[Talk-GB] Very accurate GPS devices

2008-08-29 Thread Matthew Gates
Further to Ed's post, are there really GPS devices with one inch accuracy?

I could imagine letting a device sit for some time, and then averaging the 
position, which might lead to increased accuracy at the cost of 
long exposure time...  is that method used for surveying and so on?


Matthew


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Re: [Talk-GB] Very accurate GPS devices

2008-08-29 Thread Tom Hughes
Matthew Gates wrote:

 Further to Ed's post, are there really GPS devices with one inch accuracy?
 
 I could imagine letting a device sit for some time, and then averaging the 
 position, which might lead to increased accuracy at the cost of 
 long exposure time...  is that method used for surveying and so on?

He was referring to a combine using a DGPS system which has a base 
station at a fixed point on the farm whose location is well known. It 
then compares that known location to one calculated from the satellites 
in the normal and broadcasts the difference to the mobile received on 
the tractor/combine which uses the difference to correct it's own 
calculated position.

What that allows you to do is to compensate for inaccuracy caused by 
local atmospheric conditions as you are generating a correction based on 
a local base station.

Tom

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Re: [Talk-GB] Very accurate GPS devices

2008-08-29 Thread Steve Hill
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008, Tom Hughes wrote:

 He was referring to a combine using a DGPS system which has a base
 station at a fixed point on the farm whose location is well known. It
 then compares that known location to one calculated from the satellites
 in the normal and broadcasts the difference to the mobile received on
 the tractor/combine which uses the difference to correct it's own
 calculated position.

A DGPS station actually works out how big an error each received 
satellite signal has and transmits that data to the (mobile) GPS receiver, 
which then applies the correction _before_ calculating the location. 
(i.e. the DGPS signal contains the timing errors for each satellite rather 
than the errors in the coordinates, since the errors in the calculated 
coordinates would depend on which satellites the GPS is using, which is 
something the DGPS transmitter doesn't know).

I suspect that a system that accurate is probably not just using DGPS 
though - it probably has a set of ground-based transmitters at known 
locations that it uses for ranging as well.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Very accurate GPS devices

2008-08-29 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Matthew Gates wrote:

 Further to Ed's post, are there really GPS devices with one inch accuracy?

 I could imagine letting a device sit for some time, and then averaging the
 position, which might lead to increased accuracy at the cost of
 long exposure time...  is that method used for surveying and so on?

 He was referring to a combine using a DGPS system which has a base
 station at a fixed point on the farm whose location is well known. It
 then compares that known location to one calculated from the satellites
 in the normal and broadcasts the difference to the mobile received on
 the tractor/combine which uses the difference to correct it's own
 calculated position.

 What that allows you to do is to compensate for inaccuracy caused by
 local atmospheric conditions as you are generating a correction based on
 a local base station.

... and then the final stage is carrier-phase enhancement, which gets
you down to the one-inch accuracy. It tells you what fraction of a
wavelength of the GPS carrier signal you are out by compared to the
base station, but not how far away you are. So if you can use DGPS to
get down to a 20cm location, the CPGPS will tell you whereabouts in
that particular box you must be.

The guy from the OS at SOTM did a fairly good job of explaining it the
difference between DGPS and CPGPS - I don't think wikipedia helps
much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System#Accuracy_enhancement

Cheers,
Andy

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