Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath numbering
I wouldn't take PRoW refs from any source unless I was completely confident that it's compatible with OSM's license. It sounds like your Chiltern Society map is an annotated OS map, therefore unsuitable. Unfortunately I think it depends upon where you live as to how well the refs are put up on signs. In the last few years I've found that my area of Kent have done pretty well with getting refs displayed. From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Bob Hawkins Sent: 17 March 2010 08:52 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Footpath numbering Footpaths and bridleways are numbered on definitive maps but rarely on signposts or waymarks. Often numbered on a parish or community basis (HA10, for example), their use appears to be for legal puposes mainly, rather than as an aid to navigation. Having said that, my local Chiltern Society footpath map is annotated with the definitve numbers. So, I wonder what OSM mappers in GB feel about adding the official numbers to such ways. I suspect copyright is an issue because the rights of way numbers will invariably be on maps based upon the Ordnance Survey, unless anyone knows that they are available from another source. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath numbering
I wouldn?t take PRoW refs from any source unless I was completely confident that it?s compatible with OSM?s license Sorry, meant to raise this point in my last reply. Would any source also include footpath signs with the number on? This is common practice on the Isle of Wight, and I myself have used these signs as a source before. These signs would be equivalent to road signs showing the road number, and will have been erected by the council - so I definitely can't see an issue there. Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath numbering
I've last week added all the ref= numbers for my local footpaths. I went into the library and took the definitive written route description book off the shelf, not the map. Is the written list that is definitive (or at least used to be). Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Bob Hawkins Sent: 17 March 2010 8:52 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] Footpath numbering Footpaths and bridleways are numbered on definitive maps but rarely on signposts or waymarks. Often numbered on a parish or community basis (HA10, for example), their use appears to be for legal puposes mainly, rather than as an aid to navigation. Having said that, my local Chiltern Society footpath map is annotated with the definitve numbers. So, I wonder what OSM mappers in GB feel about adding the official numbers to such ways. I suspect copyright is an issue because the rights of way numbers will invariably be on maps based upon the Ordnance Survey, unless anyone knows that they are available from another source. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.791 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2752 - Release Date: 03/17/10 07:33:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath numbering
-Original Message- From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Nick Whitelegg Sent: 17 March 2010 10:22 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath numbering I wouldn?t take PRoW refs from any source unless I was completely confident that it?s compatible with OSM?s license Sorry, meant to raise this point in my last reply. Would any source also include footpath signs with the number on? This is common practice on the Isle of Wight, and I myself have used these signs as a source before. These signs would be equivalent to road signs showing the road number, and will have been erected by the council - so I definitely can't see an issue there. Ah, I did write that a bit ambiguously really I guess. I, and I think virtually everyone surveying data in OSM, think that getting the refs from the signs in-situ is perfectly fine. It's just like getting road refs or street names from signs at the edge of the road. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath numbering
And I discovered something interesting that may be applicable countrywide. A member of the Ramblers Association kindly made a definitive footpath map for me in the 1970s - hand-inked on the Otley and Ilkley OS 1:25000 sheets. As I recall, this was around the time the original PRoW survey was done. Both OS sheets were the latest available at the time but published in the 1950s ... so they are now clearly out of copyright. I wonder if the same applies to the bulk of original maps that the councils around the country hold? I have never seen one. Mike At 11:19 AM 17/03/2010, Nick Whitelegg wrote: I wouldn?t take PRoW refs from any source unless I was completely confident that it?s compatible with OSM?s license. It sounds like your Chiltern Society map is an annotated OS map, therefore unsuitable. Is it though? (I don't know, just a rhetorical question) The OS did not come up with the numbers, the council did. So how can the OS claim copyright over the numbering? Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath numbering
When living in Durham last year I would get the free local paper through the door and flick straight to the planning notices. If a footpath was closed I got it's reference number from the description, and sometimes 2-4 other references. Occasionally I got a road name that I had missed (broken sign etc.). I was also looking out for construction work that might add a road or something, although there is a long wait and then I need to go out an survey it, I kept them in mind. I never made it to the library to look at old maps or descriptions. I thought about it, but I'm not sure what library branch I would have to go to or if it was a special one where you have to request the books. I think my small local library in London is good for stuff like that (but less footpaths). -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
