Re: [Talk-GB] Showgrounds (tagging)

[SK53]

Hi Ian,

Judging by this

the government (Valuation Office) has also come to that conclusion. Some
interesting snippets about how showgrounds developed in the text. Anyway
I'd agree that  landuse=commercial may also be appropriate, and will
probably depend on local conditions. For instance Rutland sold-off the
original showground for housing, so are presumably cash rich, but  don't
think they have many big events so the grounds are used by sports clubs.


Jery

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 at 21:11, Ian Caldwell 
wrote:

> For the  Three Counties Showground in Malvern
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/35432806 is tagged with
> landuse=commercial. Any given the number of events there most of which are
> commercial. Commercial would be correct. That how the NEC is mapped
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/243830271.
>
> Ian
>
>
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 at 20:55, SK53  wrote:
>
>> I just came across  an
>> agricultural showground tagged as leisure=park and realised I didn't know
>> what a sensible way to retag it would be. Although there are a limited
>> number in the UK (perhaps 100 or so) they do tend to be quite prominent and
>> when major events take place at them (e.g., Scout Jamborees, National
>> Eisteddfod) good tagging can be useful. I recall Richard Bullock mapping
>> the Royal Cheshire quite a few years ago as it helped parents pick up their
>> children after the scout Jamboree.
>>
>> Various (inconsistent) approaches have been used:
>>
>> * Newark  & Norfolk
>>  mapped as tourism=attraction
>> * Rutland  as
>> leisure=recreation_ground (there are certainly sports pitches here out of
>> events)
>> * Royal Cheshire  as
>> amenity=showground with landuse=grass.
>>
>> It strikes me that how grounds are a special type of events venue and
>> perhaps rather than using amenity=showground it may be better to use
>> amenity=events_venue with a subtag events_venue=showground. leisure &
>> tourism tags may still be applicable, and landuse=grass can still be (mis-)
>> used to show the area (see Newark & Royal Cheshire). Alternatives might be
>> amenity=exhibition_centre, but this seems more for places like the NEC. The
>> current wiki description circumscribes events venues fairly closely, so
>> this would be an extension in meaning.
>>
>> I don't think anything in the UK (or Europe) is quite on the scale of the 
>> Minnesota
>> State Fair  which certainly
>> merits tourism=attraction.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> Any thoughts,
>>
>> Jerry
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Re: [Talk-GB] Showgrounds (tagging)

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-GB]

For the  Three Counties Showground in Malvern
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/35432806 is tagged with
landuse=commercial. Any given the number of events there most of which are
commercial. Commercial would be correct. That how the NEC is mapped
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/243830271.

Ian


On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 at 20:55, SK53  wrote:

> I just came across  an
> agricultural showground tagged as leisure=park and realised I didn't know
> what a sensible way to retag it would be. Although there are a limited
> number in the UK (perhaps 100 or so) they do tend to be quite prominent and
> when major events take place at them (e.g., Scout Jamborees, National
> Eisteddfod) good tagging can be useful. I recall Richard Bullock mapping
> the Royal Cheshire quite a few years ago as it helped parents pick up their
> children after the scout Jamboree.
>
> Various (inconsistent) approaches have been used:
>
> * Newark  & Norfolk
>  mapped as tourism=attraction
> * Rutland  as
> leisure=recreation_ground (there are certainly sports pitches here out of
> events)
> * Royal Cheshire  as
> amenity=showground with landuse=grass.
>
> It strikes me that how grounds are a special type of events venue and
> perhaps rather than using amenity=showground it may be better to use
> amenity=events_venue with a subtag events_venue=showground. leisure &
> tourism tags may still be applicable, and landuse=grass can still be (mis-)
> used to show the area (see Newark & Royal Cheshire). Alternatives might be
> amenity=exhibition_centre, but this seems more for places like the NEC. The
> current wiki description circumscribes events venues fairly closely, so
> this would be an extension in meaning.
>
> I don't think anything in the UK (or Europe) is quite on the scale of the 
> Minnesota
> State Fair  which certainly
> merits tourism=attraction.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry
>
> Any thoughts,
>
> Jerry
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[Talk-GB] Showgrounds (tagging)

[SK53]

I just came across  an
agricultural showground tagged as leisure=park and realised I didn't know
what a sensible way to retag it would be. Although there are a limited
number in the UK (perhaps 100 or so) they do tend to be quite prominent and
when major events take place at them (e.g., Scout Jamborees, National
Eisteddfod) good tagging can be useful. I recall Richard Bullock mapping
the Royal Cheshire quite a few years ago as it helped parents pick up their
children after the scout Jamboree.

Various (inconsistent) approaches have been used:

* Newark  & Norfolk
 mapped as tourism=attraction
* Rutland  as
leisure=recreation_ground (there are certainly sports pitches here out of
events)
* Royal Cheshire  as
amenity=showground with landuse=grass.

It strikes me that how grounds are a special type of events venue and
perhaps rather than using amenity=showground it may be better to use
amenity=events_venue with a subtag events_venue=showground. leisure &
tourism tags may still be applicable, and landuse=grass can still be (mis-)
used to show the area (see Newark & Royal Cheshire). Alternatives might be
amenity=exhibition_centre, but this seems more for places like the NEC. The
current wiki description circumscribes events venues fairly closely, so
this would be an extension in meaning.

I don't think anything in the UK (or Europe) is quite on the scale of
the Minnesota
State Fair  which certainly
merits tourism=attraction.

Regards,

Jerry

Any thoughts,

Jerry
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