Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-30 Thread Colin Smale
I have commented on a major change to the admin boundary between
Richmond and Hounslow, but there are a number of other changes in the
same area including a rather suspicious "kink" in the Chertsey Road.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.44262/-0.36386 

The "Lincoln Arena" seems to have disappeared (still visible on old
tiles) - no idea if this is part of the same edit, or whether it's
correct. 

On 2020-03-30 19:58, Andy Townsend wrote:

> I've sent another "message to be read before continuing to edit" 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3592 . 
> 
> It'd be good if everyone could have a look at 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995 and comment there if there 
> are further problems (I've added the first obvious question).  I've 
> explicitly said at the current block that they should answer questions that 
> have been asked before any more editing. 
> 
> Best Regards, 
> 
> Andy
> 
> On 30/03/2020 18:35, Colin Smale wrote: 
> 
> He's back, and he's unimpressed... 
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995 
> 
> "Reverted edits as many of mine were falsely removed"
> 
> On 2020-03-25 21:54, Andy Townsend wrote: 
> On 25/03/2020 16:02, Jez Nicholson wrote: 
> Heh, none of the references on the Wikipedia page link to anything mentioning 
> that it exists. I call bullsh/t 
> 
> Indeed - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tfondie does not look 
> promising. 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Andrew Hain  
> wrote: 
> 
> I wonder if Tfondie who created the Wikipedia page may be the same person.

I've "sent them a message that they have to read before continuing to
edit" at https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3585 . 

We'll see what happens next; if there's no reply after a week or so I'll
revert their remaining edits that haven't since been edited by other
users; most have been reverted already but some (such as
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/783299940 ) remain and look somewhat
implausible. 

Best Regards, 

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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-30 Thread Mark Goodge



On 30/03/2020 19:08, Steve Doerr wrote:
Is this relevant/ 
https://ecoworldlondon.com/places-to-live/current/verdo-kew-bridge


Yes; that's also the subject of a Wikipedia page that appears to have 
been created by the same person. It's the promotional name of a new 
housing development, not a real place name, and as such is neither 
notable enough for Wikipedia nor relevant to OSM.


Of course, names of new developments may, over time, enter common use as 
the name of the place, and as and when that does happen there's no 
reason why they shouldn't be mapped. But the mapping has to follow real 
world usage, not precede it.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-30 Thread Andy Townsend
That was the only non-OSM link I could find too.  It just looks like 
estate agents' guff, not an actual suburb (or indeed a town, which it 
was added as at one point I believe).


Best Regards,

Andy

On 30/03/2020 19:08, Steve Doerr wrote:
Is this relevant/ 
https://ecoworldlondon.com/places-to-live/current/verdo-kew-bridge


Steve


On 30/03/2020 18:58, Andy Townsend wrote:


I've sent another "message to be read before continuing to edit" 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3592 .


It'd be good if everyone could have a look at 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995 and comment there if 
there are further problems (I've added the first obvious question).  
I've explicitly said at the current block that they should answer 
questions that have been asked before any more editing.


Best Regards,

Andy

On 30/03/2020 18:35, Colin Smale wrote:


He's back, and he's unimpressed...

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995

"Reverted edits as many of mine were falsely removed"


On 2020-03-25 21:54, Andy Townsend wrote:


On 25/03/2020 16:02, Jez Nicholson wrote:
Heh, none of the references on the Wikipedia page link to anything 
mentioning that it exists. I call bullsh/t


Indeed - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tfondie does not 
look promising.





On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Andrew Hain 
mailto:andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk>> 
wrote:


I wonder if Tfondie who created the Wikipedia page may be the
same person.

I've "sent them a message that they have to read before continuing 
to edit" at https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3585 .


We'll see what happens next; if there's no reply after a week or so 
I'll revert their remaining edits that haven't since been edited by 
other users; most have been reverted already but some (such as 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/783299940 ) remain and look 
somewhat implausible.


Best Regards,

Andy (from the DWG)




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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-30 Thread SK53
The update of the former Wickes to Lidl in Fulwell (next to the bus garage)
looks OK. Stadium Village is, of course, complete nonsense (I lived in the
immediate area for 7 years, worked in it for an additional 4).

