Re: [Talk-GB] UK Licences

[Mateusz Konieczny]

10 Sep 2019, 16:09 by robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com:

> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 13:49, Stephen Colebourne  wrote:
>
>> I'd like to see some guidance on whether data can be taken directly
>> from a business's website and entered directly into OSM. eg. on the
>> "contact us" page there is often address, postcode, phone number,
>> opening hours. This page
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:postal_code says "You can even
>> look them up on the official website of the place" which suggests you
>> can, but normal copyright of websites would suggest you can't.
>>
>
> My take is that if it's an independent store with a single site, or a
> small group -- say up to about half a dozen premises -- then you can
> use the address(es) listed on their official website, as they're
> un-copyrightable facts. For chains with more stores, the addresses of
> each branch will form part of a database, and then database rights put
> them off-limits for OSM, unless you get specific permission from the
> business.
>
Note
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2019-July/thread.html 

discussion that have some quite 
 arguments that in this case
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Licences

[Jez Nicholson]

A 'database' of stores maybebut I believe that Stephen are talking
specifically about a single address communicated via a contact page. If the
postcode is copyrighted, then the company shouldn't be displaying it, and
you should never write it on an envelope

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019, 13:57 Silent Spike,  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 1:49 PM Stephen Colebourne 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to see some guidance on whether data can be taken directly
>> from a business's website and entered directly into OSM. eg. on the
>> "contact us" page there is often address, postcode, phone number,
>> opening hours. This page
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:postal_code says "You can even
>> look them up on the official website of the place" which suggests you
>> can, but normal copyright of websites would suggest you can't. A clear
>> statement one way or the other would be useful (I may have missed
>> it...)
>>
>
> I'm almost certain you need permission from the company to use such data
> and that wiki page should probably be changed. There are a few companies
> I'm aware of which have granted OSM permission to use website data (at
> least in the UK), it's on another wiki page somewhere.
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Licences

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 13:49, Stephen Colebourne  wrote:
> I'd like to see some guidance on whether data can be taken directly
> from a business's website and entered directly into OSM. eg. on the
> "contact us" page there is often address, postcode, phone number,
> opening hours. This page
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:postal_code says "You can even
> look them up on the official website of the place" which suggests you
> can, but normal copyright of websites would suggest you can't.

My take is that if it's an independent store with a single site, or a
small group -- say up to about half a dozen premises -- then you can
use the address(es) listed on their official website, as they're
un-copyrightable facts. For chains with more stores, the addresses of
each branch will form part of a database, and then database rights put
them off-limits for OSM, unless you get specific permission from the
business.

Robert.

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