Re: [Talk-GB] Abbreviations in OSM and schools
On 18/01/16 06:50, Marc Gemis wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Lester Caine wrote: On 17/01/16 20:42, Ed Loach wrote: So, should we be using the full school name or abbreviating 'church of england voluntary aided' to CEVA as they do on the school pullovers? Similar questions for other variations - I've seen CE, CoE, C of E for example. I've been changing them to match what is listed on edubase for the main name, and retaining an alt_name sometimes. Isn't this a "mechanical" edit ? Shouldn't we list what is on the ground, .i.e. the name that can be found on the entrance in the name field ? I would put CEVA in short_name. just my .5 cents +1 -- Cheers, Chris (chillly) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Abbreviations in OSM and schools
I don't think we should worry about getting a standard for this. I think our main task is to extend the data and clean it up as far as we can. Then we can use the name anomalies to try and get the relevant community (i.e the schools themselves) to add the correct name - which will be the one THEY prefer from all the official variants Regards Brian On 17 January 2016 at 20:42, Ed Loach wrote: > So, should we be using the full school name or abbreviating 'church of > england voluntary aided' to CEVA as they do on the school pullovers? > Similar questions for other variations - I've seen CE, CoE, C of E for > example. > > I've been leaving existing names in the main (occasionally adding VC or > VA) in the hope these are from surveys and are what are on the sign, but > some names are sourced from fhrs or even os opendata. Is the DfE name > better in these cases? > > Ed > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Abbreviations in OSM and schools
On 18/01/16 08:12, Dan S wrote: >> Isn't this a "mechanical" edit ? Shouldn't we list what is on the >> > ground, .i.e. the name that can be found on the entrance in the name >> > field ? >> > I would put CEVA in short_name. > There is also "official_name" which I think would be useful for the > full, qualified, too-long-for-a-sign name that Ed is asking about: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names This is not just a 'school' problem,although there is a better chance that there IS only one sign. Villages using different spellings for their names, and having yet more variations on the signs on entrances to the village, along with their Parish Council using yet another 'title' for their local name over the parliamentary listing :) Yes a closer inspection of sign-age should be part of the longer term development, but there is often sufficient material on the relevant school website to pick up most variations. That the Parish Council will list the school with their own personal slant is also no uncommon ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Abbreviations in OSM and schools
2016-01-18 6:50 GMT+00:00 Marc Gemis : > On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Lester Caine wrote: >> On 17/01/16 20:42, Ed Loach wrote: >>> So, should we be using the full school name or abbreviating 'church of >>> england voluntary aided' to CEVA as they do on the school pullovers? >>> Similar questions for other variations - I've seen CE, CoE, C of E for >>> example. >> >> I've been changing them to match what is listed on edubase for the main >> name, and retaining an alt_name sometimes. > > Isn't this a "mechanical" edit ? Shouldn't we list what is on the > ground, .i.e. the name that can be found on the entrance in the name > field ? > I would put CEVA in short_name. There is also "official_name" which I think would be useful for the full, qualified, too-long-for-a-sign name that Ed is asking about: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Names Best Dan ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Abbreviations in OSM and schools
On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:57 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > On 17/01/16 20:42, Ed Loach wrote: >> So, should we be using the full school name or abbreviating 'church of >> england voluntary aided' to CEVA as they do on the school pullovers? >> Similar questions for other variations - I've seen CE, CoE, C of E for >> example. > > I've been changing them to match what is listed on edubase for the main > name, and retaining an alt_name sometimes. Isn't this a "mechanical" edit ? Shouldn't we list what is on the ground, .i.e. the name that can be found on the entrance in the name field ? I would put CEVA in short_name. just my .5 cents regards m ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Abbreviations in OSM and schools
On 17/01/16 20:42, Ed Loach wrote: > So, should we be using the full school name or abbreviating 'church of > england voluntary aided' to CEVA as they do on the school pullovers? > Similar questions for other variations - I've seen CE, CoE, C of E for > example. I've been changing them to match what is listed on edubase for the main name, and retaining an alt_name sometimes. > I've been leaving existing names in the main (occasionally adding VC or > VA) in the hope these are from surveys and are what are on the sign, but > some names are sourced from fhrs or even os opendata. Is the DfE name > better in these cases? The one thing I've been adding is the schools website where available. That often uses a different name to either of the format used on edubase or originally, so just what is right? Since the edubase name equates to the 'registered' name that should be taken as official, and many of the missing schools simply have a large discrepancy in names, but which any human would understand as matching ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Abbreviations in OSM and schools
So, should we be using the full school name or abbreviating 'church of england voluntary aided' to CEVA as they do on the school pullovers? Similar questions for other variations - I've seen CE, CoE, C of E for example. I've been leaving existing names in the main (occasionally adding VC or VA) in the hope these are from surveys and are what are on the sign, but some names are sourced from fhrs or even os opendata. Is the DfE name better in these cases? Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
