Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England
The results: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38568893 On 11/01/2017 12:23, Jez Nicholson wrote: Baldwin Street in New Zealand has been named the World's steepest residential street at 35%. John Murray from Murray Data caused a bit of a stir by claiming St Marys Hill, Chester was steeper at 36% http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/chester-mocked-kiwi-cousins-over-12414920 but was beaten down because it is no longer open to traffic. Now the Beeb are looking for a challenger http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38568889 "the road must be open to the public through pedestrians and motorised traffic" Anyone going to have a go? Regards, Jez ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England
That's pretty steep. I'm also thinking of Keere Street, Lewes https://goo.gl/maps/uBRWoaSXx122 but i'm sure that i've seen some ridiculous ones in tiny Cornish villages On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 10:19 John Sturdy wrote: > North Lane in Bath ( > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/2955824#map=19/51.37754/-2.33364) is > very steep, but only side entrances to houses open onto it, so I'm not sure > whether it counts fully as residential. > > __John > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:42 AM, Dave F > wrote: > > > On 12/01/2017 01:02, Robert Norris wrote: > > Ffordd_Pen_Llech is steep but it's one way (down), so if you're looking > for challenge to go up it on your bicycle you have to do so illegally. > > Apparently Vale Street (http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32024547) in > Bristol is meant to be very steep, but I don't know the incline. (Doesn't > seem to have incline posted looking at GSV. DaveF: Was this the road you > were thinking of or something in Bath?) > > > Just outside: > > https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3977312,-2.2940096,3a,88.4y,62.25h,61.15t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sedHvMRtPcF5jZw2uQdD4Hw!2e0 > > It may not be the steepest, but it gives your calf muscles a good work > out. That bend in the road is the real killer on a bike. > > DaveF > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England
North Lane in Bath ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/2955824#map=19/51.37754/-2.33364) is very steep, but only side entrances to houses open onto it, so I'm not sure whether it counts fully as residential. __John On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:42 AM, Dave F wrote: > > On 12/01/2017 01:02, Robert Norris wrote: > >> Ffordd_Pen_Llech is steep but it's one way (down), so if you're looking >> for challenge to go up it on your bicycle you have to do so illegally. >> >> Apparently Vale Street (http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32024547) in >> Bristol is meant to be very steep, but I don't know the incline. (Doesn't >> seem to have incline posted looking at GSV. DaveF: Was this the road you >> were thinking of or something in Bath?) >> > > Just outside: > https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3977312,-2.2940096,3a,88.4 > y,62.25h,61.15t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sedHvMRtPcF5jZw2uQdD4Hw!2e0 > > It may not be the steepest, but it gives your calf muscles a good work > out. That bend in the road is the real killer on a bike. > > DaveF > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England
On 12/01/2017 01:02, Robert Norris wrote: Ffordd_Pen_Llech is steep but it's one way (down), so if you're looking for challenge to go up it on your bicycle you have to do so illegally. Apparently Vale Street (http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32024547) in Bristol is meant to be very steep, but I don't know the incline. (Doesn't seem to have incline posted looking at GSV. DaveF: Was this the road you were thinking of or something in Bath?) Just outside: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.3977312,-2.2940096,3a,88.4y,62.25h,61.15t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sedHvMRtPcF5jZw2uQdD4Hw!2e0 It may not be the steepest, but it gives your calf muscles a good work out. That bend in the road is the real killer on a bike. DaveF --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England
