Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
David Earl wrote: Sent: 18 March 2009 10:43 AM To: Ed Loach Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging On 18/03/2009 10:36, Ed Loach wrote: Hi Does anyone have suggestions on how best to tag breweries ... one in Bury St Edmunds is tagged landuse=industrial (with a visitor centre attraction). That was me. It really is a factory, so I felt industrial was appropriate. Is there something special about beer (in geographical terms) - for example, would there need to be a special designation for a factory making stockings or a printing works? In that sense it's a bit like shop=... We could either say what kind of factory something is, or just group them all under one heading, but I don't really see that modern brewing has something about it that makes is individually special over any other industrial process. yeah, the tags landuse=industrial and industrial=brewing works for me Cheers Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
one in Bury St Edmunds is tagged landuse=industrial (with a visitor centre attraction). That was me. It really is a factory, so I felt industrial was appropriate. No, I agree. I've seen the place and it is very industrial. But landuse to me seems more appropriate for areas, so not much help with me just tagging a node (Farmers Brewery is essentially a microbrewery with capacity for I believe 8 barrels which was dictated by door width and ceiling height limiting what vessels they could get into the space available which is part of some out buildings for the adjacent hotel). For tagging the node I considered * building=brewery (Map Features says area only though original proposal also mentions node) * shop=brewery (they do also have a shop for bottled beers adjacent to the brewery) * amenity=brewery (as I picked pub in JOSM and manually changed pub to brewery, which is how it is currently tagged) * man_made=brewery (though it wasn't originally made to be a brewery) and so on. There is one standalone brewery (Harwich) in the Essex district I live in and tend to map, and I've not tagged it yet. There are also a couple of pubs which contain microbreweries, but they're only tagged as pubs so far with no mention that they have associated breweries (e.g. Cross Inn, Great Bromley for Sticklegs Brewery and the Railway Tavern, Brightlingsea contains The Railway Tavern Brewing Co.). Perhaps it isn't important though. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
On 18/03/2009 11:21, Ed Loach wrote: one in Bury St Edmunds is tagged landuse=industrial (with a visitor centre attraction). That was me. It really is a factory, so I felt industrial was appropriate. No, I agree. I've seen the place and it is very industrial. But landuse to me seems more appropriate for areas, so not much help with me just tagging a node (Farmers Brewery is essentially a microbrewery with capacity for I believe 8 barrels which was dictated by door width and ceiling height limiting what vessels they could get into the space available which is part of some out buildings for the adjacent hotel). For tagging the node I considered * building=brewery (Map Features says area only though original proposal also mentions node) * shop=brewery (they do also have a shop for bottled beers adjacent to the brewery) * amenity=brewery (as I picked pub in JOSM and manually changed pub to brewery, which is how it is currently tagged) * man_made=brewery (though it wasn't originally made to be a brewery) and so on. There is one standalone brewery (Harwich) in the Essex district I live in and tend to map, and I've not tagged it yet. There are also a couple of pubs which contain microbreweries, but they're only tagged as pubs so far with no mention that they have associated breweries (e.g. Cross Inn, Great Bromley for Sticklegs Brewery and the Railway Tavern, Brightlingsea contains The Railway Tavern Brewing Co.). Perhaps it isn't important though. My point was, though, that if brewery deserves to be identified, then so do all other business/industrail premises, as we have started doing shops. Therefore using some_existing_tag=brewery isn't so good. So maybe we need factory=brewery|printers|clothing etc like shop(*) Micro-breweries are perhaps a different matter, and by coincidence there is also one of these in Bury St Edmunds, here: href=http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.24951lon=0.71468zoom=17layers=B000FTFTTmlat=52.24962mlon=0.71470 Is this just perhaps some additional property of something already marked amenity=pub? David (*) PS I know some people aren't going to like this, but in retail parks with big shed type shops, I've taken to marking landuse=retail and then putting nodes marked landuse=retail; name=whatever within them sop identify individual shops. I'd use shop=... except that the names aren't rendered then (and yes, that's tagging for the renderer). I guess I could also do both. Ditto individual large factories in industrial estates (landuse=industrial). Examples of both side-by-die also in Bury: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.23952lon=0.74751zoom=16layers=B000FTTT ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
Hi Does anyone have suggestions on how best to tag breweries if you only have a node and not a building= area? I've looked through the wiki and the creating a proposal page mentions: you want a tag for a 'brewery' - consider searching for 'beer', 'manufacturing', 'alcohol', 'industrial', 'plant', 'works' I was at Farmers Brewery in Maldon last night and have tagged it as amenity=brewery for now, and then looked at other breweries that sprang to mind to see how they were tagged. The Felstar Brewery is in a vineyard, so I've actually got that tagged as landuse=vineyard, and one in Bury St Edmunds is tagged landuse=industrial (with a visitor centre attraction). Banks's (or is it Marstons these days) in Wolverhampton isn't tagged at all. Then I gave up searching and thought I'd ask here how others do it. I tried tagwatch and there are quite a few brewery= tags which I believe are to indicate who owns a given pub, and there are a couple of poi=brewery. Suggestions welcome Thanks Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: yeah, the tags landuse=industrial and industrial=brewing works for me Works for me too. Also extends nicely to constructions like building=industrial industrial=brewing operator=Duff Corp name=Hop storage shed #6 for standalone bits. Of course, without visiting a place, you can't really map it. So who wants to try to try to organise a map-up event at their local brewery? -- Andrew Chadwick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
Andrew Chadwick (email lists) wrote: for standalone bits. Of course, without visiting a place, you can't really map it. So who wants to try to try to organise a map-up event at their local brewery? Mine definitely needs mapping: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.22818lon=-0.73155zoom=17layers=B000FTF Distinct lack of Hogs Back Brewery there. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
Andy wrote: yeah, the tags landuse=industrial and industrial=brewing works for me After some thought I went with this, but if the node ever becomes an area I would probably tag it building=brewery. I quite like the idea of a business= tag though. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Brewery tagging
2009/3/18 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: Does anyone have suggestions on how best to tag breweries if you only have a node and not a building= area? I've looked through the wiki and the creating a proposal page mentions: you want a tag for a 'brewery' - consider searching for 'beer', 'manufacturing', 'alcohol', 'industrial', 'plant', 'works' I went for man_made=works, landuse=industrial, name=Megacorp Brewery Many breweries are more than one building on a site, but as a landmark node that'll do for me. cheers, LT ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
