Re: [Talk-GB] What is a Department Store
Thank you guys. Thinking about it, at that time when all that was entered into the till was the price separate tills would have made accounting for each department easier. Now with barcodes it is a simple piece of software. Phil (trigpoint) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] What is a Department Store
Hi, On 19/12/2019 19:12, Philip Barnes wrote: The key feature in my mind is that each department is that you paid in each shop, you couldn't buy a pair of shoes and pay for them in the record department. TBH, I don't remember big stores in NE England (e.g. Fenwick, Callers, Farnons in NCL), enforcing a 'pay here' separation. It may have been there, but I was more interested in the vacuum shuttle systems taking the invoice and cash back to the safe! My thought on taxonomy is more about the physical separation of one enterprise into multiple departments, each specialising in one class of goods with product displays, people, and advice separated into sections. To re-use your 'Are You Bing Served' example - "/Ground floor perfumery stationary, and leather goods/, /wigs."/ Some supermarkets sell washing machines, but there's much less of a separation into departments - a tin of paint may be on the same shelf (e.g Tesco Extra - one big shed full of stuff no one can find). The big thing that kept me out of such places was the perfume department which always seemed to be just inside the main door to overpower and drive me back out. The House of Fraser on the West end of Princes Street Edinburgh being the worst I remember - hazard=Chanel No.5 perhaps? :-) In OSM we are using department store to describe most commonly for example M & S. Whilst it does have departments, you take things to a single till. Food is still sort of separate, but as far as I am aware you can pay for your socks along with your groceries. Again, I see the physical organisation as the differentiator, not the payment mechanism. ASDA Home may fit this, but again you pay at a single till area. Was taken to TK Maxx today, had never been in before and had always assumed it was a clothes shop and had mapped it as such. It sells much more than clothes, actually felt like BHS used to. But again you take things to a single till. On checking, iD suggests Department Store. Hmm, never been in one. Perhaps another factor is the breadth of items stocked and type (convenience/ shopping/ speciality/ unsought goods)? * Supermarket = sells food and other consumables, with limited higher-order of goods mixed freely on shelves and isles. * Department = sells speciality goods physically separated into departments, may sell convenience and shopping goods but in one area (e.g. a food hall, delicatessen, or similar department). Am I stuck in the 70s? You are not alone! Meaningful stuff happened like decimilsation, Tubular Bells, Glastonbury, the Range Rover, but then again so did, strikes, power cuts, the Hillman Avenger, and the last canal commercial carrying... TTFN, James -- James Derrick li...@jamesderrick.org, Cramlington, England I wouldn't be a volunteer if you paid me... https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/James%20Derrick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] What is a Department Store
Hi Phil, In my opinion, where you pay for it is irrelevant. It is a store with multiple departments, and as such is a department store. You mentioned Debenhams as an example of a department store - it still exists, of course, and it is still a department store, but you can pay at any till. On the flip side, no-one would ever describe Foyles as anything other than a bookshop. However, back in the day it was very much stuck in the 70s itself. You couldn’t pay for books from different departments, instead you had go around the shop, choose your books, leave them at their departments, get a set of bills, go to the (admittedly single) till, pay, and then go back and pick up your books from the departments you’d left them in. It was surreal. But aside from that trip down memory lane, you were effectively billed from each department and couldn’t get billed out of department, which sort of meets your definition of a department store. But it wasn’t one - it was (and still is) a bookshop. Cheers Stuart > On 19 Dec 2019, at 19:12, Philip Barnes wrote: > > A simple question, but probably a complex answer. > > Growing up a department store was divided up into a series of > departments, each operated almost as separate shops with their own > staff, own till and you paid for what you bought before you moved on to > the next department. > > The obvious example is Harrods, but Grace Brothers (1) was a familiar > example, along with Rackhams, Debenhams. > > The key feature in my mind is that each department is that you paid in > each shop, you couldn't buy a pair of shoes and pay for them in the > record department. The big thing that kept me out of such places was > the perfume department which always seemed to be just inside the main > door to overpower and drive me back out. > > In OSM we are using department store to describe most commonly for > example M & S. Whilst it does have departments, you take things to a > single till. Food is still sort of separate, but as far as I am aware > you can pay for your socks along with your groceries. > > ASDA Home may fit this, but again you pay at a single till area. > > Was taken to TK Maxx today, had never been in before and had always > assumed it was a clothes shop and had mapped it as such. It sells much > more than clothes, actually felt like BHS used to. But again you take > things to a single till. On checking, iD suggests Department Store. > > What do others think? > > Am I stuck in the 70s? > > Phil (trigpoint) > > > > > > 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTCUuTGNEnI May not be familiar to > all as it doesn't get the repeats that other series of the era do > (Dad's Army, On The Buses) > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
