Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK AoA Directors Powers
Jerry, Is it possible to reference powers needed to fulfill the objectives of the company (i.e. article 5 of the AoA) rather than(or in addition to) "obligations & resolution of the members"? Or is already effectively what option 6 is? It would seem more sensible/normal to me. E.g. With the objective to promote use of OSM in the UK, the directors could decide they need a website and pay fees for hosting (in turn, decide they need a bank account, etc), and they can just get that done. If the membership disagree with having a website, they can call for the AOA to be changed/amended "promote ... excluding through the use of a website" without that process seeming like such a direct attack of trusting the directors. *Actually, thinking about it this all seems like option 3?* *Key points though...* 1) Hopefully the majority of directors will be sensible and will stop money being spent on "Uncle Geoff's Money Laundering Web Host Inc.". 2) Ultimately the directors spend/power is limited by funds. Funds are limited by membership & open donations/sponsorship, so members could make public statements/contact "Stop giving money to that OSM UK bunch, they don't represent the me/us and they're dodgy". Any behind the scenes funds or lack of budget/spend reporting, and we have other/bigger problems to worry about. Gregory. On 21 April 2016 at 22:49, Jez Nicholson wrote: > I had never considered that a pony may be in the offing... > > And the web site example is good. There needs to be a balance between > getting things done by paying a reasonable amount and Directors going crazy > with the cash. Checks and balances. > > How do we choose between the options? > > On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 20:00 SK53, wrote: > >> A small document setting out a range of options for the Directors >> Authority clause. >> >> Jerry >> >> Directors Powers Options >> >> >> The basic boilerplate text of the Articles of Association provides that >> Directors can exercise all the powers of the Company. In initial >> discussions there was a strong consensus that OSM UK should be member led: >> broadly that most or all iniatives should orginate with the membership, >> with the Directors doing necessary work to facilitate such things. >> >> >> To take a simple example: I would presume OSMUK would want a website. >> Agreeing that a website is wanted & needed, then the Directors would need >> to have powers to agree a contract & pay the fees, which in turn implies a >> bank account etc. Allowing Directors full powers may mean that OSM UK >> follows the interests & desires of the Directors rather than those of the >> Members. In Rob Nickerson's original survey they were a range of things >> suggested and different levels of approval for them. >> >> >> The problem of restricting Directors' powers is that it is not always >> clear what powers they may need to perform various tasks. >> >> >> We can split powers into a number of different categories: >> >> >> >>- >> >>Basic powers needed to run the company as a going concern: ability to >>have a bank account, pay bills etc. >>- >> >>Entering into contracts. Necessary for many routine activities of a >>company, but others may not be routine. >>- >> >>Initiating projects. >> >> >> So far I have conceived of a number of different ways we can express this >> in the AoA: >> >> >> >>1. >> >>*Full powers*. Standard boilerplate text. Easy to do. Downside is >>that removing powers may require alterations to AoA, and furthermore >>restricting Directors' powers is quite likely to end up being contentious. >>Any such process will appear to be a group of members not trusting the >>Directors. >>2. >> >>*No powers*. Powers need to be conferred explicitly by the Members. >>This is the current draft. Downside is that it is likely to limit >> Directors >>far too much. Such limitation is likely to be particularly troublesome at >>the outset. >>3. >> >>*No powers except those needed for Directors to fulfill legal & >>fiduciary duties*. Basically an additional clause added to current >>draft. This is an attempt to allow Directors to do necessary things but >> not >>unnecessary ones. Likely to readily twisted for any purpose. >>4. >> >>*Full powers limited for a term*. As current draft but Directors >>given full powers until the first AGM. Directors would be expected to >>propose which powers they need at the first AGM. >>5. >> >>*Full powers, renewable at the AGM*. Again slightly limiting powers & >>putting onus on Directors to use them responsibly. Downside is that if >>powers are not renewed then back in same problem area of 2. >>6. >> >>*Powers need to fulfill obligations & resolution of the members*. A >>variant of 3, but phrased so that if the Membership votes for everyone to >>have a pony; Directors are implicitly granted such powers as needed to >>acquire & distribute said p
Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK AoA Directors Powers
