Re: [Talk-GB] skobbler OSM bug backchannel
D'oh - ABOVE JOSM obviously. Sorry for the spam!
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[mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Im Auftrag von Marcus Thielking
Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Mai 2010 12:33
An: Steve Chilton; Richard Fairhurst; talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)
Betreff: Re: [Talk-GB] skobbler OSM bug backchannel
Lol... That's why we placed the bug-edit link to Potlatch ABOVE the link to
potlatch on any bug detail page ;)
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[mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Im Auftrag von Steve Chilton
Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Mai 2010 23:20
An: Richard Fairhurst; talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)
Betreff: Re: [Talk-GB] skobbler OSM bug backchannel
As a 'cool kid' - now that is a laugh! - I second the UK-Potlatch co-relation
...
steve8
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From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org on behalf of Richard Fairhurst
Sent: Fri 14/05/2010 18:58
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Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] skobbler OSM bug backchannel
Marcus Thielking wrote:
> It would be much appreciated if some of you could have a
> look at www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs and tell us what
> should be changed
Couple of thoughts:
It would be good if you were to open up your 'getbugs' API. Editors
could then talk directly to this.
If you were to add '&highlight=1' at the end of the Potlatch URL, I
could look at adding a little marker of some description. At present you
have to guess where the centre of the viewport is. (Other suggestions
for betetr visualisation welcome!)
+1 on RSS feeds.
> OpenStreetBugs has a plugin for JOSM (the most popular OSM editor)
I can tell you guys come from Germany. All the cool kids in Britain use
Potlatch. ;)
cheers
Richard
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Re: [Talk-GB] skobbler OSM bug backchannel
Lol... That's why we placed the bug-edit link to Potlatch ABOVE the link to
potlatch on any bug detail page ;)
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org
[mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Im Auftrag von Steve Chilton
Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Mai 2010 23:20
An: Richard Fairhurst; talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)
Betreff: Re: [Talk-GB] skobbler OSM bug backchannel
As a 'cool kid' - now that is a laugh! - I second the UK-Potlatch co-relation
...
steve8
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From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org on behalf of Richard Fairhurst
Sent: Fri 14/05/2010 18:58
To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)
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Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] skobbler OSM bug backchannel
Marcus Thielking wrote:
> It would be much appreciated if some of you could have a
> look at www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs and tell us what
> should be changed
Couple of thoughts:
It would be good if you were to open up your 'getbugs' API. Editors
could then talk directly to this.
If you were to add '&highlight=1' at the end of the Potlatch URL, I
could look at adding a little marker of some description. At present you
have to guess where the centre of the viewport is. (Other suggestions
for betetr visualisation welcome!)
+1 on RSS feeds.
> OpenStreetBugs has a plugin for JOSM (the most popular OSM editor)
I can tell you guys come from Germany. All the cool kids in Britain use
Potlatch. ;)
cheers
Richard
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Re: [Talk-GB] skobbler OSM bug backchannel
Hi Kai, thanks for your elaborate feedback. It's much appreciated. We tried to remedy your first issue by including a "smart tracking extract" which shows the advised vs. the actual route. This should help tracking down where the actual error is located. I also like the auditory idea. We'll think about it. Concerning the wording: We try to convey the notion that you can a) report it to an active community and b) even start fixing things yourself - if you buy into the concept. b) really is a step after a) imo. People need to understand what OSM really is before they dig deeper - I know it's a bit general, but I don't think any other way would work. Otherwise, I'm with you on that topic. Best, Marcus -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Kai Krueger [mailto:kakrue...@gmail.