Re: [Talk-GB] Road works

[Dan S]

2015-04-02 0:43 GMT+01:00 pmailkeey . :
>
>
> On 1 April 2015 at 20:59, Dan S  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is really more an issue for the "tagging" mailing list rather
>> than "talk-gb", I guess. Anyway I think people already use
>> construction tags for the purposes you have in mind. This wiki page
>> describes how to use (including a tag for estimated finish date):
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:construction
>>
>> Best
>> Dan
>
>
> Thanks for the pointer Dan but I see
>
>  "As OSM data is often used offline (and therefore may be several months
> old), only tag construction sites (particularly roads and railroads) if they
> are planned to be closed for at least six to nine months. Don't use
> construction=* to tag short-term closures (e.g. a road closed over a weekend
> to replace a sewer pipe); consider using conditional restrictions instead."
>
> Which basically equates to "The fact some people use out of date data, we
> all should."
>
> It's this kind of 'logic' that really does point to the failings of those
> implementing the OSM project.

This is (again) rather rude. You need to understand, firstly, that OSM
is crowdsourced in its rules as well as its data. "Those implementing"
the OSM project means everyone here. There are no mysterious bungling
overlords, just the hive mind! If you want to change OSM's culture,
you should try a strategy so that people don't simply mute your
emails.

I personally am happy to tag construction that is relatively brief,
but the guideline that you quote has come out of lots of discussion.
Also remember that the wiki is not "the rules" - it often represents
consensus but should often be taken with a pinch of salt. So I don't
follow exactly the info that you quote! That's why, in my personal
opinion, that tag is exactly what you're searching for.

Dan

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Re: [Talk-GB] Road works

[pmailkeey .]

On 1 April 2015 at 21:26, Dave F.  wrote:

> On 01/04/2015 20:51, pmailkeey . wrote:
>
>>
>> Can we please discuss and wikify ?
>>
>
>
> What makes you think it hasn't already?
>
> Dave F.
>
>
"*Create the page "Road works
"
on this wiki!* See also the search results found."

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Re: [Talk-GB] Road works

[pmailkeey .]

On 1 April 2015 at 20:59, Dan S  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is really more an issue for the "tagging" mailing list rather
> than "talk-gb", I guess. Anyway I think people already use
> construction tags for the purposes you have in mind. This wiki page
> describes how to use (including a tag for estimated finish date):
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:construction
>
> Best
> Dan
>

Thanks for the pointer Dan but I see

 "As OSM data is often used offline (and therefore may be several months
old), only tag construction sites (particularly roads and railroads) if
they are planned to be closed for at least six to nine months. Don't use
construction=* to tag short-term closures (e.g. a road closed over a
weekend to replace a sewer pipe); consider using conditional restrictions
instead."

Which basically equates to "The fact some people use out of date data, we
all should."

It's this kind of 'logic' that really does point to the failings of those
implementing the OSM project.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Road works

[pmailkeey .]

Dave's question was quite valid, Your comment wasn't "helpful".

On 1 April 2015 at 22:01,  wrote:

>  Not very helpful.
>
> Jonathan
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> *From:* Dave F. 
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>
> On 01/04/2015 20:51, pmailkeey . wrote:
> >
> > Can we please discuss and wikify ?
>
>
> What makes you think it hasn't already?
>
> Dave F.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Road works

[pmailkeey .]

On 1 April 2015 at 21:26, Dave F.  wrote:

> On 01/04/2015 20:51, pmailkeey . wrote:
>
>>
>> Can we please discuss and wikify ?
>>
>
>
> What makes you think it hasn't already?
>
> Dave F.
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The lack of a road works page
!!!
??

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Re: [Talk-GB] Road works

[Dave F.]

On 01/04/2015 22:01, jonat...@bigfatfrog67.me wrote:

Not very helpful.

Jonathan


I disagree. He's clearly aware of the wiki yet repeatedly believes every 
query/problem he comes across is new & never been discussed before. I'm 
trying to encourage him to find the already implemented solution by 
himself. If you have children, do you spoon feed them all the time, or 
steer them to try & discover things for themselves?


Cheers
Dave F.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Road works

[jonathan]

Not very helpful.






Jonathan

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On 01/04/2015 20:51, pmailkeey . wrote:
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> Can we please discuss and wikify ?


What makes you think it hasn't already?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Road works

[Dave F.]

On 01/04/2015 20:51, pmailkeey . wrote:


Can we please discuss and wikify ?



What makes you think it hasn't already?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Road works

[Dan S]

Hi,

This is really more an issue for the "tagging" mailing list rather
than "talk-gb", I guess. Anyway I think people already use
construction tags for the purposes you have in mind. This wiki page
describes how to use (including a tag for estimated finish date):
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:construction

Best
Dan


2015-04-01 20:51 GMT+01:00 pmailkeey . :
> Hi all,
>
> I think we need road works features for the map - with restrictions as to
> their use:
>
> Only for closures - where rerouting is necessary
> Only for works affecting more than 1 day (as otherwise not really worth the
> effort to put on)
> Not generally for use re closures re accidents and incidents (but only due
> to short time effects).
>
> Ideal for cases where the bridge has washed away in the floods etc. and
> repairs will take months.
>
> Can we please discuss and wikify ?
>
> Examples:
>
> Proposed road works:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/335977956#map=19/54.46572/-3.55080
>
> Existing road works: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/335558485
>
> Possible Issues:
>
> Naming - 'road works' is clearly not enough. adding a finishing date code
> would enable anyone to find finished works to reinstate the road (provided
> works don't go over time)
> by area ?
> maintenance of data?
>
>
> Ok, that's some outline ideas... discuss !
>
>
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