[Talk-GB] Call to action: Translators needed
Good evening list! During last week's Missing Maps London event I got to know the mobile App "MapSwipe". This app is used to identify Imagery Tiles with specific features like buildings, roads, etc. in countries with low map coverage (i.e. developing/least developed countries). It is a second-level crowdsourcing platform and it's data is used by the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HotOSM.org) to feed it's taskmanager. From there volounteers use computer-based editors to map the tiles that were marked as having a mappable feature. Enough marketing talk, this is what this mail is about: The developing team uses Transifex (https://www.transifex.com/mapswipe/mapswipe-app/dashboard/) to translate the strings in the OpenSource-App (https://github.com/mapswipe/mapswipe) and is looking for people who'd love to contribute with more translations or finishing/reviewing the existing languages. Czech only needs review, but Dutch, French, Japanese, Nepali, Persian, Swahili, Hungarian, Indonesia, Russian and Spanish are still missing loads of translated strings. So, if any of you would be able to help with any of the languages mentioned above (you may also add any other language that you think should be on the app), this would be greatly appreciated! Please do not hesitate to share this mail with anyone you think could help or cross-post this outside this list, I haven't done so anywhere except the German Telegram Group t.me/OSM_de. Thank you for reading this far :) Kai ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Call to action: Translators needed
The project in question could have naturally joined the OpenStreetMap transifex organisation and profited from a couple of 100 very experienced translators, but that would be too simple. Am 12. Juli 2020 19:50:43 MESZ schrieb Kai Michael Poppe - OSM : >Good evening list! > >During last week's Missing Maps London event I got to know the mobile >App "MapSwipe". This app is used to identify Imagery Tiles with >specific features like buildings, roads, etc. in countries with low map >coverage (i.e. developing/least developed countries). It is a >second-level crowdsourcing platform and it's data is used by the >Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HotOSM.org) to feed it's taskmanager. >From there volounteers use computer-based editors to map the tiles that >were marked as having a mappable feature. > >Enough marketing talk, this is what this mail is about: The developing >team uses Transifex >(https://www.transifex.com/mapswipe/mapswipe-app/dashboard/) to >translate the strings in the OpenSource-App >(https://github.com/mapswipe/mapswipe) and is looking for people who'd >love to contribute with more translations or finishing/reviewing the >existing languages. Czech only needs review, but Dutch, French, >Japanese, Nepali, Persian, Swahili, Hungarian, Indonesia, Russian and >Spanish are still missing loads of translated strings. > >So, if any of you would be able to help with any of the languages >mentioned above (you may also add any other language that you think >should be on the app), this would be greatly appreciated! > >Please do not hesitate to share this mail with anyone you think could >help or cross-post this outside this list, I haven't done so anywhere >except the German Telegram Group t.me/OSM_de. > >Thank you for reading this far :) > >Kai > >___ >Talk-GB mailing list >Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit Kaiten Mail gesendet.___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Call to action: Translators needed
On 12.07.2020 20:58, Simon Poole wrote: > The project in question could have naturally joined the OpenStreetMap > transifex organisation and profited from a couple of 100 very experienced > translators, but that would be too simple. Well, don't kill the messenger. I myself only today discovered that there's a JOSM team and an OSM organization. It might be worth checking whether the projects could be moved to the OSM org. Kai ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Call to action: Translators needed
It's the other way around, I believe you are the victim and have been had. Am 12. Juli 2020 21:12:15 MESZ schrieb Kai Michael Poppe - OSM : > >On 12.07.2020 20:58, Simon Poole wrote: > >> The project in question could have naturally joined the OpenStreetMap >transifex organisation and profited from a couple of 100 very >experienced translators, but that would be too simple. > >Well, don't kill the messenger. I myself only today discovered that >there's a JOSM team and an OSM organization. >It might be worth checking whether the projects could be moved to the >OSM org. > >Kai > >___ >Talk-GB mailing list >Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit Kaiten Mail gesendet.___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Call to action: Translators needed
I've been asked to clarify this as it might come across as a personal attack which was not intended, sorry. The, very well funded, organizations in OSM space that claim "Humanitarian" for themselves, market themselves mainly by having a never ending stream of emergencies (some real, some not, some where OSM mapping could be useful, some not) that urgently need attention. In exchange for allowing HOT, MM etc to monetize your participation in "resolving" these emergencies, you get alleviated to a superior human being, well at least for a while. Think of it as a digital Ablasshandel, just that in the middle ages the benefits were probably more tangible. A "Call to action" for MapSwipe translations just reiterates the same concepts in the particular absurd situation were the issue at hand could have been resolved with a couple of minutes work at any time over the last 5 years if the developers were even remotely interested in cooperating with wider OSM instead of just sapping out some manpower. Simon On 13.07.2020 00:59, Simon Poole wrote: > It's the other way around, I believe you are the victim and have been had. > > Am 12. Juli 2020 21:12:15 MESZ schrieb Kai Michael Poppe - OSM > : > > On 12.07.2020 20:58, Simon Poole wrote: > > The project in question could have naturally joined the > OpenStreetMap transifex organisation and profited from a > couple of 100 very experienced translators, but that would be > too simple. > > > Well, don't kill the messenger. I myself only today discovered that > there's a JOSM team and an OSM organization. > It might be worth checking whether the projects could be moved to the OSM > org. > > Kai > > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > -- > Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit Kaiten Mail > gesendet. > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Call to action: Translators needed