I am slowing working through a project to answer this via data. My plan is to create an open data set of gradient markers for OSM and I’ve had some preliminary success https://github.com/nautoguide/gradient_markers <https://github.com/nautoguide/gradient_markers> > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 11:38:01 + > From: Paul Berry > To: Mike Evans > Cc: "Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org" > Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I'm only too aware of that, long after I posted. Bit embarrassing for > someone who looks at maps for fun. > > Regards, > *Paul* > > On 12 January 2017 at 09:46, Mike Evans wrote: > >> On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 14:06:32 + >> Paul Berry wrote: >> >>> I always thought Harlech laid claim to this at ~40% >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ffordd_Pen_Llech >>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/71230443 >>> >>> Regards, >>> *Paul* >>> >> But the question states *England* and since Harlech is in Wales in doesn't >> qualify. :) >> >> Lost(in Wales)Mike >> >> >> -- >> PGP key: >> http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xDB8F7CF1C67BBC0F >> >> ___ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/attachments/20170112/ca426be8/attachment.html> > > -- > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > -- > > End of Talk-GB Digest, Vol 124, Issue 22 > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England
I'm only too aware of that, long after I posted. Bit embarrassing for someone who looks at maps for fun. Regards, *Paul* On 12 January 2017 at 09:46, Mike Evans wrote: > On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 14:06:32 + > Paul Berry wrote: > > > I always thought Harlech laid claim to this at ~40% > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ffordd_Pen_Llech > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/71230443 > > > > Regards, > > *Paul* > > > But the question states *England* and since Harlech is in Wales in doesn't > qualify. :) > > Lost(in Wales)Mike > > > -- > PGP key: > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xDB8F7CF1C67BBC0F > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England
On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 14:06:32 + Paul Berry wrote: > I always thought Harlech laid claim to this at ~40% > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ffordd_Pen_Llech > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/71230443 > > Regards, > *Paul* > But the question states *England* and since Harlech is in Wales in doesn't qualify. :) Lost(in Wales)Mike -- PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xDB8F7CF1C67BBC0F ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England
Ffordd_Pen_Llech is steep but it's one way (down), so if you're looking for challenge to go up it on your bicycle you have to do so illegally. Apparently Vale Street (http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32024547) in Bristol is meant to be very steep, but I don't know the incline. (Doesn't seem to have incline posted looking at GSV. DaveF: Was this the road you were thinking of or something in Bath?) The posted incline (at least in the UK) is the maximum gradient. This is also the definition used in OSM, see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:incline Note that they mostly seem to be signed as 20%, 25% & 33% & 40% - so mostly a percentage version of the 1 in 5, 1 in 4, 1 in 3 gradients. Thus you don't tend to get gradients of 22%, 23% etc... So it seems the posted value is often rounded one way or another and certainly cycling up differing hills I've found some seem easier/harder than expected given the signed value. An interesting list of steep roads is here: https://roadcyclinguk.com/sportive/ten-uks-steepest-climbs.html/ Previously this steepest road question has been pondered several times. One interesting thread is here: http://www.intelligentanswers.co.uk/index.php?topic=2962.0 Notionally the average gradient could be worked out fairly easy with reasonable SRTM or better LIDAR data or possibly given a number of GPX files to analyse - although I don't know whether any of these methods would give an accurate enough answer to be of comparable use. Certainly for shorter (i.e. residential rather than long mountain/big hill climbs) road (such as Vale Street) the margin in error of the elevation readings will be considerable compared to the road length such that the calculated gradients could be very unreliable. Some work on trying to auto calculate gradients can be found here: https://github.com/nautoguide/gradient_markers -- Be Seeing You - Rob. If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving isn't for you. From: Dave F Sent: 11 January 2017 22:04:03 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England On 11/01/2017 18:18, Jez Nicholson wrote: > Google is telling me Hardknott Pass and Rosedale Chimney Bank at 33% > for England. > > They used to do hill-climb car racing up Porlock Hill in Exmoor but > that is reported as a mere 25% > > I can't help but think that there are some short side-roads that are > steeper. They may also have further criteria for the 'World Record'. > Indeed, "criteria" is paramount. Porlock & one in my vicinity is marked as only 25%. I'm pretty sure sections within them are a bit steeper than that. Can anyone clarify that it's an average over the whole rise or the maximum gradient? DaveF. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England
