Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project - taginfo tracker

[Greg]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your email. Hope you don’t mind but I’ve cc’d Talk-GB in case this 
is relevant to anyone else.

Unfortunately there is a bit of a lag because the Geofabrik extract for Great 
Britain is a bit out of date by the time it’s downloaded. The extract that is 
available right now at > seems to have been up 
since about 6am and contains OSM data up to 8.28pm yesterday. 

However, the comparison tool downloaded its OSM data for today’s update very 
early this morning. This was updated at 5.45am yesterday so presumably contains 
OSM data up to approx. Tue 8.30pm (2 days ago). Hopefully your update will 
therefore appear on the comparison tool tomorrow…

It seemed best to update the comparison pages overnight to ease server load but 
I might look at updating them a little later in the day to take advantage of 
the more up-to-date Geofabrik extract. I’ve created a GitHub issue for this 
> and there is a 
pre-existing issue for displaying at the bottom of each page the age of the OSM 
data used >.

Best wishes,
Greg


> On 10 Nov 2016, at 16:48, Steve Doerr  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Greg.
> 
> Is your OSM extract updating OK? I've yet to see any effect from changes I 
> made in OSM on 8 November, e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4489442420 
> (in Gravesham).
> 
> Steve
> 
> On 09/11/2016 07:36, Greg wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’ve now implemented Steve’s request for more clickable links in the 
>> overview map for each district at 
>> . In addition to opening the web 
>> page for each FHRS establishment, you can now open the OSM page for each 
>> relevant node/way or load the node/way in JOSM. I decided to go with a JOSM 
>> link rather than a general one so that the ‘overview’ map links match the 
>> ‘suggested matches’ map links, which automatically add tags to the OSM 
>> node/way. Anyone not using JOSM can easily follow the OSM link and then 
>> click the Edit button.
>> 
>> I’ve also modified most links so that they open in a new tab/window by 
>> default as it seems more useful to be able to keep the map view open in the 
>> original tab/window.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Greg
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Oct 2016, at 22:22, Steve Doerr  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for providing this tool, Greg. I've found it very useful so far for 
>>> adding address information based on the possible matches identified on the 
>>> second map, where most of the dots have a link both to OSM and to the FHRS 
>>> entry.
>>> 
>>> However, I've now reached the stage where I need to look more at the upper 
>>> map, where there seem to be fewer clickable links. If you could provide 
>>> links to OSM for every dot on the map, that would be helpful. (If you're 
>>> showing them on your map, you must have derived a long/lat which you could 
>>> link to.)
>>> 
>>> Hoping that this is not an unreasonable request - and apologies if it is.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Steve
> 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project - taginfo tracker

[Steve Doerr]

On 09/11/2016 07:36, Greg wrote:

I’ve now implemented Steve’s request for more clickable links in the overview map for 
each district at . In addition to 
opening the web page for each FHRS establishment, you can now open the OSM page for 
each relevant node/way or load the node/way in JOSM. I decided to go with a JOSM link 
rather than a general one so that the ‘overview’ map links match the ‘suggested 
matches’ map links, which automatically add tags to the OSM node/way. Anyone not 
using JOSM can easily follow the OSM link and then click the Edit button.

I’ve also modified most links so that they open in a new tab/window by default 
as it seems more useful to be able to keep the map view open in the original 
tab/window.



That's great. Thanks, Greg!

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project - taginfo tracker

[Greg]

Hi all,

I’ve now implemented Steve’s request for more clickable links in the overview 
map for each district at . In 
addition to opening the web page for each FHRS establishment, you can now open 
the OSM page for each relevant node/way or load the node/way in JOSM. I decided 
to go with a JOSM link rather than a general one so that the ‘overview’ map 
links match the ‘suggested matches’ map links, which automatically add tags to 
the OSM node/way. Anyone not using JOSM can easily follow the OSM link and then 
click the Edit button.

I’ve also modified most links so that they open in a new tab/window by default 
as it seems more useful to be able to keep the map view open in the original 
tab/window.

