Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM
Jun 21, 2020, 03:54 by talk-gb@openstreetmap.org: > > > > Jun 21, 2020, 01:28 by list-osm-talk...@cyclestreets.net: > >> We think in particular that a significant part of the cycle parking data >> (generally the residential areas, where there is little parking presently) >> and the speed bumps data are ripe for automated conversion. These form tens >> of thousands of locations which we feel are very low risk, useful data, and >> eminently suitable for import. >> >> Speed bumps: >> https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm:type=bumps_road/#14.98/51.47101/-0.02755 >> >> Cycle parking: >> https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm:type=parking_new/#14.98/51.46059/-0.05586 >> > please, please, please do not add useless fixme tags > > fixme=Check bike parking type > > is not needed - just lack of bicycle_parking tag is enough to note that, > and will be spotted by tools such as StreetComplete > > (spotted on id RWG102691) > I opened https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/issues/36 > > > And instead of > bicycle_parking=locked > note=Own lock > > use > access=private > > (id RWG102738) > and https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/issues/37 > I remember big import preparations that had issue tracker about tag > conversion > - is it this project? > hopefully it is the correct location ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM
On 21/06/2020 13:38, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote: Is it ok for pedestrians to walk on the carriageway and cross the road together with cyclists in place marked by bicycle paintings? It's legal for them to do so, which is what determines access. They don't get any priority. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM
21 Jun 2020, 12:07 by p...@trigpoint.me.uk: > On Sun, 2020-06-21 at 08:42 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote: > >> >> >> >> Jun 21, 2020, 01:21 by list-osm-talk...@cyclestreets.net: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 26 Apr 2020, Richard Fairhurst wrote: >>> You’ll remember that a couple of weeks ago I posted about the work I’m doing to look at getting the relevant bits of Transport for London’s openly licensed Cycle Infrastructure Database into OSM. https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion It takes the TfL CID files, compares them against OSM (by making queries against a freshly loaded Postgres database), and outputs a series of files for each datatype, all categorised by the type of editing that will be required to get them into OSM. >>> >>> You can now view this converted data as an interactive visualisation at: >>> >>> https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm/#13.12/51.50426/-0.08725 >>> >>> Use the "Feature type" drop-down to change the type. >>> >>> This shows the results of Richard's excellent scripting to convert the TfL >>> CID data to OSM tagging. It hopefully demonstrates the correctness of >>> Richard's conversion and the extensiveness of the data. I have also >>> included the two TfL photos of each asset. >>> >>> NB You can see the original TfL data using the "TfL CID" layer button, and >>> OSM data using "OSM" layer button. These are both in the main list of >>> cycling data layer buttons on the right-hand side. >>> >> https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm:type=crossings_junctions/#14.77/51.50656/-0.08864 >> is missing bicycle=yes foot=no intentional? See say >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/24923378>> (RWG082685) >> that seems impassable for pedestrians >> >> https://api.cyclestreets.net/v2/infrastructure.image?key=c047ed46f7b50b18&dataset=tflcid&id=RWG082685&version=1&variant=2&size=400 >> >> > Why? > > I cannot seen anything prohibiting pedestrians at that point. > > Phil (trigpoint) > Is it ok for pedestrians to walk on the carriageway and cross the road together with cyclists in place marked by bicycle paintings?___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM
On Sun, 2020-06-21 at 08:42 +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote: > > > Jun 21, 2020, 01:21 by list-osm-talk...@cyclestreets.net: > > On Sun, 26 Apr 2020, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > > You’ll remember that a couple of weeks ago I posted about the > > > work I’m doing to look at getting the relevant bits of Transport > > > for London’s openly licensed Cycle Infrastructure Database into > > > OSM. > > > > > > https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion > > > > > > It takes the TfL CID files, compares them against OSM (by making > > > queries against a freshly loaded Postgres database), and outputs > > > a series of files for each datatype, all categorised by the type > > > of editing that will be required to get them into OSM. > > > > You can now view this converted data as an interactive > > visualisation at: > > > > https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm/#13.12/51.50426/-0.08725 > > > > Use the "Feature type" drop-down to change the type. > > > > This shows the