb: > On 23 March 2010 13:20, Christoph Boehme wrote: > > > Well, I just updated the Birmingham scheme two days ago to accept > > naptan:verified=yes, because Andy asked for it. > > > > Perhaps it makes sense to reorganise the schemes to have only one > > basic scheme which displays verification status, CUS and > > notes/errors and a number of specialised schemes building on top of > > the basic one for information that is not available everywhere like > > route references, shelter information and asset references. > > > > > That sounds sensible. The basic scheme would presumably be enough for > generalist mappers like me to be sure we're tidying NAPTAN up, without > needing all the transport geek data I've never heard of? Yes, exactly. My current plan is to have four types of stops in the basic scheme: 1. Non-NaPTAN stops: Stops without naptan:*-tags. Basically plain old OSM bus stops. 2. Unverified NaPTAN stops: Stops from the NaPTAN import which have a naptan:verified=no tag or which are missing the highway=bus_stop tag. 3. Verified NaPTAN stops: Stops tagged as hightway=bus_stop and with either no naptan:verified tag or a naptan:verified=yes tag. 4. CUS-stops: Stops with naptan:BusStopType=CUS because they are not marked on the ground and cannot be verified. Extended schemes would be: 1. Stops with notes: Highlight stops with a note or naptan:error tag 2. Route information: Highlight stops which are missing the route_ref tag. 3. Shelter and asset refs: Highlight bus stops which have shelter=yes and no asset_ref or which have no shelter tag at all (this might be quite Birmingham specific). 4. Anything else? I suggest to keep the old schemes but rename them to the name of the public transport network they apply to (e.g. "Transport West Midlands" for Birmingham), since they are based on the amount of information that is available on the signs used by a particular network. Best, Christoph > Best, > Tom > > -- > http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-transit] NaPTAN - Time for the rest?
Tom Chance schrieb: > 2010/3/16 Christoph Böhme > > > Tom Chance schrieb: > > > I recall a tool developed for the west midlands showing the state > > > of the imported data, but can that be used nationwide? > > > > I reckon you are refering to NOVAM (http://mappa-mercia.org/novam)? > > The tool is working nationwide. However, the data it shows has not > > been updated since February, because the update process NOVAM uses > > is currently broken. I do not have much spare time at the moment > > but I will try to fix this at some point (hopefully soon). > > > > > Lovely, thanks for the link and best of luck with finding that > time :-) I found the time (or rather an easier solution to the problem): NOVAM now uses the XAPI servers to retrieve the bus stop data. So, it should be up-to-date again and hopefully in the future as well :-) > > The cycle map and regular chatter have seen coverage blossom. > > > Obviously bus stops aren't as interesting to fellow OSM nutters as > > > cycle routes; and the cycle map was an "early mover" and got onto > > > the front page of the main web site. But can't we make a bit more > > > of an effort to push this across the GB community? > > > > I have the feeling that one of the reasons for the relatively low > > interest in bus stops is that their use is quite limited without > > additional timetable information. > > > > I gave a talk on OSM to my local Tenants Association federation for > Southwark (a municipal area in London). They absolutely loved the > public transport map (www.öpnvkarte.de > <http://www.xn--pnvkarte-m4a.de>) which has the bus stops along with > bus/train/tube/DLR/tram routes. > > It's very similar to the cycle map, only most OSM mappers cycle > everywhere whilst few find the public transport particularly useful. > So limited to us, perhaps. Later this year if I get some time and I'm > not elected in the local elections I intend to spend some more time > with tenants helping them to put the data in since they find it handy. Public transport maps are of course very useful! However, I was more thinking in terms of developing other applications which use public transport data. Things like public transport routing or a map which highlights bus stops where a bus is due to arrive soon, for example. Most applications that come to my mind would require timetable information. Best, Christoph > Best, > Tom > > > -- > http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-transit] NaPTAN - Time for the rest?
Tom Chance schrieb: > I recall a tool developed for the west midlands showing the state of > the imported data, but can that be used nationwide? I reckon you are refering to NOVAM (http://mappa-mercia.org/novam)? The tool is working nationwide. However, the data it shows has not been updated since February, because the update process NOVAM uses is currently broken. I do not have much spare time at the moment but I will try to fix this at some point (hopefully soon). > The cycle map and regular chatter have seen coverage blossom. > Obviously bus stops aren't as interesting to fellow OSM nutters as > cycle routes; and the cycle map was an "early mover" and got onto the > front page of the main web site. But can't we make a bit more of an > effort to push this across the GB community? I have the feeling that one of the reasons for the relatively low interest in bus stops is that their use is quite limited without additional timetable information. Best, Christoph > After cars and walking, public transport is the most used means of > getting around ths country so I'd say it should be a fairly high > priority to get that data right. > Best wishes, > Tom > > -- > http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NAPTAN pay_scale_area
Chris Hill schrieb:
> David Earl wrote:
> > I notice that we now have this area
> >name = Cambridge
> >public_transport = pay_scale_area
> >ref = CAMBDGE
> >source = naptan_import
> > which looks like it delimits the area within which the Cambridge
> > megarider bus tickets are valid ("Pay scale area" is not a term in
> > public parlance).