Thanks,
Greg


> On 16 Oct 2016, at 22:22, Steve Doerr  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for providing this tool, Greg. I've found it very useful so far for 
> adding address information based on the possible matches identified on the 
> second map, where most of the dots have a link both to OSM and to the FHRS 
> entry.
> 
> However, I've now reached the stage where I need to look more at the upper 
> map, where there seem to be fewer clickable links. If you could provide links 
> to OSM for every dot on the map, that would be helpful. (If you're showing 
> them on your map, you must have derived a long/lat which you could link to.)
> 
> Hoping that this is not an unreasonable request - and apologies if it is.
> 
> Regards,
> Steve


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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project - taginfo tracker

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 1 November 2016 at 10:14, Greg  wrote:
> It looks like the FSA or local authority has changed the FHRS IDs for a
> large number of establishments since they were inputted into OSM. For
> example Dyce Academy:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/237994869
> OSM fhrs:id: 15
>
> http://ratings.food.gov.uk/business/en-GB/592901/DYCE-ACADEMY-(GDS)-Dyce
> Latest FHRS ID: 592901

I don't suppose there's any way of getting a list with all the "old
number, new number" pairs in it, and then using that to do some sort
of bulk update of the Aberdeen fhrs:id tags is there? It would be a
shame if someone has to manually fix all those numbers. (If someone
can get a list I might be able to do the second part.)

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project - taginfo tracker

[Jez Nicholson]

Looking at the graphs, I wonder what happened to Aberdeen? Seems to have
350+ fhrs:ids that weren't expected.
http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/district-369.html

On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 at 14:25 Dave F  wrote:

> Much clearer, thanks
>
> DaveF
>
>
> On 30/10/2016 14:00, Greg wrote:
>
> Good point, Dave. The first graph previously included only OSM nodes/ways
> which had been fully matched with fhrs:id and postcode but I have now
> amended the first graph and the ‘overall %’ graph to show nodes/ways with a
> mismatched/missing postcode too.
>
> If anyone would like to improve the graphs, you can find the RMarkdown
> code on GitHub here: [https://github.com/gregrs-uk/fhrs-osm-stats]
>
> Thanks,
> Greg.
>
>
> On 29 Oct 2016, at 13:17, Dave F  wrote:
>
> Hi Greg
>
> The first graph. Does that represent the addition of just the fhrs:id tag
> or with a postcode as well?
>
> Cheers
> DaveF
>
> On 29/10/2016 12:24, Greg wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I’ve created some graphs to show FHRS completeness and progress so that we
> can track the impact of the Quarterly Project. I hope to update the graphs
> weekly. Please do have a look here [
> http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/graphs.html] and let me
> know if you have any suggestions.
>
> The graphs have been created using freely available software (R and
> RStudio) so if anyone would like access to the code, please let me know and
> I can pop it on GitHub.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
>
> On 18 Oct 2016, at 20:28, Greg  wrote:
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> I’ve been working on some visual analysis of the CSV file data at [
> http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/] using R but it’s not
> quite ready for public viewing yet…
>
> I hope to show the most complete districts in terms of fhrs:id and
> postcode, the districts with the most errors, the districts with the most
> recent progress, the number of districts with zero matches and how that has
> changed, and the number of districts with certain levels of completeness
> (i.e. a histogram).
>
> Watch this space!
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
>
> On 18 Oct 2016, at 19:31, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> A bit delayed but I have added fhrs:id to the taginfo script I run. You
> can see progress for the last few days at:
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1693558506
>
> I really like the daily data that Greg produces. Is there anyone with some
> time to try to convert this into a chart/visual tracker? The data is at:
> http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/
>
> Best,
>
> *Rob*
>
> On 2 October 2016 at 15:38, Rob Nickerson 
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Which tags would you like me to set up a tag-info script for? We can then
> track these throughout the quarter.
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project - taginfo tracker

[Dave F]

Much clearer, thanks

DaveF

On 30/10/2016 14:00, Greg wrote:
Good point, Dave. The first graph previously included only OSM 
nodes/ways which had been fully matched with fhrs:id and postcode but 
I have now amended the first graph and the ‘overall %’ graph to show 
nodes/ways with a mismatched/missing postcode too.


If anyone would like to improve the graphs, you can find the RMarkdown 
code on GitHub here: [https://github.com/gregrs-uk/fhrs-osm-stats]


Thanks,
Greg.


On 29 Oct 2016, at 13:17, Dave F > wrote:


Hi Greg

The first graph. Does that represent the addition of just the fhrs:id 
tag or with a postcode as well?


Cheers
DaveF

On 29/10/2016 12:24, Greg wrote:

Hi all,

I’ve created some graphs to show FHRS completeness and progress so 
that we can track the impact of the Quarterly Project. I hope to 
update the graphs weekly. Please do have a look here 
[http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/graphs.html] and let 
me know if you have any suggestions.


The graphs have been created using freely available software (R and 
RStudio) so if anyone would like access to the code, please let me 
know and I can pop it on GitHub.


Thanks,
Greg


On 18 Oct 2016, at 20:28, Greg > wrote:


Hi Rob,

I’ve been working on some visual analysis of the CSV file data at 
[http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/] using R but it’s 
not quite ready for public viewing yet…


I hope to show the most complete districts in terms of fhrs:id and 
postcode, the districts with the most errors, the districts with 
the most recent progress, the number of districts with zero matches 
and how that has changed, and the number of districts with certain 
levels of completeness (i.e. a histogram).


