[Talk-ht] former spontaneaous_camp?
Hello Haiti mappers, Since august the 24th I'm an OSM contributor and on januari the 17th I discovered the massive relief effort in Haiti going underway for OSM mappers. Since then I'm working on the Haiti map with JOSM with all the imagery that's made free for our use. I have sometimes a question about hands-on mapping, but I noticed almost all discussion is about importing data. That's not my thing and I hope I can post questions about 'down-to-earth' drawing objects in the database. (I was kind off hoping there would be a forum set up for this, but so far that didn't happen.) The question: I found a camp_site that is tagged: earthquake:damage=former spontaneous_camp and refugee=not_anymore. I concur on the observation with Googe 2010-01-21 imagery, but the tagging.? I'm almost certain that it's not right. Should these objects be simply deleted? Any reaction wil be greatly appreciated! Best regards, Hans van Wijk ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [Talk-ht] [CrisisMappers] Important request from Gov of Haiti - IDP database
Hi all- Thanks David for your email and my apologies for not having introduced the topic with more details. The crisis mappers "thread" initiated 2 days ago relate to harmonizing data on Internal Displaced Persons/ People (IDPs) camp sites trough some on-going or future data conflation work. Mapping of IDPs camp sites (refugees camp/ informal camps) was one of the core mapping field requirement echoed to boht crisis mapping and talk since the very early days of the response. This requirement receives proper attention from OSM and from other groups operating remotely (efforts of UNOSAT and ITHACA in generating IDPs camps site extracts through their sat imagery analysis) or directly from the ground. In OSM, Kate Chapman and other, a week ago, invested some work on assessing the status of OSM (IDP) camps (data cleaning). The crisis mapping thread indicates that the conditions for a collective effort leading to harmonization of the various IDPs camp sites is starting matching a clearly stated need by the Haiti government and likely to be managed by the humanitarian authority in charge of this humanitarin theme (International Office of Migration (IOM) which leads the CampCoordinationManagement / Shelter Cluster/ Non Food Item in Haiti). This effort is likely to proceed along the same lines as the work on-going on Health Facility resulting for OSM into some guidance given by a data custodian (Pa-American Health Organization - PAHO) providing a Unified UID, a Master dataset and some mechanisms for geodata managagement allowing for data sharing between different groups in a coordinated manner. This tied to efforts in terms of proposing a set of tags to handle the Health Facility, in dicussion at the Humanitarian OSM Tags\ Humanitarian Data Model section in the OSM wiki- URL http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model#Health_Facilities The aim of my email to crisis camp was to outline for the crisis mnapper the process at work for Health Facility as a way forward and to raise awareness within OSM about this initiative on IDPs for us to contribute our IDPs data and be prepared for repeating the process at work on Health Facility with a new humanitarian object of high importance for this crisis response. A set of tags to handle the IDPs camp is proposed for dicussion at the Humanitarian OSM Tags\ Humanitarian Data Model section in the OSM wiki. It has been established based on Shelter Cluster Materials used in Haiti by the NGO Map ACtion and through dialogue with MapAction experts. Any field materials coming from the email to crisis mappers and from on-the ground GISers working on this theme as well as the OSM values can be added to this object if relevant in regards to field needs on IDP and IDP custodian guidance. URL: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model#Internally_Displaced_People_.28IDPs.29_camp_sites I guess that for now, we are on a wait and see position vis a vis the coordinating efforts on haiti. To be prepared to react timely, a status on the IDPs object and some attention to the IDP object of the Humanitarian Data model and its translation into OSM tags can be of help Apologies for this long email, I hope it somehow clarifies. Best N On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:52 AM, David Ellams wrote: > Hi > > Firstly, I'd be really grateful if you could expand your abbreviations, > unless they are already well known in the OSM community. Unlike Crisis > Mappers, I suspect this list includes many "ordinary OSMers" (like me) > who are not experienced in crisis mapping, and would just like to know > where they can lend a hand, and complement the work of the more hardcore > crisis mappers. Having Googled "IDP", it looks like the most likely > meaning in this context is "Internally Displaced Person" (internal > refugee). > > If that is the correct meaning, please could you clarify exactly how you > are proposing OSM becomes involved in an IDP database. Are you simply > proposing adding tags to allow such a database to be linked easily to > OSM, or are you proposing actually adding details of IDPs to OSM? If it > is the latter, I have some concerns, but I don't want to waste anyone's > time articulating them, if this is not what you are proposing. > > Apologies to all if I am the only one who is not clear on what is being > proposed. > > Best wishes > > David (davespod) > > On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:42 +, talk-ht-requ...@openstreetmap.org > wrote: > > Send Talk-ht mailing list submissions to > > talk-ht@openstreetmap.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > talk-ht-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > talk-ht-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re
Re: [Talk-ht] former spontaneaous_camp?