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Mai 2010 14:26 An: Marcus Thielking Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-GB] skobbler OSM bug backchannel Hi, I think the bugs page is quite nicely done and has made some good improvements over the first version. :-) Some of my thoughts about it. One of the problems I think with some of the bug reports are, that they aren't necessarily reported at the place where they actually occur. To some degree this is quite understandable. If you are driving along and are focusing on road safety, you don't really have the capacity to enter a bug report into your phone. Particularly not, if your satnav just sent you the wrong way and you need to reconsider the situation. So probably you are going to enter it much later when you do have time (unless you have a passenger to enter the text). I don't really have a solution to this, but one possibility that may be worth considering is to use an auditory entry system. At least in calm situation it is probably possible to press the bug button and then enter a note via talking. Not sure though how that would integrate into the rest of the system. The other aspect I'd like to mention is one of phrasing to your users. In some of the descriptions about Skobbler, it sometimes sounds a bit too much that simply reporting the error will fix it. It might be nice if the wording could emphasis a bit more that the best way of getting the bug fixed is by actually fixing it your self rather than "simply" reporting it, as otherwise it may take an arbitrary amount of time till some OSMer gets to it. It is a tricky one though, as I suspect most of skobblers users just want a satnav and don't necessarily care about OSM, so over emphasizing it might not be that helpful either. It also appears like Skobbler has been successful in Germany in recruiting a reasonable number of new people to OSM. So hopefully that will be the case in the UK too. Anyway, it is great to see an increasing number of people and applications actually using OSM data, as that is imho one of the best ways to help with quality assurance and spread the word of OSM. Kai On 01/-10/-28163 08:59 PM, Marcus Thielking wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm one of the founders of skobbler. We have included a map bug report > backchannel into the OSM-based iPhone navigation app that was just released > in the UK/Ireland (this is not a sales pitch!). We really try to make this > backchannel meaningful. It has been inspired by the well-established > Openstreetbugs page. > > skobbler users can report errors that they have experience while navigating > with skobbler from within the app. These reports are then displayed on our > webpage with the intention to offer mappers a source of valid information on > where to look for map improvements. > > It would be much appreciated if some of you could have a look at > www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs and tell us what should be changed in order to > make it more accessible for you. > > Each little icon on the map symbolizes/localizes a bug report by a skobbler > user. When clicking on the respective unique "sko-x" number of the > report, you can also find the respective user's advised and actual route > within a small radius around the error report on a bug detail page (if (s)he > was in navigation mode). The deviation between the two should provide > additional info on where the actual error in the map is located. Here's an > example: http://www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs/detail/sko-22995 > > Any feedback is welcome. Please help us to make this a source of good OSM > information to support the OSM improvement in the UK and Ireland. > > Cheers, > Marcus > > > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] skobbler OSM bug backchannel
We've included your suggestion into our roadmap. A proper GeoRSS feed should be implemented no later than end of June. Marcus -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Tom Hughes [mailto:t...@compton.nu] Gesendet: Freitag, 14. Mai 2010 15:07 An: Marcus Thielking Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: skobbler OSM bug backchannel On 14/05/10 13:53, Marcus Thielking wrote: > It would be much appreciated if some of you could have a look at > www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs and tell us what should be changed in order to > make it more accessible for you. Well an obvious enhancement would be to allow people to subscribe to an RSS feed for a particular area. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] skobbler OSM bug backchannel
Hi guys, I'm one of the founders of skobbler. We have included a map bug report backchannel into the OSM-based iPhone navigation app that was just released in the UK/Ireland (this is not a sales pitch!). We really try to make this backchannel meaningful. It has been inspired by the well-established Openstreetbugs page. skobbler users can report errors that they have experience while navigating with skobbler from within the app. These reports are then displayed on our webpage with the intention to offer mappers a source of valid information on where to look for map improvements. It would be much appreciated if some of you could have a look at www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs and tell us what should be changed in order to make it more accessible for you. Each little icon on the map symbolizes/localizes a bug report by a skobbler user. When clicking on the respective unique "sko-x" number of the report, you can also find the respective user's advised and actual route within a small radius around the error report on a bug detail page (if (s)he was in navigation mode). The deviation between the two should provide additional info on where the actual error in the map is located. Here's an example: http://www.skobbler.co.uk/osmbugs/detail/sko-22995 Any feedback is welcome. Please help us to make this a source of good OSM information to support the OSM improvement in the UK and Ireland. Cheers, Marcus ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