Watch this space!

Thanks,
Greg


On 18 Oct 2016, at 19:31, Rob Nickerson > wrote:


Hi all,

A bit delayed but I have added fhrs:id to the taginfo script I 
run. You can see progress for the last few days at:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1693558506

I really like the daily data that Greg produces. Is there anyone 
with some time to try to convert this into a chart/visual tracker? 
The data is at: http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/


Best,

*Rob*

On 2 October 2016 at 15:38, Rob Nickerson 
> wrote:


Hi all,

Which tags would you like me to set up a tag-info script for?
We can then track these throughout the quarter.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project - taginfo tracker

[Greg]

Good point, Dave. The first graph previously included only OSM nodes/ways which 
had been fully matched with fhrs:id and postcode but I have now amended the 
first graph and the ‘overall %’ graph to show nodes/ways with a 
mismatched/missing postcode too.

If anyone would like to improve the graphs, you can find the RMarkdown code on 
GitHub here: [https://github.com/gregrs-uk/fhrs-osm-stats 
]

Thanks,
Greg.


> On 29 Oct 2016, at 13:17, Dave F  wrote:
> 
> Hi Greg
> 
> The first graph. Does that represent the addition of just the fhrs:id tag or 
> with a postcode as well?
> 
> Cheers
> DaveF
> 
> On 29/10/2016 12:24, Greg wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’ve created some graphs to show FHRS completeness and progress so that we 
>> can track the impact of the Quarterly Project. I hope to update the graphs 
>> weekly. Please do have a look here 
>> [http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/graphs.html 
>> ] and let me 
>> know if you have any suggestions.
>> 
>> The graphs have been created using freely available software (R and RStudio) 
>> so if anyone would like access to the code, please let me know and I can pop 
>> it on GitHub.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Greg
>> 
>> 
>>> On 18 Oct 2016, at 20:28, Greg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Rob,
>>> 
>>> I’ve been working on some visual analysis of the CSV file data at 
>>> [http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/ 
>>> ] using R but it’s not 
>>> quite ready for public viewing yet…
>>> 
>>> I hope to show the most complete districts in terms of fhrs:id and 
>>> postcode, the districts with the most errors, the districts with the most 
>>> recent progress, the number of districts with zero matches and how that has 
>>> changed, and the number of districts with certain levels of completeness 
>>> (i.e. a histogram).
>>> 
>>> Watch this space!
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>> 
 On 18 Oct 2016, at 19:31, Rob Nickerson > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 A bit delayed but I have added fhrs:id to the taginfo script I run. You 
 can see progress for the last few days at:
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1693558506
  
 
 
 I really like the daily data that Greg produces. Is there anyone with some 
 time to try to convert this into a chart/visual tracker? The data is at: 
 http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/ 
 
 
 Best,
 
 Rob
 
 On 2 October 2016 at 15:38, Rob Nickerson > wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 Which tags would you like me to set up a tag-info script for? We can then 
 track these throughout the quarter.
 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project - taginfo tracker

[Dave F]

Hi Greg

The first graph. Does that represent the addition of just the fhrs:id 
tag or with a postcode as well?


Cheers
DaveF

On 29/10/2016 12:24, Greg wrote:

Hi all,

I’ve created some graphs to show FHRS completeness and progress so 
that we can track the impact of the Quarterly Project. I hope to 
update the graphs weekly. Please do have a look here 
[http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/graphs.html] and let 
me know if you have any suggestions.


The graphs have been created using freely available software (R and 
RStudio) so if anyone would like access to the code, please let me 
know and I can pop it on GitHub.


Thanks,
Greg


On 18 Oct 2016, at 20:28, Greg > wrote:


Hi Rob,

I’ve been working on some visual analysis of the CSV file data at 
[http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/] using R but it’s 
not quite ready for public viewing yet…


I hope to show the most complete districts in terms of fhrs:id and 
postcode, the districts with the most errors, the districts with the 
most recent progress, the number of districts with zero matches and 
how that has changed, and the number of districts with certain levels 
of completeness (i.e. a histogram).


Watch this space!

