Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey National Grid maps of Edinburgh

2014-08-22 Thread Eric Grosso
Hi all,

Thanks Rob for that.

Chris Fleet (NLS) asked me to announce to the OSM community that the NLS is
also adding the Ordnance Survey Maps - 25 inch 2nd and later editions,
Scotland, 1892-1949, which is the most detailed topographic mapping for
all the inhabited regions of Scotland from the 1890s to the 1940s, as
described here: http://maps.nls.uk/os/25inch-2nd-and-later/index.html
At the moment, this layer currently covers selected counties in Southern
Scotland only and can be added using the following URL:
http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata3/os/25_inch/cb/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png

Jerry wrote about the MESH project (http://www.mesh.ed.ac.uk/) in which I'm
involved with Richard. Funded by the AHRC, the MESH project is about
mapping the history of Edinburgh. We compared the different solutions to
create an historical GIS and finally decided to use OSM. So since March, we
started to improve OSM in Edinburgh. You can see the results in these two
examples:
- part of New Town: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/55.95750/-3.20140
- part of Old Town: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/55.95005/-3.18792

The mapping is still in progress but we hope to have covered most of the
town before the end of October.

This being said, because it's a 3-year project, the solution to use OSM
would probably not have been possible without the historic maps digitised,
georeferenced and provided online by the NLS. It would have been too
time-consuming. Indeed because we want to map addresses, we need to map
buildings which is sometimes not easy at all in an historic town such as
Edinburgh. Using the historic maps allowed us:
- to speed up the mapping process,
- to add far more details such as walls, gardens or gates (walls and
gardens can seem secondary features but all together with buildings, it
gives an idea of the plots),
- to add some addresses using a combination of maps (OS National Grid maps
of Edinburgh (1940s-1960s) contain the house numbers but don't show where
the entrances are, contrary to the OS 1893 map, which shows the entrances
but not the house numbers) before doing the full survey (thus it saves a
lot of time on the field as it's just a matter of checking things rather
than drawing/writing on the map),
- to improve the accuracy of OSM in term of positioning, at least to be
consistent even if there is a global offset; Bing imagery contains a priori
an offset (in fact many local offsets) which can be corrected using the
features on the grounds such as letter boxes, walls, etc, elements which
are included in the historic maps.

So I take the opportunity here to thank a lot the NLS (partner of the MESH
project) and particularly Chris for their wonderful job here, as well as
the local OSM community in Edinburgh (mainly Bob, Brian, Chris, Donald,
Neil).

And Jerry, yes, you're right, we didn't put many information online yet as
we really wanted to concentrate on the core task which was and still is the
mapping. But before mid-October, we'll put for sure some material online
including maps, some articles and reports to talk about our experience
contributing and using OSM, some web applications, and probably some
surprises we are working on. Every data produced during this project will
be released as open data as we strongly believe that everyone including the
general public, local historians, scholars, academics, etc has the right to
access and play with the data and tools we will produce/develop.

Cheers,
Eric




On 11 August 2014 23:08, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote:

 I met Richard Rodger who is leading the MESH project at Edinburgh
 University. Addresses in central Edinburgh have changed so little in 200
 years that they are able to use OSM to map where attorneys were located in
 the middle of the 19th Century. The historical addresses were acquired from
 Business Directories. And MESH is the reason why these particular maps have
 been done. There is a link to the project there.

 I dont think there is that much detailed information available yet, but it
 looks to be shaping up to be both a fascinating project and a classic
 example of how OSM data can be used for purposes very different from what
 one might expect.

 Jerry


 On 11 August 2014 22:52, Donald Noble drno...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Rob,

 The alignment matches well with both bing and what is already on OSM
 (although this may largely be derived).

 Also pleasing to note that the addresses I have surveyed match those
 on the OS map - don't suppose they change all that often.

 Cheers, Donald

 On 10 August 2014 00:04, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all, particularly those folk mapping up in Scotland,
 
  The National Library of Scotland has added the earliest editions of
 Ordnance
  Survey National Grid maps covering the Edinburgh environs to their
 online
  map offerings.
 
  http://maps.nls.uk/additions.html#28
 
  What's so special about these maps is that they show details right down
 to
  individual buildings plus their 

Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey National Grid maps of Edinburgh

2014-08-11 Thread Donald Noble
Thanks Rob,

The alignment matches well with both bing and what is already on OSM
(although this may largely be derived).

Also pleasing to note that the addresses I have surveyed match those
on the OS map - don't suppose they change all that often.

Cheers, Donald

On 10 August 2014 00:04, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all, particularly those folk mapping up in Scotland,

 The National Library of Scotland has added the earliest editions of Ordnance
 Survey National Grid maps covering the Edinburgh environs to their online
 map offerings.

 http://maps.nls.uk/additions.html#28

 What's so special about these maps is that they show details right down to
 individual buildings plus their addresses! I think this is a first for the
 UK (Warwickshire CC have a map layer of these National Grid maps but theirs
 cover a period which is still in copyright so cannot be used for OSM).

 If out mapping and you want to double check an address, this could be a
 great asset to have at your disposal.

 To add this to JOSM you need to create a new imagery layer with the
 following URL:

 http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata3/os/edinburgh_1250_out/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png

 Regards,
 Rob

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Re: [Talk-GB] Ordnance Survey National Grid maps of Edinburgh

2014-08-11 Thread SK53
I met Richard Rodger who is leading the MESH project at Edinburgh
University. Addresses in central Edinburgh have changed so little in 200
years that they are able to use OSM to map where attorneys were located in
the middle of the 19th Century. The historical addresses were acquired from
Business Directories. And MESH is the reason why these particular maps have
been done. There is a link to the project there.

I dont think there is that much detailed information available yet, but it
looks to be shaping up to be both a fascinating project and a classic
example of how OSM data can be used for purposes very different from what
one might expect.

Jerry


On 11 August 2014 22:52, Donald Noble drno...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Rob,

 The alignment matches well with both bing and what is already on OSM
 (although this may largely be derived).

 Also pleasing to note that the addresses I have surveyed match those
 on the OS map - don't suppose they change all that often.

 Cheers, Donald

 On 10 August 2014 00:04, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all, particularly those folk mapping up in Scotland,
 
  The National Library of Scotland has added the earliest editions of
 Ordnance
  Survey National Grid maps covering the Edinburgh environs to their online
  map offerings.
 
  http://maps.nls.uk/additions.html#28
 
  What's so special about these maps is that they show details right down
 to
  individual buildings plus their addresses! I think this is a first for
 the
  UK (Warwickshire CC have a map layer of these National Grid maps but
 theirs
  cover a period which is still in copyright so cannot be used for OSM).
 
  If out mapping and you want to double check an address, this could be a
  great asset to have at your disposal.
 
  To add this to JOSM you need to create a new imagery layer with the
  following URL:
 
  http://geo.nls.uk/mapdata3/os/edinburgh_1250_out/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png
 
  Regards,
  Rob
 
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