Re: [Talk-GB] Valuation Office Agency council tax data (was postcode mapping (was Re: Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only))

2019-07-30 Thread David Woolley

On 30/07/2019 15:12, Stephen Colebourne wrote:

What about the Valuation Office Agency council tax data?
http://cti.voa.gov.uk/cti/inits.asp

I found this recently, and it allows you to lookup from a postcode to
the individual addresses (presumably in their standard recognised
form). I've not used the data, although I'd love to because it is so
good.


Anything giving standard form is going to be a derivative of PAF and/or 
UPRN databases.


The argument for the food safety data is the addresses are as provided 
by the business.  The reason you can't use Land Registry information is 
that the addresses have been validated.


I suspect the Post Office might challenge even the food safety data if 
OSM postcode coverages started to seriously compete.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Valuation Office Agency council tax data (was postcode mapping (was Re: Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only))

2019-07-30 Thread Tom Hughes

On 30/07/2019 15:12, Stephen Colebourne wrote:


Is it open data? Well, it has "Crown Copyright" at the bottom, so
maybe? I'd love to know if this dataset has been considered before, as
it can turn a postcode into something wereally need.


What part of "crown copyright" says "open data" to you?

What it says to me is "copyright for 50 years from the end of
the year when it was published" so unless there is some license
allowing it's use then no, it can't be used.

Tom

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[Talk-GB] Valuation Office Agency council tax data (was postcode mapping (was Re: Automated Code-Point Open postcode editing (simple cases only))

2019-07-30 Thread Stephen Colebourne
What about the Valuation Office Agency council tax data?
http://cti.voa.gov.uk/cti/inits.asp

I found this recently, and it allows you to lookup from a postcode to
the individual addresses (presumably in their standard recognised
form). I've not used the data, although I'd love to because it is so
good.

Is it open data? Well, it has "Crown Copyright" at the bottom, so
maybe? I'd love to know if this dataset has been considered before, as
it can turn a postcode into something wereally need.

If I've understood the rules, the data could be used in reverse ie. to
use as clues to try and confirm when surveying, so long as only the
things you see on the ground are added?

Stephen


On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 at 14:54, David Woolley  wrote:
>
> On 30/07/2019 14:19, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> > Is it typical for post codes to be posted like housenumbers? Either on
> > buildings or postboxes?
>
> Postcodes almost never.  The only time you would normally find them is
> where the building is a company's registered office.
>
> Housenumbers seem to be only on (gut feeling) about 30% of houses these
> days, and maybe 5% of commercial premises.  (When they are on houses,
> they are typically unreadable after dark.  Almost no-one has front gates
> any longer, which might have carried them in the past.)
>
> What appears on street signs and post boxes is the outbound postcode (up
> to the end of the first number).
>
> Businesses are required to provide an address for service in
> advertising, including web sites.  This may well be their accountant's.
> Electronically, they need to provide a geographic address, but, on
> paper, I think a PO Box number is acceptable.  Non-compliance is
> endemic, e.g. businesses only contactable over mobile phone numbers.
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