Thanks,
Greg


On 18 Oct 2016, at 19:31, Rob Nickerson > wrote:


Hi all,

A bit delayed but I have added fhrs:id to the taginfo script I run. 
You can see progress for the last few days at:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1693558506

I really like the daily data that Greg produces. Is there anyone 
with some time to try to convert this into a chart/visual tracker? 
The data is at: http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/


Best,

*Rob*

On 2 October 2016 at 15:38, Rob Nickerson > wrote:


Hi all,

Which tags would you like me to set up a tag-info script for? We
can then track these throughout the quarter.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project - taginfo tracker

[Greg]

Hi all,

I’ve created some graphs to show FHRS completeness and progress so that we can 
track the impact of the Quarterly Project. I hope to update the graphs weekly. 
Please do have a look here 
[http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/graphs.html] and let me know if 
you have any suggestions.

The graphs have been created using freely available software (R and RStudio) so 
if anyone would like access to the code, please let me know and I can pop it on 
GitHub.

Thanks,
Greg


> On 18 Oct 2016, at 20:28, Greg  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rob,
> 
> I’ve been working on some visual analysis of the CSV file data at 
> [http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/ 
> ] using R but it’s not quite 
> ready for public viewing yet…
> 
> I hope to show the most complete districts in terms of fhrs:id and postcode, 
> the districts with the most errors, the districts with the most recent 
> progress, the number of districts with zero matches and how that has changed, 
> and the number of districts with certain levels of completeness (i.e. a 
> histogram).
> 
> Watch this space!
> 
> Thanks,
> Greg
> 
> 
>> On 18 Oct 2016, at 19:31, Rob Nickerson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> A bit delayed but I have added fhrs:id to the taginfo script I run. You can 
>> see progress for the last few days at:
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1693558506
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> I really like the daily data that Greg produces. Is there anyone with some 
>> time to try to convert this into a chart/visual tracker? The data is at: 
>> http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/ 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> On 2 October 2016 at 15:38, Rob Nickerson > > wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Which tags would you like me to set up a tag-info script for? We can then 
>> track these throughout the quarter.
>> 
>> Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly project - taginfo tracker

[Robert Norris]

Does anyone have any idea how best (if at all) to tag "mobile" caterers - e.g. 
Burger vans and variants thereof?


Some mobile caterers are truly mobile going to various events - and so 
obviously not for inclusion in OSM, however some are trade from a fixed 
location (or may be a couple?) although the mobile van will only physically be 
there around the actual opening hours. And then some practically never move at 
all[1].


I've been wary (thus never done it) about adding such places as 
'amenity=fast_food' for things that would not necessarily be physically there.


It seems to me the criteria is that the service would operate from some sort of 
hatch, such that the customer would be outside for both the ordering and 
consuming of goods - and theoretically the operator could easily move.


So:

"takeaway=only"
<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:seating=edit=1>

and/or<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:seating=edit=1>

"seating<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:seating=edit=1>=no<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:seating%3Dno=edit=1>"

+

"order=outside" ??

and/or

"caterer=mobile" ??

This is not strictly FHRS related, but they should have an FHRS entry.


[1] 
http://ratings.food.gov.uk/business/en-GB/68231/Mick's-Monster-Burgers-Portsmouth
 
/<http://ratings.food.gov.uk/business/en-GB/68231/Mick%27s-Monster-Burgers-Portsmouth>

http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2494365584

(This place is open 24/7 and a large container but the wheels seem permanently 
deflated, so hard to tell how movable it really is!)


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From: Greg <gre...@fastmail.co.uk>
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To: Rob Nickerson
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Hi Rob,

I've been working on some visual analysis of the CSV file data at 
[http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/] using R but it's not quite 
ready for public viewing yet...

I hope to show the most complete districts in terms of fhrs:id and postcode, 
the districts with the most errors, the districts with the most recent 
progress, the number of districts with zero matches and how that has changed, 
and the number of districts with certain levels of completeness (i.e. a 
histogram).

Watch this space!

Thanks,
Greg


On 18 Oct 2016, at 19:31, Rob Nickerson 
<rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com<mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

A bit delayed but I have added fhrs:id to the taginfo script I run. You can see 
progress for the last few days at:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1693558506

I really like the daily data that Greg produces. Is there anyone with some time 
to try to convert this into a chart/visual tracker? The data is at: 
http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/

Best,

Rob

On 2 October 2016 at 15:38, Rob Nickerson 
<rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com<mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

Which tags would you like me to set up a tag-info script for? We can then track 
these throughout the quarter.

Rob

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[Greg]

Hi Rob,

I’ve been working on some visual analysis of the CSV file data at 
[http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/] using R but it’s not quite 
ready for public viewing yet…

I hope to show the most complete districts in terms of fhrs:id and postcode, 
the districts with the most errors, the districts with the most recent 
progress, the number of districts with zero matches and how that has changed, 
and the number of districts with certain levels of completeness (i.e. a 
histogram).