2010/2/7 Hans van Wijk : > The question: I found a camp_site that is tagged: earthquake:damage=former > spontaneous_camp and refugee=not_anymore. I concur on the observation with > Googe 2010-01-21 imagery, but the tagging…? I'm almost certain that it's not > right. Should these objects be simply deleted? I used this kind of tagging, because when someone works from older imagery, they might re-add such an already deleted camp. If you just modify the tags so that a node or way or area is still visible in the editor, this might prevent duplicated work. I made sure to modify all relevant tags (i.e. *both* earthquake:damage and refugee) since I cannot know which tags are used by analysis tools or renderers etc. Tagging is free-form anyway, so pick self-documenting tags that are not in the positive list and we should be fine. HTH Colin ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [Talk-ht] PAHO Medical Facilities
Hi Kate, I think there may be a bug in the files available on http://github.com/wonderchook/PAHO_to_OSM They contain no health_center with "bed=yes" (only "bed=no") whereas "Categorie=CAL" does exist in XLS or SHP files from http://sites.google.com/a/netspective.org/haiti-health-facilities/ Best regards, Jean-Guilhem Kate Chapman a écrit : > Hi All, > > I converted the PAHO medical facilities data into OSM format. > http://github.com/wonderchook/PAHO_to_OSM. I also included the rules > file. If anyone needs files in another format or anything let me > know. > > I chunked it up into 26 files so people could work on it. The tags > associated with each facility are ones that are important to WHO/PAHO. > We want to make sure we include data that is going to be important to > these organizations. They are willing to contribute data back to us > from the ground, but we need to include information that relates to > humanitarian efforts. In my experience working with this data there > have been many circumstances where the OSM positional accuracy is > better, something to keep in mind when resolving the discrepancies > between the two datasets. > > The most important information is the health_facility:paho_id that is > the universal ID for medical facilities in Haiti and will allow OSM > data to interact more easily with other systems. > > This is our first attempt at using the Humanitarian OSM tags in the > wild: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags > > We made every attempt to continue to use already existing tags. The > wiki might need to be cleaned up a bit to match what is in the .osm > files. > > To summarize: > > 1. We want OSM to be the source of this type of data > 2. In order to be the source we need to include info of importance to NGOs > 3. Yes the Humanitarian Tags are a draft but we need to start somewhere. > 4. If there is something drastically wrong let me know and we'll > figure out how to fix it. > > I saw emails flying by regarding workflow I'm not sure the best way to > figure out who is working on what. > > > > Thanks for all your assistance and hardwork. > > Kate Chapman > User:wonderchook > > ___ > Talk-ht mailing list > Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht > > > ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
[Talk-ht] PAHO Medical Facilities imported into OSM
Hi, we've completed the first import of the PAHO master list of medical facilities into the OSM database. We've imported it semi-automatically and we've merged already mapped hospitals with the information provided by PAHO in order to avoid duplicates. In particular we've tried to match the PAHO records with records formerly collected by Sahana. *Summary*: * imported 1104 health facilities from PAHO * resolved conflicts with already mapped hospitals in OSM * identified 56 potential duplicates (with two or more potentially identical facilities but different PAHO ids) in the master list, see this report for more details: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Status/Hospitals#Duplicates * didn't import 3 chunks (~ 150 facilities) because their position looked strange when we had a closer look