Re: [Talk-gb-london] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database (CID) conflation

2023-10-17 Thread Robert Skedgell 

OSM's cycling infra is very well mapped, but no thanks to TfL.

@MacLondon usually adds anything new to the map as soon as it opens.

On 17/10/2023 16:21, David via Talk-gb-london wrote:

Interesting.
I would have thought that the overall quality of cycle route mapping on 
OSM for London is actually rather high,
inspite of TfL - it's certainly orders of magnitude better than TfL's 
own maps, which seem relentless riddled with strange errors.


On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 4:11 PM Robert Skedgell > wrote:


TfL have recently posted this on Facebook:

"Google has improved its cycle routes in Google Maps 
New updates now consider traffic conditions and the availability of
Cycleways to prioritise cycling on safer, quieter roads.
These changes are being rolled out to all users by the end of the year."


https://www.facebook.com/transportforlondon/posts/pfbid02Po1PXVgVgE4Fbm7zkPUPp4fnq9kkgJfnsNAKbRzMYtTqVviZAevFn34JYAXrXJzVl
 


I think that's an indirect admission by TfL that the work done on
OpenStreetMap by TfL's paid "mappers" was an embarrassing failure. Some
of the conflation done by the contractors was quite poor, but most
of it
was of much lower quality and should have been reverted.

On 10/08/2023 16:57, Robert Skedgell wrote:
 > As the project was quietly abandoned in January 2023, is it time
for a
 > post mortem of this incomplete project?
 >
 > On 15/11/2022 12:01, Whittaker, Ed via Talk-gb-london wrote:
 >> Hello
 >>
 >> Following very helpful feedback earlier in the year, we are now
 >> looking to recommence efforts to complete the migration of the
TfL CID
 >> to OSM
 >>
 >> We will keep an eye on this board, but suggest (and welcome!)
feedback
 >> to the main post on the talk-gb board
 >>
(https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2022-November/029610.html 
)
 >>
 >> Thanks,
 >>
 >> Ed (Sweco), Aidan (GHD) and Lu (GHD
 >>
 >>
 >> Reg. No.: 2888385 | Reg. Office: Leeds (Registered in England
and Wales)
 >> Reg. Office Address: Sweco UK Limited, Grove House, Mansion Gate
 >> Drive, Leeds, LS7 4DN
 >
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Re: [Talk-gb-london] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database (CID) conflation

2023-10-17 Thread David via Talk-gb-london 
Interesting.
I would have thought that the overall quality of cycle route mapping on OSM
for London is actually rather high,
inspite of TfL - it's certainly orders of magnitude better than TfL's own
maps, which seem relentless riddled with strange errors.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 4:11 PM Robert Skedgell  wrote:

> TfL have recently posted this on Facebook:
>
> "Google has improved its cycle routes in Google Maps 
> New updates now consider traffic conditions and the availability of
> Cycleways to prioritise cycling on safer, quieter roads.
> These changes are being rolled out to all users by the end of the year."
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/transportforlondon/posts/pfbid02Po1PXVgVgE4Fbm7zkPUPp4fnq9kkgJfnsNAKbRzMYtTqVviZAevFn34JYAXrXJzVl
>
> I think that's an indirect admission by TfL that the work done on
> OpenStreetMap by TfL's paid "mappers" was an embarrassing failure. Some
> of the conflation done by the contractors was quite poor, but most of it
> was of much lower quality and should have been reverted.
>
> On 10/08/2023 16:57, Robert Skedgell wrote:
> > As the project was quietly abandoned in January 2023, is it time for a
> > post mortem of this incomplete project?
> >
> > On 15/11/2022 12:01, Whittaker, Ed via Talk-gb-london wrote:
> >> Hello
> >>
> >> Following very helpful feedback earlier in the year, we are now
> >> looking to recommence efforts to complete the migration of the TfL CID
> >> to OSM
> >>
> >> We will keep an eye on this board, but suggest (and welcome!) feedback
> >> to the main post on the talk-gb board
> >> (
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2022-November/029610.html
> )
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ed (Sweco), Aidan (GHD) and Lu (GHD
> >>
> >>
> >> Reg. No.: 2888385 | Reg. Office: Leeds (Registered in England and Wales)
> >> Reg. Office Address: Sweco UK Limited, Grove House, Mansion Gate
> >> Drive, Leeds, LS7 4DN
> >
> >
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Re: [Talk-gb-london] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database (CID) conflation

2023-10-17 Thread Robert Skedgell 

TfL have recently posted this on Facebook:

"Google has improved its cycle routes in Google Maps 
New updates now consider traffic conditions and the availability of 
Cycleways to prioritise cycling on safer, quieter roads.