Watch this space!

Thanks,
Greg


> On 18 Oct 2016, at 19:31, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> A bit delayed but I have added fhrs:id to the taginfo script I run. You can 
> see progress for the last few days at:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1693558506
>  
> 
> 
> I really like the daily data that Greg produces. Is there anyone with some 
> time to try to convert this into a chart/visual tracker? The data is at: 
> http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/ 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rob
> 
> On 2 October 2016 at 15:38, Rob Nickerson  > wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Which tags would you like me to set up a tag-info script for? We can then 
> track these throughout the quarter.
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[Steve Doerr]

On 17/10/2016 21:47, Greg wrote:

I think the most useful link would probably be one that loads the OSM 
node/way in JOSM using the remote control function in the same way 
that the suggested matches map links do. Obviously you’d have to put 
the address details into JOSM manually, but you could use the FHRS 
links on nearby blue dots to find these.


Thanks, Greg. I'm afraid the JOSM link would not be of use to me, as I'm 
a Potlatch user, but I realize I can't have the tool specifically 
tailored to me, so if JOSM is the predominant editor I guess that's 
where you will want to focus your attention.


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Hi Steve,

I’m glad you’re finding the tool useful and thanks for your suggestion. I’ve 
added a feature request in the issue tracker here 
[https://github.com/gregrs-uk/python-fhrs-osm/issues/20]. I probably won’t have 
time to look at this over the coming week, but I may have time at some point in 
the couple of weeks after this. Of course anyone else is welcome to contribute 
code if they wish.

I think the most useful link would probably be one that loads the OSM node/way 
in JOSM using the remote control function in the same way that the suggested 
matches map links do. Obviously you’d have to put the address details into JOSM 
manually, but you could use the FHRS links on nearby blue dots to find these.

Thanks,
Greg


> On 16 Oct 2016, at 22:22, Steve Doerr  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for providing this tool, Greg. I've found it very useful so far for 
> adding address information based on the possible matches identified on the 
> second map, where most of the dots have a link both to OSM and to the FHRS 
> entry.
> 
> However, I've now reached the stage where I need to look more at the upper 
> map, where there seem to be fewer clickable links. If you could provide links 
> to OSM for every dot on the map, that would be helpful. (If you're showing 
> them on your map, you must have derived a long/lat which you could link to.)
> 
> Hoping that this is not an unreasonable request - and apologies if it is.
> 
> Regards,
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/10/2016 07:37, Greg wrote:
>> These district statistics CSV files will now be copied each day to 
>> http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/ 
>> , so there will be a file 
>> per day in case anyone would like to track progress.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Greg
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9 Oct 2016, at 21:00, Greg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The python-fhrs-osm tool will now create a CSV file containing statistics 
>>> for each district each day, which should allow detailed tracking. It will 
>>> be located at http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/stats--mm-dd.csv 
>>>  once the 
>>> tool runs this evening.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>> 
 On 4 Oct 2016, at 17:58, Greg > wrote:
 
 In case it's useful for tracking, you can get the full list of tags used
 by my comparison tool at the link below. The tool downloads nodes/ways
 with those tags and any nodes/ways with an fhrs:id tag set.
 
 https://github.com/gregrs-uk/python-fhrs-osm/blob/master/filter-osm.sh#L5-L13
  
 
 
 Thanks,
 Greg
 
 
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> Off the top of my head, I'd have thought it would be good to know
> about number of instances of fhrs:id=* and addr:postcode=*, and
> numbers of eating type places (perhaps just one count for all
> amenity=cafe|restaurant|fast_food|pub|bar). Maybe also the
> number/proportion of such places that have a name tag. Possibly you
> could do other measures postcode progress, such as number of unique
> correctly-formatted postcodes in addr:postcode tags and/or number of
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[Steve Doerr]

Thanks for providing this tool, Greg. I've found it very useful so far 
for adding address information based on the possible matches identified 
on the second map, where most of the dots have a link both to OSM and to 
the FHRS entry.


However, I've now reached the stage where I need to look more at the 
upper map, where there seem to be fewer clickable links. If you could 
provide links to OSM for every dot on the map, that would be helpful. 
(If you're showing them on your map, you must have derived a long/lat 
which you could link to.)


Hoping that this is not an unreasonable request - and apologies if it is.

Regards,
Steve



On 11/10/2016 07:37, Greg wrote:
These district statistics CSV files will now be copied each day to 
http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/, so there will be a 
file per day in case anyone would like to track progress.


Thanks,
Greg


On 9 Oct 2016, at 21:00, Greg > wrote:


The python-fhrs-osm tool will now create a CSV file containing 
statistics for each district each day, which should allow detailed 
tracking. It will be located at 
http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/stats--mm-dd.csv once 
the tool runs this evening.


