Re: [Talk-GB] NCN numbering
I think most of us are working with what's on the ground though there are sections of NCN that we ride that are poorly signed though the route is in use on the ground if you know where to go. Generally speaking you should find the routes in OSM pretty reliable, if at times disjointed. Bear in mind also that the OS prints routes on its maps that the LA and Sustrans provide them with. In the Sustrans mapping some are wrongly routed because they were created off the 1:50,000 mapping. Sustrans has moved all its GIS over to 1:10,000 mapping now and they are in the process of cleaning up routes, crossings and access point data. I'm doing that currently for them for instance in Birmingham. One way to fix problems with OSM data for cycling is to submit a routing bug via cyclestreets.net Cheers Andy >-Original Message- >From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- >boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Henry Gomersall >Sent: 01 July 2010 9:59 AM >To: Richard Fairhurst >Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] NCN numbering > >On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 01:49 -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: >> I think, ultimately, Sustrans' internal semantics shouldn't really >> concern >> us documenting the system from outside (even those of us who also >> happen to >> be rangers ;) ). > >Are the cycle routes representative of what is on the ground, i.e. What >the little signs say, or are they representative of some document >somewhere? > >As a cyclist, I'm keen to say I'd find the a representation of what is >on the ground more useful. One of my pet annoyances with maps is when >they don't agree with data on the ground. Imagine trying to find an >obscure cycle route, labelled as RCN on the map with a sign that says >NCN. Its an extra layer of confusion that I've often encountered with >crap (usually foreign) maps. > >Cheers, > >Henry > > >___ >Talk-GB mailing list >Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2974 - Release Date: 06/30/10 >19:38:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NCN numbering
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 01:49 -0700, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > I think, ultimately, Sustrans' internal semantics shouldn't really > concern > us documenting the system from outside (even those of us who also > happen to > be rangers ;) ). Are the cycle routes representative of what is on the ground, i.e. What the little signs say, or are they representative of some document somewhere? As a cyclist, I'm keen to say I'd find the a representation of what is on the ground more useful. One of my pet annoyances with maps is when they don't agree with data on the ground. Imagine trying to find an obscure cycle route, labelled as RCN on the map with a sign that says NCN. Its an extra layer of confusion that I've often encountered with crap (usually foreign) maps. Cheers, Henry ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NCN numbering
Richard, There is a slight different take on this with Sustrans, at least some I talk to. What I've been told is that national routes will remain 2 digit numbers and that new national routes will also, in theory, have a 2 digit number, though that doesn't exactly give them much scope to expand it the network nationally! The three digit routes I'm working on are still classed in the Sustrans system as regional routes. As you quite rightly say, all regional routes and national routes now and in the future will have the white on red patch numbering with the blue patched phased out. I'll query this with a few more today as I have a lunchtime ride booked with some of the top brass. Cheers Andy >-Original Message- >From: talk-gb-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-gb- >boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Richard Fairhurst >Sent: 30 June 2010 7:44 PM >To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org >Subject: [Talk-GB] NCN numbering > >Apologies for thread breakage - the otherwise excellent Nabble has fallen >over. > >All white-on-red numbered routes are National Routes and should be tagged >with ncn_ref (or the relation equivalent). This includes all the new three- >figure routes. > >White-on-blue are Regional Routes. These are being phased out and will all >either be renumbered as National Routes (usually three figures, though I >know of one existing and two proposed renumberings from Regional to two- >digit National) or withdrawn from the NCN entirely. Don't expect it to >happen overnight, though. > >It's a bit confusing right now but should resolve itself into something >more understandable in time. > >Usual proviso: local councils have been known to get the colours wrong on >occasion! > >cheers >Richard >___ >Talk-GB mailing list >Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2974 - Release Date: 06/30/10 >19:38:00 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NCN numbering
On 30 Jun 2010, at 19:47, Richard Mann wrote: > And just to confuse matters, Oxford has it's own local numbering (1-9 > on blue backgrounds). Yep. Several places have local networks (we tag them with lcn_ref) and it is *really* confusing when they use blue or worse still, in Gloucester, red. Mind you the Oxford signs I've seen are so faded I'm amazed you can tell they're blue at all. ;) Gwynedd has a curious part-local, part-regional set of routes with white-on-green signs. Some lovely cycling, though. cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] NCN numbering
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Apologies for thread breakage - the otherwise excellent Nabble has fallen > over. > > All white-on-red numbered routes are National Routes and should be tagged > with ncn_ref (or the relation equivalent). This includes all the new > three-figure routes. > > White-on-blue are Regional Routes. These are being phased out and will all > either be renumbered as National Routes (usually three figures, though I know > of one existing and two proposed renumberings from Regional to two-digit > National) or withdrawn from the NCN entirely. Don't expect it to happen > overnight, though. > > It's a bit confusing right now but should resolve itself into something more > understandable in time. > > Usual proviso: local councils have been known to get the colours wrong on > occasion! And just to confuse matters, Oxford has it's own local numbering (1-9 on blue backgrounds). Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] NCN numbering
Apologies for thread breakage - the otherwise excellent Nabble has fallen over. All white-on-red numbered routes are National Routes and should be tagged with ncn_ref (or the relation equivalent). This includes all the new three-figure routes. White-on-blue are Regional Routes. These are being phased out and will all either be renumbered as National Routes (usually three figures, though I know of one existing and two proposed renumberings from Regional to two-digit National) or withdrawn from the NCN entirely. Don't expect it to happen overnight, though. It's a bit confusing right now but should resolve itself into something more understandable in time. Usual proviso: local councils have been known to get the colours wrong on occasion! cheers Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