These changes are being rolled out to all users by the end of the year."

https://www.facebook.com/transportforlondon/posts/pfbid02Po1PXVgVgE4Fbm7zkPUPp4fnq9kkgJfnsNAKbRzMYtTqVviZAevFn34JYAXrXJzVl

I think that's an indirect admission by TfL that the work done on 
OpenStreetMap by TfL's paid "mappers" was an embarrassing failure. Some 
of the conflation done by the contractors was quite poor, but most of it 
was of much lower quality and should have been reverted.


On 10/08/2023 16:57, Robert Skedgell wrote:
As the project was quietly abandoned in January 2023, is it time for a 
post mortem of this incomplete project?


On 15/11/2022 12:01, Whittaker, Ed via Talk-gb-london wrote:

Hello

Following very helpful feedback earlier in the year, we are now 
looking to recommence efforts to complete the migration of the TfL CID 
to OSM


We will keep an eye on this board, but suggest (and welcome!) feedback 
to the main post on the talk-gb board 
(https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2022-November/029610.html)


Thanks,

Ed (Sweco), Aidan (GHD) and Lu (GHD


Reg. No.: 2888385 | Reg. Office: Leeds (Registered in England and Wales)
Reg. Office Address: Sweco UK Limited, Grove House, Mansion Gate 
Drive, Leeds, LS7 4DN



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Re: [Talk-gb-london] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database (CID) conflation

2023-08-10 Thread David via Talk-gb-london 
I would be interested to hear such a post mortem,
although I do not think it is unfair to say that TfL have never finished
any project in their lives :)
be it cycling infrastructure (London Cycle Network, London Greenways, Cycle
Superhighways, Greenways, ... currently they're on Cycleways) -
each project is quietly forgotten about in in some press-released rebrand
of the Next Big Initiative,
with yet another set of Pantone shades carefully worked out by their
graphic designers :)
The old infrastructure is slowly cannibalised as part of the new roll out
(but never entirely gotten rid of).

The same is probably true for everything else TfL does, from tree planting
programmes to bus stop upgrades to roads and etc etc.



On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 5:01 PM Robert Skedgell  wrote:

> As the project was quietly abandoned in January 2023, is it time for a
> post mortem of this incomplete project?
>
> On 15/11/2022 12:01, Whittaker, Ed via Talk-gb-london wrote:
> > Hello
> >
> > Following very helpful feedback earlier in the year, we are now looking
> to recommence efforts to complete the migration of the TfL CID to OSM
> >
> > We will keep an eye on this board, but suggest (and welcome!) feedback
> to the main post on the talk-gb board (
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2022-November/029610.html
> )
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ed (Sweco), Aidan (GHD) and Lu (GHD
> >
> >
> > Reg. No.: 2888385 | Reg. Office: Leeds (Registered in England and Wales)
> > Reg. Office Address: Sweco UK Limited, Grove House, Mansion Gate Drive,
> Leeds, LS7 4DN
>
>
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Re: [Talk-gb-london] TfL Cycle Infrastructure Database (CID) conflation

2023-08-10 Thread Robert Skedgell 
As the project was quietly abandoned in January 2023, is it time for a 
post mortem of this incomplete project?


On 15/11/2022 12:01, Whittaker, Ed via Talk-gb-london wrote:

Hello

Following very helpful feedback earlier in the year, we are now looking to 
recommence efforts to complete the migration of the TfL CID to OSM

We will keep an eye on this board, but suggest (and welcome!) feedback to the 
main post on the talk-gb board 
(https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2022-November/029610.html)

Thanks,

Ed (Sweco), Aidan (GHD) and Lu (GHD


Reg. No.: 2888385 | Reg. Office: Leeds (Registered in England and Wales)
Reg. Office Address: Sweco UK Limited, Grove House, Mansion Gate Drive, Leeds, 
LS7 4DN



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