at the data. *More info*: * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Status/Hospitals *Next steps*: * to improve rendering of the facilities on OSM maps (in particular on Haiti specific maps) * to implement scripts which propagate updates in the PAHO master list to the OSM database * to import v2 of the PAHO master list using these scripts * later: to convert the tags used to tags compatible with the upcoming Humanitarian Data Model @Kate: I've submitted four issues in your issue tracking sheet. Could you check the potential duplicates and the issues with the facilities lumped together in clusters at the same position? Regards Karl ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [Talk-ht] PAHO Medical Facilities imported into OSM
Can you by chance detail how to do a semi-automatic import like this? I'd like to have this skillset. Thanks, Margie On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Karl Guggisberg wrote: > Hi, > > we've completed the first import of the PAHO master list of medical > facilities into the OSM database. We've imported it semi-automatically and > we've merged already mapped hospitals with the information provided by PAHO > in order to avoid duplicates. In particular we've tried to match the PAHO > records with records formerly collected by Sahana. > > Summary: > * imported 1104 health facilities from PAHO > * resolved conflicts with already mapped hospitals in OSM > * identified 56 potential duplicates (with two or more potentially identical > facilities but different PAHO ids) in the master list, see this report for > more details: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Status/Hospitals#Duplicates > * didn't import 3 chunks (~ 150 facilities) because their position looked > strange when we had a closer look at the data. > > More info: > * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/Status/Hospitals > > Next steps: > * to improve rendering of the facilities on OSM maps (in particular on Haiti > specific maps) > * to implement scripts which propagate updates in the PAHO master list to > the OSM database > * to import v2 of the PAHO master list using these scripts > * later: to convert the tags used to tags compatible with the upcoming > Humanitarian Data Model > > @Kate: I've submitted four issues in your issue tracking sheet. Could you > check the potential duplicates and the issues with the facilities lumped > together in clusters at the same position? > > Regards > Karl > > > ___ > Talk-ht mailing list > Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht > > -- Margie http://www.BaltimoreUrbanAg.org http://www.FarmersMarketVideo.org http://www.FriendlyCoffeehouse.org http://www.packtpub.com/drupal-5-views-recipes/book ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
[Talk-ht] Haiti Garmin Map
Hello Folks, I was down in Haiti and got a Garmin map from Fairfax called OSM-AllInOne-HT-bmap.20100125.exe It loaded great on my rino and we used it religioulsy for the past three weeks. think we only found one "short cut" that wasn't on it. and honestly we should not have been on that puppy either !! I came home for a few days to recharge the mental batteries and now we are getting ready to go back down on Tuesday and I am trying to load it on other Garmins and the executable says that it is corrupted. I looked on OSM for the file, but not having any luck. Can someone give me a direct link to it ? Looks like it is 6Mb so maybe it can be emailed... Thanks, -Bil Hawkins US Army Corps of Engineers bil...@wispertel.net ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [Talk-ht] Haiti Garmin Map
Bil, > Can someone give me a direct link to it ? http://dev.openstreetmap.de/aio/haiti/OSM-AllInOne-HT-bmap.exe Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [Talk-ht] Haiti Garmin Map
