Re: [Talk-GB] Private and restricted access post boxes
Is it worth adding opening_hours to these post boxes (as well as collection times.) ? If the postbox is in a supermarket, it'll only be accessible when the supermarket is open, but it *will* be accessible then. --- https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain spiregrain_...@ksglp.org.uk On Mon, 2 Mar 2020, at 11:12 AM, SK53 wrote: > The actual locations of many of these are still very useful. As sub-post > offices get relocated to shops there are likely to be more of them. In the > past I would certainly have appreciated knowing the locations of ones on the > departure side of airports. To my regret I forgot to ascertain the location > of the one in the RAC Club on Pall Mall when I called in there a few years > ago. > > There are other issues with amenity=post_box elsewhere in the world. The tag > is used in the US (and possibly elsewhere) for banks of external letter boxes > outside apartment building, and also for other non-universal delivery > providers (FedEx etc). > > Jerry > > On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 07:54, Jez Nicholson wrote: >> I'm inclined to think that it is the areas that are restricted and not the >> postboxes, and hence map them as normal. >> >> I've had a similar issue with clothes recycling boxes on school premises. >> >> On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, 15:56 Dan Glover, wrote: >>> So it’s March, the sun is shining here and it’s time to go back out in >>> pursuit of post boxes and other OSM things. >>> __ __ >>> While working through the CT postal area three things have come up which >>> maybe need further thought: >>> __ __ >>> __- __Some boxes are located within MOD or other restricted access sites. >>> To those inside the fence they are normal facilities but perhaps they’re >>> not an “amenity” in the sense of being available to the general public. >>> This also tends to inhibit surveying. >>> __ __ >>> __- __Royal Mail data from 2013 in some cases includes “private boxes”, one >>> local example is in the reception area of an hotel. There is a mail >>> collection from the building but there’s a conventional pillar box within >>> 200 m. These probably aren’t an “amenity” in general terms. The RM data >>> treats them inconsistently, they’re not all listed. >>> __ __ >>> __- __There are boxes inside some supermarkets. They are also on private >>> property however the public is encouraged to visit the premises. Those in >>> Tesco and Asda, maybe others, tend to be tall GRP boxes of this style (a >>> variation with clear back is used at airports and other places where >>> security might be a concern) >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post_box_at_ASDA,_Smithdown_Road.jpg. >>> These are owned and operated by RM in the normal fashion. In the past >>> Sainsbury’s had boxes carrying advertising and often labelled MIDI POST or >>> similar, in this style >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post_box_CH49_15_in_Sainsbury,_Upton.jpg >>> I understand these were “private” in RM terms and the third party which >>> managed them went into administration, following which most were removed. >>> However due to RM’s inconsistent data some appear in the 2013 FOI >>> release. >>> __ __ >>> Is there an appropriate way to handle the first two cases? Should they be >>> in OSM at all, or shown with a tag to indicate restricted access? >>> __ __ >>> As for the Sainsbury’s boxes it may be the best thing is to treat all of >>> them as requiring a check to confirm whether the facility still exists. >>> __ __ >>> __ __ >>> Dan >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-GB mailing list >>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> ___ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Private and restricted access post boxes
The actual locations of many of these are still very useful. As sub-post offices get relocated to shops there are likely to be more of them. In the past I would certainly have appreciated knowing the locations of ones on the departure side of airports. To my regret I forgot to ascertain the location of the one in the RAC Club on Pall Mall when I called in there a few years ago. There are other issues with amenity=post_box elsewhere in the world. The tag is used in the US (and possibly elsewhere) for banks of external letter boxes outside apartment building, and also for other non-universal delivery providers (FedEx etc). Jerry On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 07:54, Jez Nicholson wrote: > I'm inclined to think that it is the areas that are restricted and not the > postboxes, and hence map them as normal. > > I've had a similar issue with clothes recycling boxes on school premises. > > On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, 15:56 Dan Glover, wrote: > >> So it’s March, the sun is shining here and it’s time to go back out in >> pursuit of post boxes and other OSM things. >> >> >> >> While working through the CT postal area three things have come up which >> maybe need further thought: >> >> >> >> - Some boxes are located within MOD or other restricted access >> sites. To those inside the fence they are normal facilities but perhaps >> they’re not an “amenity” in the sense of being available to the general >> public. This also tends to inhibit surveying. >> >> >> >> - Royal Mail data from 2013 in some cases includes “private >> boxes”, one local example is in the reception area of an hotel. There is a >> mail collection from the building but there’s a conventional pillar box >> within 200 m. These probably aren’t an “amenity” in general terms. The RM >> data treats them inconsistently, they’re not all listed. >> >> >> >> - There are boxes inside some supermarkets. They are