Re: [Talk-GB] cryptic bicycle tagging/attribution on Lever Street in London

[Remek Zajac]

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:43 PM, David Woolley 
wrote:
>
> I would say opposite_lane was wrong.  I would interpret <
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:cycleway#Dedicated_cycle_lanes> as
> saying that cycleway:right=lane was correct.
>
> cycleway:oneside appears to be undefined, and the width should on
> cycleway:right:width
>
> lcn is defined, but there is a bold warning that relations are better.
>
>
Thank you David Woolley and Adam Snape, I now have:
- fixed  all the issues
pointed out in this thread.
- added a note

to disambiguate the rules.

I hope you find my work satisfactory. Thank you very much for your help.
Remek
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Re: [Talk-GB] cryptic bicycle tagging/attribution on Lever Street in London

[David Woolley]

On 19/05/17 19:48, Remek Zajac wrote:

So what is your take on "cycleway:right=lane" used on a one-way street
David?


I would say opposite_lane was wrong.  I would interpret 
 
as saying that cycleway:right=lane was correct.


cycleway:oneside appears to be undefined, and the width should on 
cycleway:right:width


lcn is defined, but there is a bold warning that relations are better.

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Re: [Talk-GB] cryptic bicycle tagging/attribution on Lever Street in London

[Adam Snape]

Hi,

I'd go with your option 1. The cycleway:right=opposite_lane tag is
incorrect as the lane is not contraflow

"*It should then be assumed that cycle traffic is allowed to flow in the
customary direction for traffic on that side of the road"*

And on a oneway street without a contraflow both sides of the road
customarily travel in the same direction. I think cycleway:right=lane is
perfectly correct. This is a good example where the left/right tagging
creates needless complication; the simple cycleway=lane tag would suffice.

Kind regards,

Adam

On 19 May 2017 at 19:48, Remek Zajac  wrote:

> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 7:12 PM, David Woolley  > wrote:
>>
>> Google maps is copyright, so can't be used as the basis of another map.
>> Moreover there is an explicit restriction on the use of Google Street View
>> to create maps.
>
>
> So far i've only used Street View to illustrate the problem with
> "cycleway:right=opposite_lane" / "cycleway:right=lane". When i get enough 
> sound
> voices I will go and
> edit the map and will do so based riding up that street last week. So what
> is your take on "cycleway:right=lane" used on a one-way street David?
>
> Remek
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Re: [Talk-GB] cryptic bicycle tagging/attribution on Lever Street in London

[Remek Zajac]

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 7:12 PM, David Woolley 
wrote:
>
> Google maps is copyright, so can't be used as the basis of another map.
> Moreover there is an explicit restriction on the use of Google Street View
> to create maps.


So far i've only used Street View to illustrate the problem with
"cycleway:right=opposite_lane"
/ "cycleway:right=lane". When i get enough sound voices I will go and
edit the map and will do so based riding up that street last week. So what
is your take on "cycleway:right=lane" used on a one-way street David?

Remek
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Re: [Talk-GB] cryptic bicycle tagging/attribution on Lever Street in London

[David Woolley]

On 19/05/17 18:47, Remek Zajac wrote:

Not sure I understand what the problem with googlemaps is, but yes, it's
like you've just described.



Google maps is copyright, so can't be used as the basis of another map. 
Moreover there is an explicit restriction on the use of Google Street 
View to create maps.


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Re: [Talk-GB] cryptic bicycle tagging/attribution on Lever Street in London

[Remek Zajac]

David Woolley wrote:
> Can you please describe the situation without reference to Google Maps
(to which I have not referred).
> Are you saying that the road is one way, with  a cycle lane on the right,
in the same direction as for motor vehicles?
Not sure I understand what the problem with googlemaps is, but yes, it's
like you've just described.


On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 6:31 PM, David Woolley 
wrote:

> On 19/05/17 18:03, Remek Zajac wrote:
>
>> I noted it sent me up the wrong way on a one-way Lever Street
>> > 75y,265.97h,55.52t/data=%213m6%211e1%213m4%211sUuuahShWpAONC
>> KSdPgFaPw%212e0%217i13312%218i6656%216m1%211e1>.
>>
>
> Can you please describe the situation without reference to Google Maps (to
> which I have not referred).
>
> Are you saying that the road is one way, with  a cycle lane on the right,
> in the same direction as for motor vehicles?
>
> Also, I don't understand lcn=y.  If it is part of a local cycle network, I
> would have thought that should be represented by its being part of the
> relation for that network.  Duplicating that information risks subsequent
> errors if it ever ceases to be part of the network.
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