THANK YOU FREDERICK THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK. Can't tell you how welcome the map was in the first few days of chaos. It was VERY comforting to know our location late at night. Take care all ! Bil Hawkins --- frede...@remote.org wrote: From: Frederik Ramm To: bil...@wispertel.net CC: talk-ht@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-ht] Haiti Garmin Map Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:55:20 +0100 Bil, > Can someone give me a direct link to it ? http://dev.openstreetmap.de/aio/haiti/OSM-AllInOne-HT-bmap.exe Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [Talk-ht] Haiti Garmin Map
Hi Bil, 2010/2/7 Bil, karen, Delanee & Dakota Hawkins : > Hello Folks, > I was down in Haiti and got a Garmin map from Fairfax called > OSM-AllInOne-HT-bmap.20100125.exe > > It loaded great on my rino and we used it religioulsy for the past three > weeks. > think we only found one "short cut" that wasn't on it. > and honestly we should not have been on that puppy either !! > > I came home for a few days to recharge the mental batteries and now we are > getting ready to go back down on Tuesday and I am trying to load it on > other Garmins and the executable says that it is corrupted. > > I looked on OSM for the file, but not having any luck. You might also be interested in http://dev.openstreetmap.de/aio/haiti/OSM-AllInOne-HT-Damage.exe which is an additional layer showing building damage, refugee camps, landslides, and road blocks (they are even taken into account for routing). You still also need the basemap http://dev.openstreetmap.de/aio/haiti/OSM-AllInOne-HT-bmap.exe You can see how both combined look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/All_in_one_Garmin_Map Cheers Colin ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [Talk-ht] Haiti Garmin Map
This is probably a good thread to plug my little video: :) How to Load a Haiti Basemap onto a Garmin GPS Receiver http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFxbfemJfBM I usually find it by searching youtube.com for: Haiti GPS (I'm currently working on a video for haiti.ushahidi.com.) Best Regards, Margie On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Colin Marquardt wrote: > Hi Bil, > > 2010/2/7 Bil, karen, Delanee & Dakota Hawkins : >> Hello Folks, >> I was down in Haiti and got a Garmin map from Fairfax called >> OSM-AllInOne-HT-bmap.20100125.exe >> >> It loaded great on my rino and we used it religioulsy for the past three >> weeks. >> think we only found one "short cut" that wasn't on it. >> and honestly we should not have been on that puppy either !! >> >> I came home for a few days to recharge the mental batteries and now we are >> getting ready to go back down on Tuesday and I am trying to load it on >> other Garmins and the executable says that it is corrupted. >> >> I looked on OSM for the file, but not having any luck. > > You might also be interested in > http://dev.openstreetmap.de/aio/haiti/OSM-AllInOne-HT-Damage.exe > which is an additional layer showing building damage, refugee camps, > landslides, and road blocks (they are even taken into account for > routing). You still also need the basemap > http://dev.openstreetmap.de/aio/haiti/OSM-AllInOne-HT-bmap.exe > > You can see how both combined look at > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/All_in_one_Garmin_Map > > Cheers > Colin > > ___ > Talk-ht mailing list > Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht > -- Margie http://www.BaltimoreUrbanAg.org http://www.FarmersMarketVideo.org http://www.FriendlyCoffeehouse.org http://www.packtpub.com/drupal-5-views-recipes/book ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [Talk-ht] Haiti Garmin Map
Bil, Bil, karen, Delanee & Dakota Hawkins wrote: > THANK YOU FREDERICK > THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK. I gladly accept your gratitude for the whole of the OSM project - lots of people did a lot of work to make Garmin maps like the one you were using possible. My personal contribution to the "all in one" Haiti map which I pointed you to is, however, negligible - it was created by Christoph Wagner. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
[Talk-ht] URGENT Haiti field requirement: FOCUS mapping efforts on ROADS the areas in south west of Port au Prince - districts of Leogane, Gressier, Grand Goave and Petit Goave.