> I've been asked to clarify this as it might come across as a personal > attack which was not intended, sorry. Apology accepted, but ... > The, very well funded, organizations in OSM space that claim > "Humanitarian" for themselves, market themselves mainly by having a > never ending stream of emergencies (some real, some not, some where OSM > mapping could be useful, some not) that urgently need attention. > > In exchange for allowing HOT, MM etc to monetize your participation in > "resolving" these emergencies, you get alleviated to a superior human > being, well at least for a while. Think of it as a digital Ablasshandel, > just that in the middle ages the benefits were probably more tangible. ... again, your wording sounds like you don't trust the organizations further that you could throw a rock and basically discard their efforts as those of money-hungry, evil corporations that aren't interested in the humanitarian aspect at all (Ablasshandel was a big thing in medieval times, I guess we shouldn't go down that road). I know that I might be exaggerating, but in essence you're just lumping all 20+ organizations together and ignore their individuality. > A "Call to action" for MapSwipe translations just reiterates the same > concepts in the particular absurd situation were the issue at hand > could have been resolved with a couple of minutes work at any time over > the last 5 years if the developers were even remotely interested in > cooperating with wider OSM instead of just sapping out some manpower. "Call to action" was _my wording_ and _my idea_ alone, nobody forced me to word it that way, nor have I given it a second thought, so every criticism to that reflects back to my action. If you think that the developing team could have just done/given thought "5 more minutes" (As a developer for 30+ years, I'm very sceptical of such claims) to incorporate their project into the established areas, there's no hinderance for you to get into contact (because you now know of the problem, that's why nobody has done so earlier) with them, and provide an easy solution to the absurdity of the situation that you see. You might have just had a bad day just like I had a couple of unpleasant weeks, but I do not understand your reasoning for your reactions. That might just be me and I might be completely in the wrong here, but I suggest we leave it at that. Kai ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Call to action: Translators needed
On 14.07.2020 17:21, o...@poppe.dev wrote: > ... again, your wording sounds like you don't trust the organizations further > that you could throw a rock and basically discard their efforts as those of > money-hungry, evil corporations that aren't interested in the humanitarian > aspect at all (Ablasshandel was a big thing in medieval times, I guess we > shouldn't go down that road). I've never found the concept of trust when dealing with legal entities of any kind useful. In any case the correct throwing distance would be dropping the stone. There is nothing wrong with being money hungry btw, leads to predictable behaviour, and is less fickle than many other things. > > I know that I might be exaggerating, but in essence you're just lumping all > 20+ organizations together and ignore their individuality. I'm just commenting on the involvement "in" OSM which is fairly uniform. OK HOT seems to be pivoting now around globalizing its paid mapping business, but that is maybe because they are wising up on the fact that the ambulance chasing may have run its course as a funding mechanism. In any case you should do your own research on the organizations, some have very good reputation, say MSF, others less so. >> A "Call to action" for MapSwipe translations just reiterates the same >> concepts in the particular absurd situation were the issue at hand >> could have been resolved with a couple of minutes work at any time over >> the last 5 years if the developers were even remotely interested in >> cooperating with wider OSM instead of just sapping out some manpower. > "Call to action" was _my wording_ and _my idea_ alone, nobody forced me to > word it that way, nor have I given it a second thought, so every criticism to > that reflects back to my action. > > If you think that the developing team could have just done/given thought "5 > more minutes" (As a developer for 30+ years, I'm very sceptical of such > claims) to incorporate their project into the established areas, there's no > hinderance for you to get into contact (because you now know of the problem, > that's why nobody has done so earlier) with them, and provide an easy > solution to the absurdity of the situation that you see. It essentially boils down to checking a couple of boxes in transifex and sending an announcement out to the existing translators that there is a new project available, and changing the base URL for the project in whatever they use to automate translations now. Numerous projects have done it in the past, really no big deal. And I've suggested it to "Humanitarian" projects before (would have to dig if it was specifically MapSwipe), but as with essentially all "Humanitarian" software development there is essentially no cooperation with any mainstream OSM work, which may have to do with funding, maybe not. > > You might have just had a bad day just like I had a couple of unpleasant > weeks, but I do not understand your reasoning for your reactions. That might > just be me and I might be completely in the wrong here, but I suggest we > leave it at that. > > Kai It is just experience vs. trust. Simon ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
