Re: [Talk-GB] OS National Grid References
Thanks for your knowledgeable replies which reassure me that grid refs are not copyright, but the 1995 court case is still perplexing. My source was a news item from the Guardian and I can't find any accessible online source which has the legal argument and details of the case. Does anyone know any more about this case? Perhaps I should ask OS. Regards Brian On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 23:53, SK53 wrote: > As virtually every biological recording scheme has used National Grid > references extensively since the early 1960s , and OSGB have not (yet) sued > me for my user name, I think you can take that this is pretty much a dead > letter. > > I can also cite Constable walking guides from the 1970s. > > Any attempt by OSGB to enforce copyright would undoubtedly be > self-defeating, so I cant see them doing it. > > Jerry > > On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 at 16:21, Brian Prangle wrote: > >> Are these covered by copyright? I've found conflicting opinions: >> >> out of copyright in 1986 - since it was 50 years since the introduction >> of the NG in 1936 >> >> and >> >> "current case law supports this ownership, given in Ordnance Survey vs >> Younger and others (Ch 10 April 1995), in which Sir Jeremy Vinelott, >> sitting as a Judge of the High Court, ruled that "OS copyright material >> includes the National Grid" and that "the OS retain the right to refuse to >> allow ... [someone] ... to use the National Grid", a right taken up in that >> case. " >> >> Can anyone shed any light on this? >> >> regards >> >> Brian >> ___ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OS National Grid References
Brian Prangle wrote: > Are these covered by copyright? The National Grid per se is not covered by copyright. The newer transformations used to produce highly accurate grid references may be, but in fact OS has licensed the most recent (OSTN15) under the permissive BSD licence: https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-and-government/help-and-support/navigation-technology/os-net/formats-for-developers.html Richard -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/Great-Britain-f5372682.html ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OS National Grid References
On 22/01/2019 16:20, Brian Prangle wrote: Are these covered by copyright? I've found conflicting opinions: The issue is not a grid ref itself as such, but the data tables that are necessary to do a fully accurate conversion between OSGB and WG84 (or any other coordinate system). There is a simplified algorithmic transformation but a fully accurate conversion requires the OSTN02 data. I'm not sure what the current status is but they certainly used to claim various IP rights over it. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] OS National Grid References
Are these covered by copyright? I've found conflicting opinions: out of copyright in 1986 - since it was 50 years since the introduction of the NG in 1936 and "current case law supports this ownership, given in Ordnance Survey vs Younger and others (Ch 10 April 1995), in which Sir Jeremy Vinelott, sitting as a Judge of the High Court, ruled that "OS copyright material includes the National Grid" and that "the OS retain the right to refuse to allow ... [someone] ... to use the National Grid", a right taken up in that case. " Can anyone shed any light on this? regards Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
