Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Meeting at Nuneaton - 5th Aug
I can't make it today -- my PhD needs me. Hope you have a good time. Cheers, Christoph On 29/07/2010 18:07, Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: Iain, would be great to see you next Thursday if you can make it. During the summer we normally do a spot of mapping individually first before meeting up at around 8:00pm for food and a pint or two. If you want to come along before 8 and get acquainted with the process on the ground then perhaps one of the others would be happy to meet up with you a little earlier. Thus I've copied this email to the west mids mailing list. Can anyone who's going meet Iain before 8pm? Details of meet location and the area being mapped are always on our wiki page here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia . Looks like The Felix Holt will be were we will congregate after a spot of mapping. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Iain Simpson [mailto:i...@highersystems.co.uk] Sent: 29 July 2010 5:59 PM To: blackadder...@gmail.com Subject: Meeting at Nuneaton - 5th Aug Hi I've just started with OSM in Stafford (iain1940) having been introduced to it by Russ Phillips (Staffslug). I was thinking about coming to Nuneaton on Thursday to meet people and learn things (!). I can get there by train reasonably easily. Can you confirm meeting times and place. thanks Iain Simpson No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3035 - Release Date: 07/28/10 18:38:00 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bus route changes
Another change of bus routes in Birmingham. This time on Broad Street after 8pm at weekends: http://www.birminghampost.net/news/west-midlands-transport-news/2010/03/31/birmingham-s-broad-street-buses-to-be-axed-over-traffic-jams-65233-26143325/ Cheers, Christoph ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days?
On 24/03/2010 08:57, Tom Chance wrote: That makes sense. So if a bus stop has one or more relations added, should it be counted as equivalent to a route_ref tag in the colour scheme, i.e. not marked as needing a route_ref tag? Yes, that would be good. However, this would require a bit of work since Novam is not aware of relations at all at the moment. If someone wants to start working on this the source code is available on [1]. Best, Christoph [1] https://kofje.de/repos/naptan/novam/branches/xapi-backend/ You could also check if there are relations matching up to route_ref entries for areas where they were put in. Tom On 24 March 2010 08:13, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: The route ref is an interim data level until the relations are added. Think of it as house numbers being initially added as points, and then full building outlines being added at a later stage at which point the building number gets transferred to the building outline. Shaun On 24 Mar 2010, at 07:58, Tom Chance wrote: That all sounds good, though if we add stops to route relations do they really need route_ref? Tom On Mar 23, 2010 10:26 PM, Christoph Böhme christ...@b3e.net wrote: Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net schrieb: On 23 March 2010 13:20, Christoph Boehme christ...@b3e.net wrote: Well, I just updated t... Yes, exactly. My current plan is to have four types of stops in the basic scheme: 1. Non-NaPTAN stops: Stops without naptan:*-tags. Basically plain old OSM bus stops. 2. Unverified NaPTAN stops: Stops from the NaPTAN import which have a naptan:verified=no tag or which are missing the highway=bus_stop tag. 3. Verified NaPTAN stops: Stops tagged as hightway=bus_stop and with either no naptan:verified tag or a naptan:verified=yes tag. 4. CUS-stops: Stops with naptan:BusStopType=CUS because they are not marked on the ground and cannot be verified. Extended schemes would be: 1. Stops with notes: Highlight stops with a note or naptan:error tag 2. Route information: Highlight stops which are missing the route_ref tag. 3. Shelter and asset refs: Highlight bus stops which have shelter=yes and no asset_ref or which have no shelter tag at all (this might be quite Birmingham specific). 4. Anything else? I suggest to keep the old schemes but rename them to the name of the public transport network they apply to (e.g. Transport West Midlands for Birmingham), since they are based on the amount of information that is available on the signs used by a particular network. Best, Christoph Best, Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days?