Thanks,
Greg


On 4 Oct 2016, at 17:58, Greg > wrote:


In case it's useful for tracking, you can get the full list of tags used
by my comparison tool at the link below. The tool downloads nodes/ways
with those tags and any nodes/ways with an fhrs:id tag set.

https://github.com/gregrs-uk/python-fhrs-osm/blob/master/filter-osm.sh#L5-L13

Thanks,
Greg


On 02/10/16 17:38, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:


Off the top of my head, I'd have thought it would be good to know
about number of instances of fhrs:id=* and addr:postcode=*, and
numbers of eating type places (perhaps just one count for all
amenity=cafe|restaurant|fast_food|pub|bar). Maybe also the
number/proportion of such places that have a name tag. Possibly you
could do other measures postcode progress, such as number of unique
correctly-formatted postcodes in addr:postcode tags and/or number of
postcode sectors ("AB12 X..") with at least one addr:postcode tagged.


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[Greg]

These district statistics CSV files will now be copied each day to 
http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs-stats/ 
, so there will be a file per 
day in case anyone would like to track progress.

Thanks,
Greg


> On 9 Oct 2016, at 21:00, Greg  wrote:
> 
> The python-fhrs-osm tool will now create a CSV file containing statistics for 
> each district each day, which should allow detailed tracking. It will be 
> located at http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/stats--mm-dd.csv 
>  once the tool 
> runs this evening.
> 
> Thanks,
> Greg
> 
> 
>> On 4 Oct 2016, at 17:58, Greg > > wrote:
>> 
>> In case it's useful for tracking, you can get the full list of tags used
>> by my comparison tool at the link below. The tool downloads nodes/ways
>> with those tags and any nodes/ways with an fhrs:id tag set.
>> 
>> https://github.com/gregrs-uk/python-fhrs-osm/blob/master/filter-osm.sh#L5-L13
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Greg
>> 
>> 
>> On 02/10/16 17:38, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:
>> 
>>> Off the top of my head, I'd have thought it would be good to know
>>> about number of instances of fhrs:id=* and addr:postcode=*, and
>>> numbers of eating type places (perhaps just one count for all
>>> amenity=cafe|restaurant|fast_food|pub|bar). Maybe also the
>>> number/proportion of such places that have a name tag. Possibly you
>>> could do other measures postcode progress, such as number of unique
>>> correctly-formatted postcodes in addr:postcode tags and/or number of
>>> postcode sectors ("AB12 X..") with at least one addr:postcode tagged.
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[Greg]

The python-fhrs-osm tool will now create a CSV file containing statistics for 
each district each day, which should allow detailed tracking. It will be 
located at http://gregrs.dev.openstreetmap.org/fhrs/stats--mm-dd.csv 
 once the tool 
runs this evening.

Thanks,
Greg


> On 4 Oct 2016, at 17:58, Greg  wrote:
> 
> In case it's useful for tracking, you can get the full list of tags used
> by my comparison tool at the link below. The tool downloads nodes/ways
> with those tags and any nodes/ways with an fhrs:id tag set.
> 
> https://github.com/gregrs-uk/python-fhrs-osm/blob/master/filter-osm.sh#L5-L13
> 
> Thanks,
> Greg
> 
> 
> On 02/10/16 17:38, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:
> 
>> Off the top of my head, I'd have thought it would be good to know
>> about number of instances of fhrs:id=* and addr:postcode=*, and
>> numbers of eating type places (perhaps just one count for all
>> amenity=cafe|restaurant|fast_food|pub|bar). Maybe also the
>> number/proportion of such places that have a name tag. Possibly you
>> could do other measures postcode progress, such as number of unique
>> correctly-formatted postcodes in addr:postcode tags and/or number of
>> postcode sectors ("AB12 X..") with at least one addr:postcode tagged.
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[Greg]

In case it's useful for tracking, you can get the full list of tags used
by my comparison tool at the link below. The tool downloads nodes/ways
with those tags and any nodes/ways with an fhrs:id tag set.

https://github.com/gregrs-uk/python-fhrs-osm/blob/master/filter-osm.sh#L5-L13

Thanks,
Greg


On 02/10/16 17:38, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:

> Off the top of my head, I'd have thought it would be good to know
> about number of instances of fhrs:id=* and addr:postcode=*, and
> numbers of eating type places (perhaps just one count for all
> amenity=cafe|restaurant|fast_food|pub|bar). Maybe also the
> number/proportion of such places that have a name tag. Possibly you
> could do other measures postcode progress, such as number of unique
> correctly-formatted postcodes in addr:postcode tags and/or number of
> postcode sectors ("AB12 X..") with at least one addr:postcode tagged.