also on >> private property however the public is encouraged to visit the premises. >> Those in Tesco and Asda, maybe others, tend to be tall GRP boxes of this >> style (a variation with clear back is used at airports and other places >> where security might be a concern) >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post_box_at_ASDA,_Smithdown_Road.jpg. >> These are owned and operated by RM in the normal fashion. In the past >> Sainsbury’s had boxes carrying advertising and often labelled MIDI POST or >> similar, in this style >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post_box_CH49_15_in_Sainsbury,_Upton.jpg >> I understand these were “private” in RM terms and the third party which >> managed them went into administration, following which most were removed. >> However due to RM’s inconsistent data some appear in the 2013 FOI release. >> >> >> >> Is there an appropriate way to handle the first two cases? Should they >> be in OSM at all, or shown with a tag to indicate restricted access? >> >> >> >> As for the Sainsbury’s boxes it may be the best thing is to treat all of >> them as requiring a check to confirm whether the facility still exists. >> >> >> >> >> >> Dan >> >> ___ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Private and restricted access post boxes
I'm inclined to think that it is the areas that are restricted and not the postboxes, and hence map them as normal. I've had a similar issue with clothes recycling boxes on school premises. On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, 15:56 Dan Glover, wrote: > So it’s March, the sun is shining here and it’s time to go back out in > pursuit of post boxes and other OSM things. > > > > While working through the CT postal area three things have come up which > maybe need further thought: > > > > - Some boxes are located within MOD or other restricted access > sites. To those inside the fence they are normal facilities but perhaps > they’re not an “amenity” in the sense of being available to the general > public. This also tends to inhibit surveying. > > > > - Royal Mail data from 2013 in some cases includes “private > boxes”, one local example is in the reception area of an hotel. There is a > mail collection from the building but there’s a conventional pillar box > within 200 m. These probably aren’t an “amenity” in general terms. The RM > data treats them inconsistently, they’re not all listed. > > > > - There are boxes inside some supermarkets. They are also on > private property however the public is encouraged to visit the premises. > Those in Tesco and Asda, maybe others, tend to be tall GRP boxes of this > style (a variation with clear back is used at airports and other places > where security might be a concern) > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post_box_at_ASDA,_Smithdown_Road.jpg. > These are owned and operated by RM in the normal fashion. In the past > Sainsbury’s had boxes carrying advertising and often labelled MIDI POST or > similar, in this style > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post_box_CH49_15_in_Sainsbury,_Upton.jpg > I understand these were “private” in RM terms and the third party which > managed them went into administration, following which most were removed. > However due to RM’s inconsistent data some appear in the 2013 FOI release. > > > > Is there an appropriate way to handle the first two cases? Should they be > in OSM at all, or shown with a tag to indicate restricted access? > > > > As for the Sainsbury’s boxes it may be the best thing is to treat all of > them as requiring a check to confirm whether the facility still exists. > > > > > > Dan > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Private and restricted access post boxes
So it's March, the sun is shining here and it's time to go back out in pursuit of post boxes and other OSM things. While working through the CT postal area three things have come up which maybe need further thought: - Some boxes are located within MOD or other restricted access sites. To those inside the fence they are normal facilities but perhaps they're not an "amenity" in the sense of being available to the general public. This also tends to inhibit surveying. - Royal Mail data from 2013 in some cases includes "private boxes", one local example is in the reception area of an hotel. There is a mail collection from the building but there's a conventional pillar box within 200 m. These probably aren't an "amenity" in general terms. The RM data treats them inconsistently, they're not all listed. - There are boxes inside some supermarkets. They are also on private property however the public is encouraged to visit the premises. Those in Tesco and Asda, maybe others, tend to be tall GRP boxes of this style (a variation with clear back is used at airports and other places where security might be a concern) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post_box_at_ASDA,_Smithdown_Road.jpg . These are owned and operated by RM in the normal fashion. In the past Sainsbury's had boxes carrying advertising and often labelled MIDI POST or similar, in this style https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post_box_CH49_15_in_Sainsbury,_Upton .jpg I understand these were "private" in RM terms and the third party which managed them went into administration, following which most were removed. However due to RM's inconsistent data some appear in the 2013 FOI release. Is there an appropriate way to handle the first two cases? Should they be in OSM at all, or shown with a tag to indicate restricted access? As for the Sainsbury's boxes it may be the best thing is to treat all of them as requiring a check to confirm whether the facility still exists. Dan ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