I hope the load is not due to Novam using the server now. Novam is displaying the value of xapi:planetDate below the map key to give an indication of the age of the data. Perhaps the attribute could be amended with a full timestamp of the last update? Cheers Christoph On 23/03/2010 11:49, 80n wrote: Tom That instance of XAPI is lagging a bit due to recent heavy load. Its currently at 2010-03-22T15:52:02Z Your changeset is about three hours after that time so it should come through later today. 80n On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: Hello there, I had a look at the NOVAM tool for bus stops to check my area: http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/?scheme=hullzoom=15lat=51.46602lon=-0.07598layers=BT I then updated a load of bus stops, most of which I just needed to delete the 'naptan:verified' tag from: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4205203 But days later NOVAM still shows them as needing correcting, and if I download the area in XAPI lo-and-behold they seem unchanged: http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node[highway=bus_stop][bbox=-0.08537,51.45112,-0.05885,51.4754]http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node%5Bhighway=bus_stop%5D%5Bbbox=-0.08537,51.45112,-0.05885,51.4754%5D Isn't XAPI meant to only lag ten or so minutes behind the API? Tom -- http://tom.acrewoods.net http://twitter.com/tom_chance ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days?
Tom, If you wish I can change the Hull scheme to mark stops with naptan:verified=yes as completed as well. Cheers, Christoph On 23/03/2010 09:38, Tom Chance wrote: Hello there, I had a look at the NOVAM tool for bus stops to check my area: http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/?scheme=hullzoom=15lat=51.46602lon=-0.07598layers=BT I then updated a load of bus stops, most of which I just needed to delete the 'naptan:verified' tag from: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4205203 But days later NOVAM still shows them as needing correcting, and if I download the area in XAPI lo-and-behold they seem unchanged: http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node[highway=bus_stop][bbox=-0.08537,51.45112,-0.05885,51.4754] Isn't XAPI meant to only lag ten or so minutes behind the API? Tom ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] XAPI lagging behind by days?
Well, I just updated the Birmingham scheme two days ago to accept naptan:verified=yes, because Andy asked for it. Perhaps it makes sense to reorganise the schemes to have only one basic scheme which displays verification status, CUS and notes/errors and a number of specialised schemes building on top of the basic one for information that is not available everywhere like route references, shelter information and asset references. Christoph On 23/03/2010 12:59, Tom Chance wrote: Oh, well, I don't mind really. I've just assumed that the tag should be deleted as the Birmingham scheme also shows them needing work. It is a bit confusing having the three colour schemes when I'm aiming to fix the data up to a canonical OSM standard. Tom On 23 March 2010 12:16, Christoph Boehme christ...@b3e.net wrote: Tom, If you wish I can change the Hull scheme to mark stops with naptan:verified=yes as completed as well. Cheers, Christoph On 23/03/2010 09:38, Tom Chance wrote: Hello there, I had a look at the NOVAM tool for bus stops to check my area: http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/?scheme=hullzoom=15lat=51.46602lon=-0.07598layers=BT I then updated a load of bus stops, most of which I just needed to delete the 'naptan:verified' tag from: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4205203 But days later NOVAM still shows them as needing correcting, and if I download the area in XAPI lo-and-behold they seem unchanged: http://xapi.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/node[highway=bus_stop][bbox=-0.08537,51.45112,-0.05885,51.4754] Isn't XAPI meant to only lag ten or so minutes behind the API? Tom ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NOVAM viewer
Robert Naylor wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:27:16 +0100, Brian Prangle bpran...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi everyone Shelter = yes/no I think is essential to leave in as a requirement as to whether a bus stop is completley surveyed or not. For two reasons: indication of a shelter is a representation of what's present on the ground and it's a pretty siginificant presence ( after all we tag and map smaller things like post boxes and park benches!); and it's also useful for bus passengers to know whether they're going to get wet or not when waiting for a bus ( for when we can eventually actually render this on maps) How about adding an option to set wheelchair=yes to mark the new higher kerbs that are suddenly appearing everywhere (at least round here anyway) http://www.flickr.com/photos/pobice/3925707792/ I would prefer to call it something like barrierfree=yes as it is not only helpful for wheelchair users. Cheers, Christoph ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NOVAM viewer