On 11/01/2017 18:18, Jez Nicholson wrote: Google is telling me Hardknott Pass and Rosedale Chimney Bank at 33% for England. They used to do hill-climb car racing up Porlock Hill in Exmoor but that is reported as a mere 25% I can't help but think that there are some short side-roads that are steeper. They may also have further criteria for the 'World Record'. Indeed, "criteria" is paramount. Porlock & one in my vicinity is marked as only 25%. I'm pretty sure sections within them are a bit steeper than that. Can anyone clarify that it's an average over the whole rise or the maximum gradient? DaveF. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England
On 11/01/2017 14:37, SK53 wrote: Now the question is a) is there any Lidar data; and b) has John Murray processed it! ...Or if, indeed, it is in England. DaveF --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England
Google is telling me Hardknott Pass and Rosedale Chimney Bank at 33% for England. They used to do hill-climb car racing up Porlock Hill in Exmoor but that is reported as a mere 25% I can't help but think that there are some short side-roads that are steeper. They may also have further criteria for the 'World Record'. On Wed, 11 Jan 2017 at 14:37 SK53 wrote: > Now the question is a) is there any Lidar data; and b) has John Murray > processed it! > > > On 11 January 2017 at 14:06, Paul Berry wrote: > > I always thought Harlech laid claim to this at ~40% > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ffordd_Pen_Llech > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/71230443 > > Regards, > *Paul* > > On 11 January 2017 at 12:23, Jez Nicholson > wrote: > > Baldwin Street in New Zealand has been named the World's steepest > residential street at 35%. John Murray from Murray Data caused a bit of a > stir by claiming St Marys Hill, Chester was steeper at 36% > http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/chester-mocked-kiwi-cousins-over-12414920 > but > was beaten down because it is no longer open to traffic. > > Now the Beeb are looking for a challenger > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38568889 > > "the road must be open to the public through pedestrians and motorised > traffic" > > Anyone going to have a go? > > Regards, > Jez > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England
Now the question is a) is there any Lidar data; and b) has John Murray processed it! On 11 January 2017 at 14:06, Paul Berry wrote: > I always thought Harlech laid claim to this at ~40% > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ffordd_Pen_Llech > http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/71230443 > > Regards, > *Paul* > > On 11 January 2017 at 12:23, Jez Nicholson > wrote: > >> Baldwin Street in New Zealand has been named the World's steepest >> residential street at 35%. John Murray from Murray Data caused a bit of a >> stir by claiming St Marys Hill, Chester was steeper at 36% >> http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news >> /chester-mocked-kiwi-cousins-over-12414920 but was beaten down because >> it is no longer open to traffic. >> >> Now the Beeb are looking for a challenger http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-e >> ngland-38568889 >> >> "the road must be open to the public through pedestrians and motorised >> traffic" >> >> Anyone going to have a go? >> >> Regards, >> Jez >> >> ___ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> >> > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England
I always thought Harlech laid claim to this at ~40% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ffordd_Pen_Llech http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/71230443 Regards, *Paul* On 11 January 2017 at 12:23, Jez Nicholson wrote: > Baldwin Street in New Zealand has been named the World's steepest > residential street at 35%. John Murray from Murray Data caused a bit of a > stir by claiming St Marys Hill, Chester was steeper at 36% > http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire- > news/chester-mocked-kiwi-cousins-over-12414920 but was beaten down > because it is no longer open to traffic. > > Now the Beeb are looking for a challenger http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk- > england-38568889 > > "the road must be open to the public through pedestrians and motorised > traffic" > > Anyone going to have a go? > > Regards, > Jez > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] the steepest residential street in England
Baldwin Street in New Zealand has been named the World's steepest residential street at 35%. John Murray from Murray Data caused a bit of a stir by claiming St Marys Hill, Chester was steeper at 36% http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/chester-mocked-kiwi-cousins-over-12414920 but was beaten down because it is no longer open to traffic. Now the Beeb are looking for a challenger http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38568889 "the road must be open to the public through pedestrians and motorised traffic" Anyone going to have a go? Regards, Jez ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