> >
> > Problem is, this renders sometimes (e.g. in Walking Papers which is
> > using a cloudmade style sheet I think) as a whole load of
> > "Cambridge" names on the boundary. This is highly misleading: it
> > bears no relation to the city of Cambridge, and because there is no
> > line rendered, it looks like they look like place names.
> >
> > I wonder whether name is the appropriate tag in this case, and if
> > you think it is whether it shouldn't say "Cambridge Megarider
> > Boundary" or some such.
> >
> +1
> > Certainly I think it should specifically not be rendered except on
> > a public transport speciality map. I'm not sure about the standard
> > Mapnik
> > - I can see some part labels arising from this and I don't know
> > whether it is because it hasn't rendered yet, or is being taken out.
> >
> +1
>
> I think the pay_scale_area polygons seem very approximate too, anyone
> know how they came about?
I imported them from the NPTG (Naptan Public Transport Gazetteer) a
while ago. This was discussed on the transit mailing list. The area
includes all bus stops which are part of a plusbus zone (which is a
ticket that allows to take a bus after a train journey, I think). The
original idea of placing all these bus stop in a relation did not work
out as there are too many bus stops.
The mapnik style seem to have a rule that renders every name-tag even
if it does not know the object as it is described by the other tags.
Christoph
> > David
> >
> >
> Cheers, Chris
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Uk Missing Major Roads.
Peter Childs schrieb: > (Does the Village on the map between Meopham, Sole Street, A2 and > Southfleet and Sole Street have a name?) I recently created a map overlay with localities from the National Public Transport Gazetteer (part of the NaPTAN import). The NPTG data should have the name of the village. You can find the overlay on: http://www.mappa-mercia.org/nptg-viewer/ Hope that helps! Christoph ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Red Routes
Hi, Shaun McDonald schrieb: > On 29 Jul 2009, at 16:26, Brian Prangle wrote: > > > Finally decided to map red routes after avoiding it for over a > > year (red routes are sprouting up rapidly in South Birmingham > > despite fierce oppostion from local traders - they're "no stopping" > > routes which are rigidly enforced). There's not much to guide me as > > a mapper following a quick search in the usual places - so can the > > community offer some thoughts so we can get a consensus and a > > common approach for those few of us who have to contend with them? > > The following initial offering is from our local tagging guru Andy > > Robinson (who else?) > > > > If it's a red route I'd suggest red_route=yes on it since the > > regulations > > applicable to a red route don't fit easily into any one category. > > However > > since there aren't many places with Red Routes yet (only London > > [1] and West > > Mids [2] in the UK?) we could have a stab with the London folks on > > how they > > should be mapped better than this. Bus lanes could very much fall > > into the > > thoughts as well as Urban Clearways. > > Edinburgh had decided to be different and call these roads > greenways. (I think the idea was to have a positive spin on the fact > that "green" transport can use it rather than it being a place that > you can't go by denoting them red.) > http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/CEC/CityDevelopment/TransportandTravel/Parking/GreenwaysandBusLanes/Greenways_And_Bus_Lanes.html In Germany it is relatively common to have bus lanes which also allow taxis and cyclists to travel on them. Green Routes seem to be a very similar concept. So perhaps it makes sense to build a tagging scheme based on bus lanes as busses seem to be the main reason for the introduction of the lanes and add additional allowed vecicles. I do not know if Green Routes is just another name for Red Routes. The Red Routes seem to put a much greater emphasis on the fact that you are not allowed to stop there. Christoph > Shaun > > > > > These are all some sort of "restriction" so maybe that tagging > > approach > > should be considered. > > > > For times, the start / end type tags should be good enough, though > > it gets > > more complicated if you have to also add a tag that stats which > > days it > > applies to and when there is more than one time period of > > operation in a > > given day. For example the Stratford Road Red Route operates > > M-S 7am-7pm > > > > [1] http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/finesandregulations/949.aspx > > [2] http://www.westmidlandsltp.gov.uk/redroutes.php?id=2493 > > > > Bus Lanes are yet another headache! > > > > Regards > > > > Brian > > ___ > > Talk-GB mailing list > > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham Apostrophes
And now someone has written a song about it: http://www.birminghampost.net/news/west-midlands-news/2009/02/06/birmingham-apostrophe-row-inspires-us-songwriter-65233-22872836/ Christoph "Tim Waters (chippy)" schrieb: > was also in the Guardian and the Times > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5614962.ece > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