Jerry

On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 at 18:59, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> I've sent another "message to be read before continuing to edit"
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3592 .
>
> It'd be good if everyone could have a look at
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995 and comment there if
> there are further problems (I've added the first obvious question).  I've
> explicitly said at the current block that they should answer questions that
> have been asked before any more editing.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
> On 30/03/2020 18:35, Colin Smale wrote:
>
> He's back, and he's unimpressed...
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995
>
> "Reverted edits as many of mine were falsely removed"
>
>
>
> On 2020-03-25 21:54, Andy Townsend wrote:
>
> On 25/03/2020 16:02, Jez Nicholson wrote:
>
> Heh, none of the references on the Wikipedia page link to anything
> mentioning that it exists. I call bullsh/t
>
> Indeed - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tfondie does not look
> promising.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Andrew Hain 
> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if Tfondie who created the Wikipedia page may be the same person.
>>
> I've "sent them a message that they have to read before continuing to
> edit" at https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3585 .
>
> We'll see what happens next; if there's no reply after a week or so I'll
> revert their remaining edits that haven't since been edited by other users;
> most have been reverted already but some (such as
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/783299940 ) remain and look somewhat
> implausible.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy (from the DWG)
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-30 Thread Steve Doerr
Is this relevant/ 
https://ecoworldlondon.com/places-to-live/current/verdo-kew-bridge


Steve


On 30/03/2020 18:58, Andy Townsend wrote:


I've sent another "message to be read before continuing to edit" 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3592 .


It'd be good if everyone could have a look at 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995 and comment there if 
there are further problems (I've added the first obvious question).  
I've explicitly said at the current block that they should answer 
questions that have been asked before any more editing.


Best Regards,

Andy

On 30/03/2020 18:35, Colin Smale wrote:


He's back, and he's unimpressed...

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995

"Reverted edits as many of mine were falsely removed"


On 2020-03-25 21:54, Andy Townsend wrote:


On 25/03/2020 16:02, Jez Nicholson wrote:
Heh, none of the references on the Wikipedia page link to anything 
mentioning that it exists. I call bullsh/t


Indeed - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tfondie does not 
look promising.





On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Andrew Hain 
mailto:andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk>> 
wrote:


I wonder if Tfondie who created the Wikipedia page may be the
same person.

I've "sent them a message that they have to read before continuing 
to edit" at https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3585 .


We'll see what happens next; if there's no reply after a week or so 
I'll revert their remaining edits that haven't since been edited by 
other users; most have been reverted already but some (such as 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/783299940 ) remain and look 
somewhat implausible.


Best Regards,

Andy (from the DWG)




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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-30 Thread Andy Townsend
I've sent another "message to be read before continuing to edit" 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3592 .


It'd be good if everyone could have a look at 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995 and comment there if 
there are further problems (I've added the first obvious question).  
I've explicitly said at the current block that they should answer 
questions that have been asked before any more editing.


Best Regards,

Andy

On 30/03/2020 18:35, Colin Smale wrote:


He's back, and he's unimpressed...

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995

"Reverted edits as many of mine were falsely removed"


On 2020-03-25 21:54, Andy Townsend wrote:


On 25/03/2020 16:02, Jez Nicholson wrote:
Heh, none of the references on the Wikipedia page link to anything 
mentioning that it exists. I call bullsh/t


Indeed - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tfondie does not 
look promising.





On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Andrew Hain 
mailto:andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk>> 
wrote:


I wonder if Tfondie who created the Wikipedia page may be the
same person.

I've "sent them a message that they have to read before continuing to 
edit" at https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3585 .


We'll see what happens next; if there's no reply after a week or so 
I'll revert their remaining edits that haven't since been edited by 
other users; most have been reverted already but some (such as 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/783299940 ) remain and look 
somewhat implausible.


Best Regards,

Andy (from the DWG)




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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-30 Thread Colin Smale
He's back, and he's unimpressed... 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/82834995 

"Reverted edits as many of mine were falsely removed"

On 2020-03-25 21:54, Andy Townsend wrote:

> On 25/03/2020 16:02, Jez Nicholson wrote: 
> 
>> Heh, none of the references on the Wikipedia page link to anything 
>> mentioning that it exists. I call bullsh/t
> 
> Indeed - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tfondie does not look 
> promising. 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Andrew Hain  
> wrote: 
> 
> I wonder if Tfondie who created the Wikipedia page may be the same person.

I've "sent them a message that they have to read before continuing to
edit" at https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3585 . 