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[Dave F]

On 04/10/2016 16:15, Dan S wrote:

Hi,

"Horses for courses" is certainly correct - but let me comment: please
don't rely on website=* as a way for people to get hold of further
info. Even if the establishment continues to exist, many small places
have websites that vanish, or are stolen, or are full of incorrect
info. I've discovered this in my OSM work, finding that many
faithfully-added website=* had to be removed mere months later when
the websites vanished :(


I've found the main problem with websites is their designers. Changing 
page addresses by the smallest detail, such as adding/removing .aspx & 
even /#. Bloody annoying. I use keep-right to update them, but it's a 
really annoying job to have to do.




(Also, of course the info isn't available in a structured form if it's
spread over a bag of websites, so it's not available for query filters
etc)


True


The info I'd love to have is address (especially housenumber and
postcode) and opening_hours


I suspect open hours are the most ephemeral data. Best left on the 
website IMO.


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[Dan S]

Hi,

"Horses for courses" is certainly correct - but let me comment: please
don't rely on website=* as a way for people to get hold of further
info. Even if the establishment continues to exist, many small places
have websites that vanish, or are stolen, or are full of incorrect
info. I've discovered this in my OSM work, finding that many
faithfully-added website=* had to be removed mere months later when
the websites vanished :(

(Also, of course the info isn't available in a structured form if it's
spread over a bag of websites, so it's not available for query filters
etc)

The info I'd love to have is address (especially housenumber and
postcode) and opening_hours

Best
Dan


2016-10-04 16:05 GMT+01:00 Dave F :
> Horses for courses. I map what I'm interested in, which maybe considered
> selfish by some, but it still adds relevant data.
> Websites provide current data on establishment.
>
> Surely, by your logic, churn will also mean the names of establishment will
> disappear? Comparing a newly issued fhrs database with its predecessor is a
> relatively easy way to double-check that churn.
>
> An fhrs:id tag provides a link to the addresses.
>
> Dave F.
>
> On 03/10/2016 14:01, SK53 wrote:
>
> I'd really strongly disagree here. Getting address data into OSM is
> important; the shop/amenity stuff is the sugar which coats that pill. In 5
> years time (see my figures) many of the fhrs:id will have disappeared from
> the website.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 3 October 2016 at 13:13, Dave F  wrote:
>>
>> For me, fhrs:id is obviously needed. ATM I'm only adding 'website' as an
>> additional tag. From that an end user can ascertain info such as an
>> establishments address & the services it provides. Adding full addresses is
>> something I might get around to doing later id there not anything more
>> exciting to map.
>>
>> If it's decided to do all fhrs:id tag, maybe show details of the databases
>> subsets such as restaurants,cafes; pubs,bars; supermarkets. etc.
>>
>> Dave F.
>>
>> On 02/10/2016 15:38, Rob Nickerson wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Which tags would you like me to set up a tag-info script for? We can then
>> track these throughout the quarter.
>>
>> Rob
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[SK53]

External links of all kinds can die; but for me the issue is that external
addresses make life difficult for data consumers.

J

On 4 October 2016 at 16:05, Dave F  wrote:

> Horses for courses. I map what I'm interested in, which maybe considered
> selfish by some, but it still adds relevant data.
> Websites provide current data on establishment.
>
> Surely, by your logic, churn will also mean the names of establishment
> will disappear? Comparing a newly issued fhrs database with its predecessor
> is a relatively easy way to double-check that churn.
>
> An fhrs:id tag provides a link to the addresses.
>
> Dave F.
>
> On 03/10/2016 14:01, SK53 wrote:
>
> I'd really strongly disagree here. Getting address data into OSM is
> important; the shop/amenity stuff is the sugar which coats that pill. In 5
> years time (see my figures) many of the fhrs:id will have disappeared from
> the website.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 3 October 2016 at 13:13, Dave F  wrote:
>
>> For me, fhrs:id is obviously needed. ATM I'm only adding 'website' as an
>> additional tag. From that an end user can ascertain info such as an
>> establishments address & the services it provides. Adding full addresses is
>> something I might get around to doing later id there not anything more
>> exciting to map.
>>
>> If it's decided to do all fhrs:id tag, maybe show details of the
>> databases subsets such as restaurants,cafes; pubs,bars; supermarkets. etc.
>>
>> Dave F.
>>
>> On 02/10/2016 15:38, Rob Nickerson wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Which tags would you like me to set up a tag-info script for? We can then
>> track these throughout the quarter.
>>
>> *Rob*
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[Dave F]

Horses for courses. I map what I'm interested in, which maybe considered 
selfish by some, but it still adds relevant data.