Robert Naylor wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:58:15 +0100, Christoph Boehme christ...@b3e.net wrote: Robert Naylor wrote: How about adding an option to set wheelchair=yes to mark the new higher kerbs that are suddenly appearing everywhere (at least round here anyway) http://www.flickr.com/photos/pobice/3925707792/ I would prefer to call it something like barrierfree=yes as it is not only helpful for wheelchair users. Maybe just raised_kerb=yes or kerb=raised as I'm not sure if its just me but barrierfree doesn't really suggest wheelchair/buggy/what ever accessible. kerb=raised is a good idea (which could be combined with kerb=lowered for pedestrian crossings) as the bus stop only becomes accessible (for wheelchair users) if it is served by a low-floor bus. In fact it sounds more like tagging that there isn't a barrier=fence or something in between the bus and the bus stop. That because I should have consulted a dictionary instead of translating the german barrierefrei to english literally. Then I would have noticed that what I meant is accessible and that barrier-free is not widely used (according to wikipedia [1]). Cheers, Christoph [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier-free ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NOVAM viewer
Thomas Wood wrote: 2009/9/16 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Christoph Boehme christ...@b3e.net wrote: Robert Naylor wrote: On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:27:16 +0100, Brian Prangle bpran...@googlemail.com wrote: snip How about adding an option to set wheelchair=yes to mark the new higher kerbs that are suddenly appearing everywhere (at least round here anyway) http://www.flickr.com/photos/pobice/3925707792/ I would prefer to call it something like barrierfree=yes as it is not only helpful for wheelchair users. I don't see a barrier elsewhere. Let's mark what's physically there instead of the implications of the impact of not having whatever is being mapped. So if there's a raised kerb at the bus stop, mark that there is a raised kerb. kerb=raised? Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb I have a feeling this is what the germans may call a highway=platform Well we do but only at a bus station and not a single bus stop. However, it would describe the thing quite well, I think. Christoph (Anyone feel a massive pt scheme tagging discussion coming on?) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NOVAM viewer
Peter Miller wrote: On 15 Sep 2009, at 08:27, Brian Prangle wrote: Hi everyone Shelter = yes/no I think is essential to leave in as a requirement as to whether a bus stop is completley surveyed or not. For two reasons: indication of a shelter is a representation of what's present on the ground and it's a pretty siginificant presence ( after all we tag and map smaller things like post boxes and park benches!); and it's also useful for bus passengers to know whether they're going to get wet or not when waiting for a bus ( for when we can eventually actually render this on maps) So we can have bench=yes;bin=yes;lamp_post=yes on the same node if there are these other items attached to it. Personally I would prefer bus_stop=shelter/pole/customary/etc/etc to I really like this idea. It would also allow us to get rid of physically_present=yes/no. Christoph shelter=yes/no as it allows much greater richness and gives us a place to identify as stop as customary easily. It also fits with the pattern 'key=x' and the 'x=' with more details of the feature Regards, Peter Regards Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monthly social and some micro mapping
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: 7-8 mapping then into the pub? Yes, that sounds good. Shall we meet at the pub (outside, of course :-D) before to split the cake? I note you didn’t colour the cemetery, nobody at home there? I'm not aware of any tagging scheme for graves yet, but feel free to add the addresses there, too. I'm sure genealogists will love it. PS. Brian is away next week so we need to work extra hard. -Original Message- From: talk-gb-westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Christoph Böhme Sent: 29 April 2009 10:04 PM To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Monthly social and some micro mapping Hi everyone next week it is time again for the monthly MUG social and I thought perhaps we could combine it with some mapping to earn our pints. The city centre looks already very good but one thing that is completely missing are housenumbers. So, my idea is that we choose a different pub every month and collect the housenumbers in the streets around it before we settle there for some beer food. By the end of the summer we might then have address information for the whole area within the inner ring road. What do you think about this? Cheers, Christoph PS: I made a small cake for the area around the Queens Arms: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Birmingham-may-cake.png ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