Hi all- I got this field requirement coming from the iMMAP GIS coordinator in Haiti: focus mapping efforts in areas south west of Port au Prince - districts of Leogane, Gressier, Grand Goave and Petit Goave. Great if some living in US east time can take this up this and provide a status for those on CET to carry out from where things were left. Best N -- Nicolas Chavent Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti Mobile (FRA): +33 6 75 14 29 70 Email: nicolas.chav...@gmail.com Skype: c_nicolas ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [Talk-ht] URGENT Haiti field requirement: FOCUS mapping efforts on ROADS the areas in south west of Port au Prince - districts of Leogane, Gressier, Grand Goave and Petit Goave.
What's CET? And can you give a little more detail on what to do in those areas? Also, I'm wondering about tools for displaying analytics of who's doing what, in the big picture, with OSM? Thanks, Margie On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 7:49 PM, nicolas chavent wrote: > > Hi all- > > I got this field requirement coming from the iMMAP GIS coordinator in Haiti: > focus mapping efforts in areas south west of Port au Prince - districts of > Leogane, Gressier, Grand Goave and Petit Goave. > Great if some living in US east time can take this up this and provide a > status for those on CET to carry out from where things were left. > > Best > N > > > -- > Nicolas Chavent > Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti > Mobile (FRA): +33 6 75 14 29 70 > Email: nicolas.chav...@gmail.com > Skype: c_nicolas > > > ___ > Talk-ht mailing list > Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht > > -- Margie http://www.BaltimoreUrbanAg.org http://www.FarmersMarketVideo.org http://www.FriendlyCoffeehouse.org http://www.packtpub.com/drupal-5-views-recipes/book ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [Talk-ht] URGENT Haiti field requirement: FOCUS mapping efforts on ROADS the areas in south west of Port au Prince - districts of Leogane, Gressier, Grand Goave and Petit Goave.
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Margie Roswell wrote: > What's CET? And can you give a little more detail on what to do in those > areas? Given the context, I'm assuming that it is Central European Time. -- Jeff Ollie ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [Talk-ht] URGENT Haiti field requirement: FOCUS mapping efforts on ROADS the areas in south west of Port au Prince - districts of Leogane, Gressier, Grand Goave and Petit Goave.
All- Apologies for double emailing CET = Central European Time. No more details on this request from the field than this set of areas to focus effort on mapping roads features i imagine looking at comprehensiveness of coverage and any obstacle to traffic. I'll revert to the list if further specification are provided Best N On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Margie Roswell wrote: > > What's CET? And can you give a little more detail on what to do in those > areas? > > Given the context, I'm assuming that it is Central European Time. > > -- > Jeff Ollie > -- Nicolas Chavent Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti Mobile (FRA): +33 6 75 14 29 70 Email: nicolas.chav...@gmail.com Skype: c_nicolas ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
Re: [Talk-ht] URGENT Haiti field requirement: FOCUS mapping efforts on ROADS the areas in south west of Port au Prince - districts of Leogane, Gressier, Grand Goave and Petit Goave.
It might be helpful to provide a list of satellite URLS, for folks using both JOSM, and Potlatch, for the areas in question. I don't have time right now to do that, but if someone wants to, it might help facilitate the work. Margie On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:37 PM, nicolas chavent wrote: > All- > > > Apologies for double emailing > > CET = Central European Time. > > No more details on this request from the field than this set of areas to > focus effort on mapping roads features i imagine looking at > comprehensiveness of coverage and any obstacle to traffic. I'll revert to > the list if further specification are provided > > Best > N > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: >> >> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Margie Roswell wrote: >> > What's CET? And can you give a little more detail on what to do in those >> > areas? >> >> Given the context, I'm assuming that it is Central European Time. >> >> -- >> Jeff Ollie > > > > -- > Nicolas Chavent > Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti > Mobile (FRA): +33 6 75 14 29 70 > Email: nicolas.chav...@gmail.com > Skype: c_nicolas > > -- Margie http://www.BaltimoreUrbanAg.org http://www.FarmersMarketVideo.org http://www.FriendlyCoffeehouse.org http://www.packtpub.com/drupal-5-views-recipes/book ___ Talk-ht mailing list Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ht