Websites provide current data on establishment.

Surely, by your logic, churn will also mean the names of establishment 
will disappear? Comparing a newly issued fhrs database with its 
predecessor is a relatively easy way to double-check that churn.


An fhrs:id tag provides a link to the addresses.

Dave F.

On 03/10/2016 14:01, SK53 wrote:
I'd really strongly disagree here. Getting address data into OSM is 
important; the shop/amenity stuff is the sugar which coats that pill. 
In 5 years time (see my figures) many of the fhrs:id will have 
disappeared from the website.


Jerry

On 3 October 2016 at 13:13, Dave F > wrote:


For me, fhrs:id is obviously needed. ATM I'm only adding 'website'
as an additional tag. From that an end user can ascertain info
such as an establishments address & the services it provides.
Adding full addresses is something I might get around to doing
later id there not anything more exciting to map.

If it's decided to do all fhrs:id tag, maybe show details of the
databases subsets such as restaurants,cafes; pubs,bars;
supermarkets. etc.

Dave F.

On 02/10/2016 15:38, Rob Nickerson wrote:

Hi all,

Which tags would you like me to set up a tag-info script for? We
can then track these throughout the quarter.

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[SK53]

I'd really strongly disagree here. Getting address data into OSM is
important; the shop/amenity stuff is the sugar which coats that pill. In 5
years time (see my figures) many of the fhrs:id will have disappeared from
the website.

Jerry

On 3 October 2016 at 13:13, Dave F  wrote:

> For me, fhrs:id is obviously needed. ATM I'm only adding 'website' as an
> additional tag. From that an end user can ascertain info such as an
> establishments address & the services it provides. Adding full addresses is
> something I might get around to doing later id there not anything more
> exciting to map.
>
> If it's decided to do all fhrs:id tag, maybe show details of the databases
> subsets such as restaurants,cafes; pubs,bars; supermarkets. etc.
>
> Dave F.
>
> On 02/10/2016 15:38, Rob Nickerson wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Which tags would you like me to set up a tag-info script for? We can then
> track these throughout the quarter.
>
> *Rob*
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[Dave F]

For me, fhrs:id is obviously needed. ATM I'm only adding 'website' as an 
additional tag. From that an end user can ascertain info such as an 
establishments address & the services it provides. Adding full addresses 
is something I might get around to doing later id there not anything 
more exciting to map.


If it's decided to do all fhrs:id tag, maybe show details of the 
databases subsets such as restaurants,cafes; pubs,bars; supermarkets. etc.


Dave F.

On 02/10/2016 15:38, Rob Nickerson wrote:

Hi all,

Which tags would you like me to set up a tag-info script for? We can 
then track these throughout the quarter.


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[Brian Prangle]

I think all these measurements are a great idea but in the first instance
for the taginfo script I think fhrs:id is sufficient. At least we'll know
that is a direct response to our QP. Postcode data I think is a little more
tricky than  a raw count of objects tagged with addr=postcode.  For
longterm purposes it would be great to get a count of unique, correctly
formatted postcodes, perhaps heatmapped onto Robert Whitakker's postcode
map template



On 2 October 2016 at 17:38, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) <
robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2 October 2016 at 15:38, Rob Nickerson 
> wrote:
> > Which tags would you like me to set up a tag-info script for? We can then
> > track these throughout the quarter.
>
> Off the top of my head, I'd have thought it would be good to know
> about number of instances of fhrs:id=* and addr:postcode=*, and
> numbers of eating type places (perhaps just one count for all
> amenity=cafe|restaurant|fast_food|pub|bar). Maybe also the
> number/proportion of such places that have a name tag. Possibly you
> could do other measures postcode progress, such as number of unique
> correctly-formatted postcodes in addr:postcode tags and/or number of
> postcode sectors ("AB12 X..") with at least one addr:postcode tagged.
>
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On 2 October 2016 at 15:38, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
> Which tags would you like me to set up a tag-info script for? We can then
> track these throughout the quarter.

Off the top of my head, I'd have thought it would be good to know
about number of instances of fhrs:id=* and addr:postcode=*, and
numbers of eating type places (perhaps just one count for all
amenity=cafe|restaurant|fast_food|pub|bar). Maybe also the
number/proportion of such places that have a name tag. Possibly you
could do other measures postcode progress, such as number of unique
correctly-formatted postcodes in addr:postcode tags and/or number of
postcode sectors ("AB12 X..") with at least one addr:postcode tagged.

Robert.

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Robert Whittaker

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