We'll see what happens next; if there's no reply after a week or so I'll
revert their remaining edits that haven't since been edited by other
users; most have been reverted already but some (such as
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/783299940 ) remain and look somewhat
implausible. 

Best Regards, 

Andy (from the DWG) 

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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-25 Thread Andy Townsend

On 25/03/2020 16:02, Jez Nicholson wrote:
Heh, none of the references on the Wikipedia page link to anything 
mentioning that it exists. I call bullsh/t


Indeed - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tfondie does not look 
promising.





On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Andrew Hain 
mailto:andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk>> wrote:


I wonder if Tfondie who created the Wikipedia page may be the same
person.

I've "sent them a message that they have to read before continuing to 
edit" at https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3585 .


We'll see what happens next; if there's no reply after a week or so I'll 
revert their remaining edits that haven't since been edited by other 
users; most have been reverted already but some (such as 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/783299940 ) remain and look somewhat 
implausible.


Best Regards,

Andy (from the DWG)



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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-25 Thread Jez Nicholson
Heh, none of the references on the Wikipedia page link to anything
mentioning that it exists. I call bullsh/t

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:34 PM Andrew Hain 
wrote:

> I wonder if Tfondie who created the Wikipedia page may be the same person.
>
> --
> Andrew
>
> --
> *From:* Andrew Hain 
> *Sent:* 23 March 2020 20:18
> *To:* Colin Smale 
> *Cc:* Talk-GB 
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?
>
> There is now a place name Stadium Village just north of Twickenham town
> centre that is unfamiliar to me (I live across the Thames). The linked
> Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_Village,_Middlesex
> exists but reads oddly.
>
> --
> Andrew
> --
> *From:* Andrew Hain 
> *Sent:* 21 March 2020 11:18
> *To:* Colin Smale 
> *Cc:* Talk-GB 
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?
>
> Further issues:
>
> Richmond rugby ground tagged addr:city=London Borough of Hounslow
> Middlesex changed to county
> Fulwell bus garage tagged name=Fulwell Bus Garage (Middlesex)
>
> There are some legitimate edits there such as shop=supermarket for Lidl
> Fulwell, payment tags for M Food To Go in Twickenham may be legitimate
> and the department store tagging was by another mapper by an editor preset.
>
> --
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>
> --------------
> *From:* Colin Smale 
> *Sent:* 20 March 2020 18:46
> *To:* Andrew Hain 
> *Cc:* Talk-GB 
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?
>
>
> On 2020-03-20 19:36, Andrew Hain wrote:
>
> Also changing the name tag for Eel Pie Island.
>
>
> Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed. I changed that one back, and
> left comments on a couple of other changes, but when I saw the rest I gave
> up.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-25 Thread Andrew Hain
I wonder if Tfondie who created the Wikipedia page may be the same person.

--
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From: Andrew Hain 
Sent: 23 March 2020 20:18
To: Colin Smale 
Cc: Talk-GB 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

There is now a place name Stadium Village just north of Twickenham town centre 
that is unfamiliar to me (I live across the Thames). The linked Wikipedia page 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_Village,_Middlesex exists but reads oddly.

--
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From: Andrew Hain 
Sent: 21 March 2020 11:18
To: Colin Smale 
Cc: Talk-GB 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

Further issues:

Richmond rugby ground tagged addr:city=London Borough of Hounslow
Middlesex changed to county
Fulwell bus garage tagged name=Fulwell Bus Garage (Middlesex)

There are some legitimate edits there such as shop=supermarket for Lidl 
Fulwell, payment tags for M Food To Go in Twickenham may be legitimate and 
the department store tagging was by another mapper by an editor preset.

--
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From: Colin Smale 
Sent: 20 March 2020 18:46
To: Andrew Hain 
Cc: Talk-GB 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?


On 2020-03-20 19:36, Andrew Hain wrote:

Also changing the name tag for Eel Pie Island.

Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed. I changed that one back, and left 
comments on a couple of other changes, but when I saw the rest I gave up.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-23 Thread Andrew Hain
There is now a place name Stadium Village just north of Twickenham town centre 
that is unfamiliar to me (I live across the Thames). The linked Wikipedia page 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadium_Village,_Middlesex exists but reads oddly.