results of Richard's excellent scripting to convert > > the TfL CID data to OSM tagging. It hopefully demonstrates the > > correctness of Richard's conversion and the extensiveness of the > > data. I have also included the two TfL photos of each asset. > > > > NB You can see the original TfL data using the "TfL CID" layer > > button, and OSM data using "OSM" layer button. These are both in > > the main list of cycling data layer buttons on the right-hand side. > https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm:type=crossings_junctions/#14.77/51.50656/-0.08864 > is missing bicycle=yes foot=no intentional? See say > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/24923378 (RWG082685) > that seems impassable for pedestrians > > https://api.cyclestreets.net/v2/infrastructure.image?key=c047ed46f7b50b18&dataset=tflcid&id=RWG082685&version=1&variant=2&size=400 > Why? I cannot seen anything prohibiting pedestrians at that point. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM
On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 at 00:29, Martin - CycleStreets wrote: > Speed bumps: > https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm:type=bumps_road/#14.98/51.47101/-0.02755 There isn't a "bumps_new" filter at present, so it is hard to see what is to be added. I've already added a lot of traffic calming in my area, so would want to see what is to be changed. In general, the work here is amazing, although I can definitely see a few issues/mismatches. Stephen ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM
Jun 21, 2020, 01:21 by list-osm-talk...@cyclestreets.net: > > > On Sun, 26 Apr 2020, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > >> You’ll remember that a couple of weeks ago I posted about the work I’m doing >> to look at getting the relevant bits of Transport for London’s openly >> licensed Cycle Infrastructure Database into OSM. >> >> https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion >> >> It takes the TfL CID files, compares them against OSM (by making queries >> against a freshly loaded Postgres database), and outputs a series of files >> for each datatype, all categorised by the type of editing that will be >> required to get them into OSM. >> > > You can now view this converted data as an interactive visualisation at: > > https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm/#13.12/51.50426/-0.08725 > > Use the "Feature type" drop-down to change the type. > > This shows the results of Richard's excellent scripting to convert the TfL > CID data to OSM tagging. It hopefully demonstrates the correctness of > Richard's conversion and the extensiveness of the data. I have also included > the two TfL photos of each asset. > > NB You can see the original TfL data using the "TfL CID" layer button, and > OSM data using "OSM" layer button. These are both in the main list of cycling > data layer buttons on the right-hand side. > https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm:type=crossings_junctions/#14.77/51.50656/-0.08864 is missing bicycle=yes foot=no intentional? See say https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/24923378 (RWG082685) that seems impassable for pedestrians https://api.cyclestreets.net/v2/infrastructure.image?key=c047ed46f7b50b18&dataset=tflcid&id=RWG082685&version=1&variant=2&size=400 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM
Jun 21, 2020, 01:28 by list-osm-talk...@cyclestreets.net: > > Speed bumps: > https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm:type=bumps_road/#14.98/51.47101/-0.02755 > > Cycle parking: > https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm:type=parking_new/#14.98/51.46059/-0.05586 > RWG197392 https://api.cyclestreets.net/v2/infrastructure.image?key=c047ed46f7b50b18&dataset=tflcid&id=RWG197392&version=1&variant=1&size=400 looks like bump to me, tagged as hump RWG999715 has broken images --- Overall for both - would it be possible to keep images hosted and link them with image tag? Or maybe - upload images to Wikimedia Commons and link them with wikimedia_commons? It would make easier to verify what went wrong in case of manual verification. Is there a plan which tags would be used by changeset itself? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM
Jun 21, 2020, 01:28 by list-osm-talk...@cyclestreets.net: > We think in particular that a significant part of the cycle parking data > (generally the residential areas, where there is little parking presently) > and the speed bumps data are ripe for automated conversion. These form tens > of thousands of locations which we feel are very low risk, useful data, and > eminently suitable for import. > > Speed bumps: > https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm:type=bumps_road/#14.98/51.47101/-0.02755 > > Cycle parking: > https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm:type=parking_new/#14.98/51.46059/-0.05586 > please, please, please do not add useless fixme tags fixme=Check bike parking type is not needed - just lack of bicycle_parking tag is enough to note that, and will be spotted by tools such as StreetComplete (spotted on id RWG102691) And instead of bicycle_parking=locked note=Own lock use access=private (id RWG102738) I remember big import preparations that had issue tracker about tag conversion - is it this project? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Some of it can go into OSM in a more-or-less automated fashion. This is particularly true of the cycle parking, and of most speed bumps. Richard and I would welcome views on this. We think in particular that a significant part of the cycle parking data (generally the residential areas, where there is little parking presently) and the speed bumps data are ripe for automated conversion. These form tens of thousands of locations which we feel are very low risk, useful data, and eminently suitable for import. Speed bumps: https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm:type=bumps_road/#14.98/51.47101/-0.02755 Cycle parking: https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm:type=parking_new/#14.98/51.46059/-0.05586 (Note that Richard is shortly aiming to split out the parking_new dataset into two, one with no existing cycle parking nearby, making it very safe to ensure these would be safe to import.) Martin, ** CycleStreets - For Cyclists, By Cyclists Developer, CycleStreets ** https://www.cyclestreets.net/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM
On Sun, 26 Apr 2020, Richard Fairhurst wrote: You’ll remember that a couple of weeks ago I posted about the work I’m doing to look at getting the relevant bits of Transport for London’s openly licensed Cycle Infrastructure Database into OSM. https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion It takes the TfL CID files, compares them against OSM (by making queries against a freshly loaded Postgres database), and outputs a series of files for each datatype, all categorised by the type of editing that will be required to get them into OSM. You can now view this converted data as an interactive visualisation at: https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid2osm/#13.12/51.50426/-0.08725 Use the "Feature type" drop-down to change the type. This shows the results of Richard's excellent scripting to convert the TfL CID data to OSM tagging. It hopefully demonstrates the correctness of Richard's conversion and the extensiveness of the data. I have also included the two TfL photos of each asset. NB You can see the original TfL data using the "TfL CID" layer button, and OSM data using "OSM" layer button. These are both in the main list of cycling data layer buttons on the right-hand side. Martin, ** CycleStreets - For Cyclists, By Cyclists Developer, CycleStreets ** https://www.cyclestreets.net/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM
Hi everyone Thanks Richard for the huge effort you've put into this ( and Martin) . I'm happy to help with any manual editing as long as the data is ready-to-go in JOSM. I think that this is such a vote of confidence in OSM by TfL - and such a potential global case study - that it warrants a big UK volunteer takeup to augment the resource that TfL are committing. If it needs organising as a project then the UK chapter could step into the breach. Regards Brian On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 at 21:16, Rob Nickerson wrote: > Hi Richard, Hi all, > > (Sorry for not replying properly to the thread - I don't receive the > emails into my inbox and nabble is complaining about a broken certificate > today) > > It sounds like you are making good progress. Thanks for all the written > documentation for those, like myself, who are not so good with ruby. It > would be good to see those uncontentious edits going in to OSM fairly soon. > Is the plan to get this fully automated with a test in the dev version of > osm first? > > As for the rest, I am unclear what editor you are planning for people to > use. Out of interest what editor are the TfL employees being trained on? > The raster tilesets are obviously a huge advantage but do you plan for > something that integrates a bit more with the editor? Something along the > lines of the P2 merging tool, RapID or Hootenanny (also ID)? > > Thank you, > *Rob* > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database - matching against OSM
Hi Richard, Hi all, (Sorry for not replying properly to the thread - I don't receive the emails into my inbox and nabble is complaining about a broken certificate today) It sounds like you are making good progress. Thanks for all the written documentation for those, like myself, who are not so good with ruby. It would be good to see those uncontentious edits going in to OSM fairly soon. Is the plan to get this fully automated with a test in the dev version of osm first? As for the rest, I am unclear what editor you are planning for people to use. Out of interest what editor are the TfL employees being trained on? The raster tilesets are obviously a huge advantage but do you plan for something that integrates a bit more with the editor? Something along the lines of the P2 merging tool, RapID or Hootenanny (also ID)? Thank you, *Rob* ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