I had never considered that a pony may be in the offing... And the web site example is good. There needs to be a balance between getting things done by paying a reasonable amount and Directors going crazy with the cash. Checks and balances. How do we choose between the options? On Thu, 21 Apr 2016 20:00 SK53, wrote: > A small document setting out a range of options for the Directors > Authority clause. > > Jerry > > Directors Powers Options > > > The basic boilerplate text of the Articles of Association provides that > Directors can exercise all the powers of the Company. In initial > discussions there was a strong consensus that OSM UK should be member led: > broadly that most or all iniatives should orginate with the membership, > with the Directors doing necessary work to facilitate such things. > > > To take a simple example: I would presume OSMUK would want a website. > Agreeing that a website is wanted & needed, then the Directors would need > to have powers to agree a contract & pay the fees, which in turn implies a > bank account etc. Allowing Directors full powers may mean that OSM UK > follows the interests & desires of the Directors rather than those of the > Members. In Rob Nickerson's original survey they were a range of things > suggested and different levels of approval for them. > > > The problem of restricting Directors' powers is that it is not always > clear what powers they may need to perform various tasks. > > > We can split powers into a number of different categories: > > > >- > >Basic powers needed to run the company as a going concern: ability to >have a bank account, pay bills etc. >- > >Entering into contracts. Necessary for many routine activities of a >company, but others may not be routine. >- > >Initiating projects. > > > So far I have conceived of a number of different ways we can express this > in the AoA: > > > >1. > >*Full powers*. Standard boilerplate text. Easy to do. Downside is that >removing powers may require alterations to AoA, and furthermore restricting >Directors' powers is quite likely to end up being contentious. Any such >process will appear to be a group of members not trusting the Directors. >2. > >*No powers*. Powers need to be conferred explicitly by the Members. >This is the current draft. Downside is that it is likely to limit Directors >far too much. Such limitation is likely to be particularly troublesome at >the outset. >3. > >*No powers except those needed for Directors to fulfill legal & >fiduciary duties*. Basically an additional clause added to current >draft. This is an attempt to allow Directors to do necessary things but not >unnecessary ones. Likely to readily twisted for any purpose. >4. > >*Full powers limited for a term*. As current draft but Directors given >full powers until the first AGM. Directors would be expected to propose >which powers they need at the first AGM. >5. > >*Full powers, renewable at the AGM*. Again slightly limiting powers & >putting onus on Directors to use them responsibly. Downside is that if >powers are not renewed then back in same problem area of 2. >6. > >*Powers need to fulfill obligations & resolution of the members*. A >variant of 3, but phrased so that if the Membership votes for everyone to >have a pony; Directors are implicitly granted such powers as needed to >acquire & distribute said ponies. > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] OSMUK AoA Directors Powers
A small document setting out a range of options for the Directors Authority clause. Jerry Directors Powers Options The basic boilerplate text of the Articles of Association provides that Directors can exercise all the powers of the Company. In initial discussions there was a strong consensus that OSM UK should be member led: broadly that most or all iniatives should orginate with the membership, with the Directors doing necessary work to facilitate such things. To take a simple example: I would presume OSMUK would want a website. Agreeing that a website is wanted & needed, then the Directors would need to have powers to agree a contract & pay the fees, which in turn implies a bank account etc. Allowing Directors full powers may mean that OSM UK follows the interests & desires of the Directors rather than those of the Members. In Rob Nickerson's original survey they were a range of things suggested and different levels of approval for them. The problem of restricting Directors' powers is that it is not always clear what powers they may need to perform various tasks. We can split powers into a number of different categories: - Basic powers needed to run the company as a going concern: ability to have a bank account, pay bills etc. - Entering into contracts. Necessary for many routine activities of a company, but others may not be routine. - Initiating projects. So far I have conceived of a number of different ways we can express this in the AoA: 1. *Full powers*. Standard boilerplate text. Easy to do. Downside is that removing powers may require alterations to AoA, and furthermore restricting Directors' powers is quite likely to end up being contentious. Any such process will appear to be a group of members not trusting the Directors. 2. *No powers*. Powers need to be conferred explicitly by the Members. This is the current draft. Downside is that it is likely to limit Directors far too much. Such limitation is likely to be particularly troublesome at the outset. 3. *No powers except those needed for Directors to fulfill legal & fiduciary duties*. Basically an additional clause added to current draft. This is an attempt to allow Directors to do necessary things but not unnecessary ones. Likely to readily twisted for any purpose. 4. *Full powers limited for a term*. As current draft but Directors given full powers until the first AGM. Directors would be expected to propose which powers they need at the first AGM. 5. *Full powers, renewable at the AGM*. Again slightly limiting powers & putting onus on Directors to use them responsibly. Downside is that if powers are not renewed then back in same problem area of 2. 6. *Powers need to fulfill obligations & resolution of the members*. A variant of 3, but phrased so that if the Membership votes for everyone to have a pony; Directors are implicitly granted such powers as needed to acquire & distribute said ponies. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb