Re: [Talk-ht] Mapathon nan okap

[Dagno louis]

Félicitations Samuel ALCE...grand mappeur ki toujou la pou ede OSM Haïti
nan catastrophe naturelle yo.
Kenbe la Samuel ,Cosmhanne apresye sa et lap fe menm Jan tou.
Le 8 oct. 2016 12:06 PM, "ALCE, Samuel Paul"  a
écrit :

> Bonjou tout moun,
>
> Nou aktyelman reyini nan vil Okap, tou pre Hotel
> Mont
> Jolie   pou nou ede nan fason pa nou tout
> zon ouragan Matthew te frape pandan li tap pase a.
>
> Nou ankouraje lot mapper yo pou fe menm jan tou paske "yon sel dwet pa
> manje kalalou"
>
> "ANSANM NOU PI FO"
>
>
> Nou tou pwofite fe fomasyon nan OSM pou Tony Marcelli ke nap swete yon byen
> vini sou system nan...
>
>
>
>
> --
> *ALCE Samuel Paul, *
>
> *Port-au-Prince, Haiti *
>
> *Field Data Coordinator @ DAI / USAID*
> *Géo-Information Specialist (GIS)*
>
> *Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team memberOpenStreetMap** contributor in
> Haiti *
>
> *OSM username: ALCE Samuel Paul *
>
> *Cell**: (509) 4894-2175 / 4638-4875 / 4289-7651
>
>  *
> *Skype**: samuelalce*
> *Whatsapp*: *(509) **4289-7651*
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[Talk-ht] Re : Lot Talk-ht, Vol 73, Parution 10

[louisius wedens]

Nou nan STM felisite nou pou inisyativ silaa, nap tou profite di nou demen 
dimanch la STM ap òganize yn mapathon kap kòmanse ak 9h am kap fini ak 4h pm yn 
fason poun ka pote yn repons ak tout moun ki frape pa ouragan ki fèk sot pase 
sou peyi a (Matthew). Nap tann tou moun ki vle patisipe ak nou.

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  1. Re: [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew response :
      Imagery/UAV coordination and support to local Haitian UAV
      capacities (nicolas chavent)
  2. Map4Haiti (Severin Menard)
  3. Re: [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew response :
      Imagery/UAV coordination and support to local Haitian UAV
      capacities (Blake Girardot)


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Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 16:07:02 +0200
From: nicolas chavent 
To: Activation WG 
Cc: Nate Smith , hot-francophone
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Subject: Re: [Talk-ht] [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew response
    : Imagery/UAV coordination and support to local Haitian UAV capacities
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Re: [Talk-ht] Re [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew response : Imagery/UAV coordination and support to local Haitian UAV capacities

[nicolas chavent]

Hi Blake,

It's hard to read from your email what HOT as the initial collective and
the US incorporated organization HOT US Inc had lose from 2010 Quake
response to 2016 Cyclone Matthew response: "HOT can do, which is organize
and support remote mapping in response to requests from responding
organizations."

What about field, local community building and ambition/ability to be a
game changer for IM/GIS in the Hum/Dev Field in few word truly/really
deliver on the objectives of the WHS Summit.

Can't you hear what Xavier tell you about their long-lasting ability to
operate professionally and smoothly UAVs in Haiti and ensurance to continue
in so doing? Do you really think that the Haitian sky is currently filled
with UAV/Dronists operating in chaotic and dangerous ways and constituting
additional hazards into a crisis ? There should be an equal or superior
number of UAVs flying in Tanzania with respect to Haiti, and this
rightfully did not prevent HOT US Inc to operate drones. Why can't this be
possible in Haiti ?

The requests of support are very limited (heli or car rides) and by no
means imply stepping on UNOCHA coordination role or other actors with more
experience in the field.

Your reply signals heavy losses for HOT US Inc from its early times:
operational compass, agility and comitment to local communities.
This raises question on the very nature of the current nature of community
support schemes in HOT US Inc "community" projects: is it for real, or is
it for communication, fundraising and finally empire building ?
This raises question on the vision associated to community support schemes:
what future for communities strengthened by HOT US Inc? What role shall a
disaster strike?

Contrary to what you seem to intend: these UAV discussions and the
underlying questions about community support schemes are by no means
distraction to HOT work. These are the core questions around which a
concept of operations has to be built to guide OSM efforts in Haiti? If you
want to be successful this needs to be fully established. Your repeated
refusal to help suggests that In between two major crisis 2010 Quake / 2016
Matthew, HOT US Inc di loose its loccal community compass.

Best,
Nicolas


On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:41 PM, Blake Girardot  wrote:

> I agree, we have to do things we do not like.
>
> I would like nothing more than to have the capacity, expertise and
> local authority contacts to be able to coordinate or sponsor UAV
> missions. That is what I would like.
>
> I would love to be able to somehow make them happen, but I and HOT as
> an organization just do not have that capacity so we can not do that.
>
> There is an organization that has that capacity, expertise and
> organizational contacts, that is UAviators. It would be the height of
> irresponsibility for myself or HOT as an organization to attempt
> coordinate or launch UAV operations, as much as I wish we could,
> especially when there is a professional organization that is already
> doing that.
>
> Non-professionally coordinated UAV operations in a disaster airspace
> can ground fleets of full scale aircraft providing relief and
> reconnaissance operations and cost lives. Air operations in a disaster
> area are serious business and not for amateurs to just do because they
> have a drone and 3 batteries. Fred as a professional UAV pilot
> recognizes this, unfortunately, we are not the organization
> responsible for those activities. UAviators is.
>
> Again, Fred and Nico are the professionals in this area, they are the
> natural folks to take this on and work with UAviators to get Fred
> flying his missions.
>
> There just is not any more HOT can do as it relates to this issue.
> Continued discussion of it is a distraction to what HOT can do, which
> is organize and support remote mapping in response to requests from
> responding organizations.
>
> Regards
> Blake
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 8:12 PM, François-Xavier Lamure Tardieu
>  wrote:
> > Bonjour,
> >
> > ceci est une page pour les créolophones et les francophones d’Haiti, les
> > messages doivent être traduits aussi dans une de ces 2 langues.
> > Après, permettez moi de ne pas être d’accord avec ce que vous écrivez.
> > Même si le conseil d’administration de HOT s’occupe de la stratégie et
> > considère ne pas devoir s’impliquer dans tout ce qui concerne les
> drones, la
> > situation dans les urgences appelle à plus de retenue car on est souvent
> > amené à faire des choses  que l’on aime pas faire.
> >  De plus, il ne s’agit pas ici d’une organisation avec qui vous pourriez
> > être partenaire mais d’un membre actif de votre organisation, qui
> demande un
> > soutien.
> > Par ailleurs, jusqu’à présent, pour autant que je connaisse, jamais nos
> vols
> > drone n’ont reçu un quelconque écho défavorable en Haïti que ce soit du
> > gouvernement ou des organisations nationales ou internationales qui nous
> > soutiennent.
> >
> >
> > This is a page for 

Re: [Talk-ht] [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew response : Imagery/UAV coordination and support to local Haitian UAV capacities

[nicolas chavent]

Hi Blake,

Yes Fred and the Haitian dronists on the ground have skills and extensive
experience but little resources to keep up their work; this did not prevent
them from doing what they are good at. This can limit the span of their
action at a time where humanitarian actors need local capacities to
generate post disaster UAV imagery as well as satellite imagery to carry
out post disaster needs assessment. Support to their work can span from
small logistics support (rides in UNHAS, helis, plane and cars). This is
quite common to get such support in any sudden onset disaster responses
when GIS/UAV resources (leading to high impact for IM and decision making)
already undersized are rare, too rare.

When HOT started its first field missions, we were exactly in the same
situation as Fred. Skilled individuals (less experimented though) with
adequate equipment, but with little operational resources. We did good.
Without the above mentioned forms of support, though our impact would have
been limited and the course of action for OMS in Haiti and in other
countries different.

With the above in mind, it's weird to read that the president of HOT US Inc
stating that the only HOT US Inc support for Fred and this collective of
local Haitian dronists is only a well known list of UAV groups and a
pointer to UN OCHA. That's of no help.

UAV are used in Tanzania by HOT US Inc in Development and Disaster Risk
Reduction (DRR) contexts [1]. Thanks to multi years of UAV activities in
Haiti, this country is no longer a terra incognita when it comes to drones
and there is no such thing as "UAV missions in disaster zones with
notoriously complicated airspaces" but an area where it's possible to
operate and make the difference we ought to the Haitians and to the
Haitians mappers/dronists who acquired part of their skills via HOT US Inc
and OSM folks.

Do we have to understand that HOT US Inc will not help with simple
facilitation work with partner relief organizations working in Haiti, some
of those orgs (ARC, MSF etc) having representatives in the membership or
the Board ?

Given where HOT US Inc comes from and ironically in Haiti, this would mean
a lot in terms of the losses of our operational/organizational ethos and
would raise questions about the reality of support/empowerment schemes to
local communities or possible conflict of interest between members/Board
members of HOT US Inc and other organizations.

Best,
Nicolas

[1] : https://hotosm.org/projects/tanzania

On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Blake Girardot  wrote:

> Hi Nico,
>
> As you say, you and Fred have extensive experience in Hait and working
> with international partners in Haiti. Fred is actually on the ground
> in Haiti. You and he would be the best to coordinate him flying
> missions.
>
> This is not something HOT does, we do not coordinate or push for UAV
> missions in disaster zones with notoriously complicated airspaces. We
> rely on, and UAV missions need to be handled, by professionals, which
> you and Fred are, so I expect you should be able to handle making the
> proper arrangements and coordinations.
>
> I already suggested who to contact, UAviators, they have coordinated
> UAV missions in disaster zones in the past numerous times in
> conjunction with UN-OCHA. That is HOT's contact, I passed it on to you
> already.
>
> This is all HOT can do, except eagerly anticipate the imagery Fred's
> missions generate.
>
> Regards,
> Blake
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[Talk-ht] Re [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew response : Imagery/UAV coordination and support to local Haitian UAV capacities

[François-Xavier Lamure Tardieu]

Bonjour,

ceci est une page pour les créolophones et les francophones d’Haiti, les 
messages doivent être traduits aussi dans une de ces 2 langues.

Après, permettez moi de ne pas être d’accord avec ce que vous écrivez.
Même si le conseil d’administration de HOT s’occupe de la stratégie et 
considère ne pas devoir s’impliquer dans tout ce qui concerne les 
drones, la situation dans les urgences appelle à plus de retenue car on 
est souvent amené à faire des choses  que l’on aime pas faire.
 De plus, il ne s’agit pas ici d’une organisation avec qui vous 
pourriez être partenaire mais d’un membre actif de votre organisation, 
qui demande un soutien.
Par ailleurs, jusqu’à présent, pour autant que je connaisse, jamais nos 
vols drone n’ont reçu un quelconque écho défavorable en Haïti que ce 
soit du gouvernement ou des organisations nationales ou internationales 
qui nous soutiennent.



This is a page for the Haitian Creole and French of Haiti, so the 
messages must be translated too into one of these two languages.

After, let me not agree with what you write.
Although the HOT board of directors is responsible for the strategy and 
considers it inappropriate to get involved in everything concerning the 
UAV, the situation in emergencies calls for more restraint. Often in 
emergency time, we are compulsory to do things we don’t like to do.
Moreover, it is not a question here of an organization with which you 
might be partner, but an active member of your organization, which ask 
you for your support.
Moreover, until now, as far as I know, never our drone flights did  
receive any negative echo in Haiti either government or national or 
international organizations that support us.

Sorry for my english

Bien à vous
Xavier Tardieu
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[Talk-ht] Mapathon nan okap

[ALCE, Samuel Paul]

Bonjou tout moun,

Nou aktyelman reyini nan vil Okap, tou pre Hotel Mont
Jolie   pou nou ede nan fason pa nou tout
zon ouragan Matthew te frape pandan li tap pase a.

Nou ankouraje lot mapper yo pou fe menm jan tou paske "yon sel dwet pa
manje kalalou"

"ANSANM NOU PI FO"


Nou tou pwofite fe fomasyon nan OSM pou Tony Marcelli ke nap swete yon byen
vini sou system nan...




-- 
*ALCE Samuel Paul, *

*Port-au-Prince, Haiti *

*Field Data Coordinator @ DAI / USAID*
*Géo-Information Specialist (GIS)*

*Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team memberOpenStreetMap** contributor in
Haiti *

*OSM username: ALCE Samuel Paul *

*Cell**: (509) 4894-2175 / 4638-4875 / 4289-7651

 *
*Skype**: samuelalce*
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[Talk-ht] konbit katograpik Haiti Communitere 9 octob

[François-Xavier Lamure Tardieu]

Bonjour,


nous organisons pour répondre à l’ouragan Matthew un kombit autour de la 
cartographie collaborative OpenStreetMap, à Haiti Communitere à 
Port-au-Prince, le dimanche 9 octobre.


Venez entre 10h et 15h avec vos ordinateurs, souris, clé internet, bonne 
volonté et que ça roule !!!


Pour ceux qui ne sont pas très forts dans les ordinateurs ou la 
cartographie, ils peuvent venir aussi, le lieu est ouvert à tout le monde.


Il y a de l’eau à boire disponible mais on peut aussi amener un petit 
quelque à partager ensemble que ce soit à boire ou à manger.



Pou sipòte tout moun ki te sibi nan moman ouragan Matthieu, nap oganize 
yon konbit katyokrafik dimanch 9 octòb nan Haiti Communitere nan Pòtoprens.


Nou ka vini nan 10è am rive 3è pm, ak òdinate, souris, kle intenet.

Moun ki pa tro fo nan òdinate ka vini tou.

Gen dlo pou bwe ki disponib, mè si chak moun ka vini ak yon bagay pou 
bwe ou pou manje pou pataje ak lòt moun, lap pi bon toujou.



We are organising an mapping party to help people for Matthew hurricane 
at Haiti Communitere, on october 9th in Port-au-Prince.


You can come between 10 am and 3 pm with your laptop, mouse, internet key.

People who are not so good in mapping can come too.

There is drink water, but if every people come with something (food or 
drink) to share with others, it will be a nice day.



Xavier





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Re: [Talk-ht] [activation hotosm] Hurricane Matthew response : Imagery/UAV coordination and support to local Haitian UAV capacities

[Blake Girardot]

Hi Nico,

As you say, you and Fred have extensive experience in Hait and working
with international partners in Haiti. Fred is actually on the ground
in Haiti. You and he would be the best to coordinate him flying
missions.

This is not something HOT does, we do not coordinate or push for UAV
missions in disaster zones with notoriously complicated airspaces. We
rely on, and UAV missions need to be handled, by professionals, which
you and Fred are, so I expect you should be able to handle making the
proper arrangements and coordinations.

I already suggested who to contact, UAviators, they have coordinated
UAV missions in disaster zones in the past numerous times in
conjunction with UN-OCHA. That is HOT's contact, I passed it on to you
already.

This is all HOT can do, except eagerly anticipate the imagery Fred's
missions generate.

Regards,
Blake

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[Talk-ht] Map4Haiti

[Severin Menard]

Bonjour,

Nous sommes une trentaine actuellement l'Amicale de Bouaké en Côte d'Ivoire
pour cartographier sur Haiti.

Sur son instance tasks.hotosm.org, l'ONG HOT est passée ces jours derniers
sur différents territoires, en partant de l'ouest et en allant vers l'est,
en mettant l'accent du mapping de précision au bâtiment près sur les
principales villes côtières, actuellement Léogâne.

Nous avons décidé de compléter cette action de cartographie selon plusieurs
axes :

- cartographie de lieux particulièrement cruciaux, à savoir les abords des
abris d'urgence de la Direction de la Protection Civile sur les zones
d'impact 1 et 2 définies par UNOSAT, ajoutés par les membres de la
Communauté OSM de Haïti en 2011 pour le compte de l'Organisation
Internationale des Migrations - IOM.

- cartographie des zones centrales, montagneuses du pays, en commençant par
la partie où la cartographie est la plus lacunaire, au Nord-Est du
département de Grande Anse sur les communes de Corail et Pestel. Ce projet
est réservé aux cartographes les plus novices, formés cependant toute cette
semaine aux outils d'OSM. Plus de 20 personnes travaillent actuellement
dessus.

- la ville littorale de Corail, qui reste encore presque entièrement à
cartographier, et à laquelle s'attache des cartographes plus expérimentés

- la ville de Jérémie, dont l’état pré-désastre est encore loin d'être
réalisé, avec beaucoup de bâtiments manquants ou imparfaitement
cartographiés, notamment dans le centre-ville. C'est une tâche réservée
uniquement à des cartographes chevronnés avec une longue expérience d'OSM
et déjà beaucoup d'édits. Une couverture par drone est en cours, menée par
l’association haitiano-suisse Potentiel 3.0, et fournira une imagerie
post-désastre de très haute précision

Ces différents projets sont accessibles sur
http://taches.francophonelibre.org/

L'ensemble des projets en cours peut être visualisé sur cette uMap, qui
montre la complémentarité des différents projets :
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/cyclone-matthew-haiti-abris-et-mapping-distant_105470

Comme écrit hier sur talk-ht, Haïti n'est pas en reste de son côté et
s'active pour participer localement à ces actions de cartographie :
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ht/2016-October/001281.html

Séverin
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