Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

[Andy Robinson]

You can see from my attempt 11 years ago that I didn't have a clue either!

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/484792823

http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2009/11/pelsall-pleasure.html

Cheers
Andy

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From: Andy Mabbett [mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk] 
Sent: 16 July 2020 17:00
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Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

I've just come to map a fingerpost, never having had cause to add one
previously.

To my surprise there is nothing on the wiki about how to do so, and I
can find no JSOM preset.

What do folk suggest?

I would like to add the inscription, for each of the three fingers,
with their comaps points, something like:

   inscription:NW=foo

or, using degrees:

   inscription:315:=foo

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

[Andy Townsend]

On 16/07/2020 17:20, Alan Mackie wrote:

Maybe:
tourism=information
information=guidepost
?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:information%3Dguidepost

I don't know a way of recording the directions they point save via 
destination_sign relations.


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:destination_sign

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, 17:00 Andy Mabbett, > wrote:


I've just come to map a fingerpost, never having had cause to add one
previously.

I had a look at this a while back because I was figuring out how to best 
render stuff in the "information" space. "tourism=information; 
information=guidepost" does seem to what people use for those, at least 
in the UK.


The tricky bit is that in England and Wales at least what might be 
described as a "fingerpost" might cover a whole range of things - it 
might be (1) a bit of wood with "public footpath" written on it, or (2) 
it might say "to St Gregory's Minster" or somesuch.  It might be (3) a 
route marker for a long or short distance path, or it might be a 
combination of some or all of these.  Even "simple public footpath 
markers" vary hugely around the place (even just around what might be 
called the West Mids) in terms of what form they take, how frequent they 
are and what other information they carry.


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Guidepost and 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:information%3Dguidepost describe 
what I might call "European" guideposts, which Andy's example might be 
similar to from the description, but it's not much use with what I 
suspect Phil was thinking about when he said "we tend to just use them 
to confirm the legal status of a right of way".


The tag combinations in use seem to be a bit of a mish-mash (see 
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/information=guidepost#combinations 
; unfortunately it looks like there aren't enough to get stats at 
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.UK/tags/information=guidepost#combinations 
).  Where someone local to me added lots of "basic public footpath 
signs" as "tourism=information; information=guidepost"I added a 
"guidepost_type" tag to the ones that I knew weren't "just" public 
footpath markers (see 
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/guidepost_type#values ).  I 
picked "guidepost_type"because I couldn't see another option available 
and in use in England and Wales that could make that distinction - I'd 
be happy to change that tag to something else if someone comes up with a 
better option.


The idea is to make sure that there's enough information stored for a 
renderer to be able to do different things based on whether an 
"information=guidepost" (or an "information=route_marker") is one of 
(1), (2) or (3) above or a combination, and to do different things with 
it on that basis.


As an aside, I've been adding examples of (3) to the relevant relation 
(see e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1996318 ) so that, come 
the glorious day when I manage to set up a version of osm2pgsql that 
supports doing something useful with that information you'll be able to 
see not just that there's a guidepost here but that it's actually a 
marker for XYZ long distance trail.  See 
https://pavie.info/2020/03/09/openstreetmap-data-processing-osm2pgsql-flex/ 
for a bit of info about that.


Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

[Andy Mabbett]

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 17:20, Alan Mackie  wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, 17:00 Andy Mabbett,  wrote:

>> I've just come to map a fingerpost, never having had cause to add one
>> previously.

> Maybe:
> tourism=information
> information=guidepost

> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:information%3Dguidepost

Thank you. That seems to be it, though the page doesn't include the
strings "fingerposts" or "finger posts". I've added it, and made some
redirects.

> I don't know a way of recording the directions they point save via 
> destination_sign relations

I'll ask on the tagging list. Wish me luck ;-)

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

[Philip Barnes]

I must admit that I have never thought of mapping one, we tend to just
use them to confirm the legal status of a right of way in much the same
as we map speedlimits, not the signs.

Probably map them as man_made:signpost or something similar.

They are a very common everyday object so would not fall into the
tourism category.

Phil (trigpoint)

On Thu, 2020-07-16 at 16:59 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> I've just come to map a fingerpost, never having had cause to add one
> previously.
> 
> To my surprise there is nothing on the wiki about how to do so, and I
> can find no JSOM preset.
> 
> What do folk suggest?
> 
> I would like to add the inscription, for each of the three fingers,
> with their comaps points, something like:
> 
>inscription:NW=foo
> 
> or, using degrees:
> 
>inscription:315:=foo
> 


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

[Alan Mackie]

Maybe:
tourism=information
information=guidepost
?

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:information%3Dguidepost

I don't know a way of recording the directions they point save via
destination_sign relations.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:destination_sign

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020, 17:00 Andy Mabbett,  wrote:

> I've just come to map a fingerpost, never having had cause to add one
> previously.
>
> To my surprise there is nothing on the wiki about how to do so, and I
> can find no JSOM preset.
>
> What do folk suggest?
>
> I would like to add the inscription, for each of the three fingers,
> with their comaps points, something like:
>
>inscription:NW=foo
>
> or, using degrees:
>
>inscription:315:=foo
>
> --
> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fingerposts

[Andy Mabbett]

I've just come to map a fingerpost, never having had cause to add one
previously.

To my surprise there is nothing on the wiki about how to do so, and I
can find no JSOM preset.

What do folk suggest?

I would like to add the inscription, for each of the three fingers,
with their comaps points, something like:

   inscription:NW=foo

or, using degrees:

   inscription:315:=foo

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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