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From: Andrew Hain 
Sent: 21 March 2020 11:18
To: Colin Smale 
Cc: Talk-GB 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

Further issues:

Richmond rugby ground tagged addr:city=London Borough of Hounslow
Middlesex changed to county
Fulwell bus garage tagged name=Fulwell Bus Garage (Middlesex)

There are some legitimate edits there such as shop=supermarket for Lidl 
Fulwell, payment tags for M Food To Go in Twickenham may be legitimate and 
the department store tagging was by another mapper by an editor preset.

--
Andrew


From: Colin Smale 
Sent: 20 March 2020 18:46
To: Andrew Hain 
Cc: Talk-GB 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?


On 2020-03-20 19:36, Andrew Hain wrote:

Also changing the name tag for Eel Pie Island.

Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed. I changed that one back, and left 
comments on a couple of other changes, but when I saw the rest I gave up.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On Fri, 2020-03-20 at 18:11 +0100, Colin Smale wrote:
> If there is anyone who keeps a weather eye on South-West London, in
> particular the Twickenham area, would they like to cast their eye
> over the changesets of a brand-new user "tommyf5"? He has been busy
> today making many changes that I would class as "fiddling" and don't
> look right, but a local eye would be beneficial. Examples are
> demoting St Margarets from suburb to neighbourhood, and renaming ways
> adjacent to a junction as "Whitton Road Intersection".
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tommyf5
> Thanks!
The mapper does now seem to have moved on to 'inventing' a
neighbourhood in Blaine, Minnesota.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/783304688 id="-x-evo-selection-start-marker">

Phil (trigpoint)

 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-22 Thread Andy Townsend

On 21/03/2020 11:18, Andrew Hain wrote:

Further issues:

Richmond rugby ground tagged addr:city=London Borough of Hounslow
Middlesex changed to county
Fulwell bus garage tagged name=Fulwell Bus Garage (Middlesex)

There are some legitimate edits there such as shop=supermarket for 
Lidl Fulwell, payment tags for M Food To Go in Twickenham may be 
legitimate and the department store tagging was by another mapper by 
an editor preset.




I saw the M one and suspect that the confusing tagging there is likely 
due to an iD editor restriction, not something that a new mapper is 
likely to be able to figure out how to fix. I've not been to Twickenham 
for many years and so can't comment on what the correct values would be 
there.


They haven't replied at 
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=10920176 - I 
suspects its a case of "all I wanted to do was edit things and now this 
thing keeps sending me messages!".  Their most recent OSM edits seem to 
be elsewhere.


I'd imagine that most of their problem edits can be tidied up manually 
(and thanks to all who have already done so), but if there's anything 
that can't please mail the DWG at d...@osmfoundation.org so that we can 
take a look.


Best Regards,

Andy

(from OSM's Data Working Group)



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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-21 Thread Andrew Hain
Further issues:

Richmond rugby ground tagged addr:city=London Borough of Hounslow
Middlesex changed to county
Fulwell bus garage tagged name=Fulwell Bus Garage (Middlesex)

There are some legitimate edits there such as shop=supermarket for Lidl 
Fulwell, payment tags for M Food To Go in Twickenham may be legitimate and 
the department store tagging was by another mapper by an editor preset.

--
Andrew


From: Colin Smale 
Sent: 20 March 2020 18:46
To: Andrew Hain 
Cc: Talk-GB 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?


On 2020-03-20 19:36, Andrew Hain wrote:

Also changing the name tag for Eel Pie Island.

Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed. I changed that one back, and left 
comments on a couple of other changes, but when I saw the rest I gave up.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-20 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-03-20 19:36, Andrew Hain wrote:

> Also changing the name tag for Eel Pie Island.

Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed. I changed that one back, and
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Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?

2020-03-20 Thread Andrew Hain
Also changing the name tag for Eel Pie Island.

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From: Colin Smale 
Sent: 20 March 2020 17:11
To: Talk-GB 
Subject: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?


If there is anyone who keeps a weather eye on South-West London, in particular 
the Twickenham area, would they like to cast their eye over the changesets of a 
brand-new user "tommyf5"? He has been busy today making many changes that I 
would class as "fiddling" and don't look right, but a local eye would be 
beneficial. Examples are demoting St Margarets from suburb to neighbourhood, 
and renaming ways adjacent to a junction as "Whitton Road Intersection".

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tommyf5

Thanks!

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