Re: [OSM-talk-ie] mapping roads
It would be useful if we got a firm no, before we start re-inventing the wheel. Personally I would not need an app. There are loads of OSM apps that allow editing on the go. It would be useful to track the number of zones entered to see if we are missing any. On 14/03/2014, Donie Kelly donie.ke...@gmail.com wrote: Would it be useful if I released an app that allowed you to mark the beginning and end of the zones? I could also gather the speed limit if you drive it at close to the limits? Could we get the community to help out? I'm thinking of releasing it for free. A paid option gets you live camera reports. I love to get your help so I can do this without risk of breaching copyrights. Donie On 14 Mar 2014, at 19:50, Daniel Cussen d...@post.com wrote: I've just got a response from An Garda that my request has been passed up the chain. Fingers crossed. Donie Donie Did you ever get an official response from the Gardai regarding your request to use the data from Gardai.ie speedzones? I am very interested in putting in this data too. If we get the official NO then we can begin mapping them ourselves and proactively seeking them out and marking them. I travel on national routes countrywide quite often so I could start getting the GPS positions of the signs on each side of the road, if we cannot use the Gardai info. So the first thing should be to get an official respose, and if it is yes then it should be easy to map the zones http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dspeed_camera http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement On 14/03/2014, Donie Kelly donie.ke...@gmail.com wrote: Can we add the restricted speed zones? The ones the go safe cameras are on? Just the speed limits on those stretches? I'm working on an app for the speed zones and I'd like to be able to pop up the speed limits as they are not always signed. I can statically scan for updates to release to the app when updates on the roads are implemented. Any objections on using the data for this? Donie On 14 Mar 2014, at 18:27, da fo43 daf...@outlook.com wrote: Hello All, First time posting on the mailing list but I've spoken individually to a number of you already. There can't be too many roads still to map in Ireland now so I guess the next step would be to improve the quality by filling in road numbers, names, etc. So I'm going to propose a few standards and see what people think. 1. Map L roads 1000 to 4999 (Local Primary) as 'Tertiary' and all other public roads as 'Unclassified' or 'Residential'. I know people have a lot of differing views on this and will admit that some local primary roads seem to have less importance than Local Secondary and Local Tertiary roads but really I think it's better to go with what is designated rather than making judgement calls. On some parts of the map all roads are being set to 'Tertiary' so really I don't think the current system works. All other roads are mapped as per designation so I personally don't see why this should be any different. 2. Labeling roads L1000- with spaces. I see on some parts of the map that roads are being labelled with a space 'L 1234' instead of 'L1234'. I would be in favour of sticking to one standard, and going with the majority in not using a space. 3. Labeling roads over L. I propose the labeling roads listed as L12341 as L1234-1 as this makes it easier to read and work out which branch of primary/secondary road it belongs to. I guess this might not suit everyone. 4. Non public roads to be displayed as 'Service' or 'Track' only. It's not always obvious if some roads are private (especially some housing estates) but where it is known for certain they are private then I would be in favour of using a 'service' road rather than 'residential' or 'unclassified'. Hopefully we can agree on some things and apologies if I have overwritten anyone's work recently, it's certainly not my intention to do so and I will go with whatever the consensus is. Lastly I was planning on making some small updates to the Wiki page, just a general cleanup on removing dead links and adding a sat nav section, if anyone has any objections please let me know. David ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] mapping roads
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 09:06:30PM +, Donie Kelly wrote: I got nothing back. Didn't follow it up. The Garda website says it complies with the Regulations on the Re-Use of Public Sector Information: http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=1442Lang=1 You might have better luck contacting the people at http://psi.gov.ie/, they might be able to clarify about reusing information in OSM. Cheers, Andrew ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] mapping roads
I’ve followed up with both now. Thanks for the links. I had let it slide but I’d really like to get this app moving again… I need it myself. Anybody interested in helping me get these mapped ourselves? If we gather the data ourselves we are under no obligation to anybody? I’ve set up a few routes with the enforcement on them and I need you guys to check them. You can use the following query at http://overpass-turbo.eu/index.html and it will highlight the roads with speed limits and enforcement on them. There are two on the ennis road leaving limerick and one outside Banagher in Offaly. Can you guys check they are done ok? http://overpass-turbo.eu/?q=PCEtLQpUaGlzIMSHIGFuIGV4YW1wbGUgT3ZlcnBhc8SIcXXEmXkuxIRyecSJdCBvdcSoYsSmcHJlxJ1pbmcgdGjElVJ1xI1ixKt0b8SNYWJvxJghClnEqiBjxIwgZsSzZCBtb8SwxI7EkMSSxJTEiHdpxLfEtsS4IExvYcWQxL9vbMSjxII-CjzEu2nFgMWpCTzEn8ShxLZ5cGU9IndheSLFqSAJxbBoxJwta3Yga8W4ZW5mxZNjZW3GinQiIHbFuG1heHPFtmVkIi_Fr8WwYsWDeC3FssSlIHt7xqJveH19xp8KxbAvxqZ5xak8L8Wsxa4KxarEr8SzxKjFkmTFtyLFg2TFvMawPMSwY3Vyc8SVdMW1x4Jkb3duxp7Gtsa9bsa_b8eBxbhza2XElMS_x5XGnwc=BGGE0A8XKNR I can build this query into the back end of the app and turn it into a form the app can use. It will be delivered to the app as regular updates automatically so updates to the OSM will make it into the app every day or week or whatever the update interval is. I’d rather use the OSM as a data source that is dynamic so that if new zones appear in future we can get them into the app with no delay or intervention by me. I’m using parse.com as the backend if anybody wants to give me a hand… :) Donie On 15 Mar 2014, at 22:31, Andrew McCarthy m...@andrewmccarthy.ie wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 09:06:30PM +, Donie Kelly wrote: I got nothing back. Didn't follow it up. The Garda website says it complies with the Regulations on the Re-Use of Public Sector Information: http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=1442Lang=1 You might have better luck contacting the people at http://psi.gov.ie/, they might be able to clarify about reusing information in OSM. Cheers, Andrew ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] mapping roads
On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM, da fo43 daf...@outlook.com wrote: Hello All, First time posting on the mailing list but I've spoken individually to a number of you already. There can't be too many roads still to map in Ireland now so I guess the next step would be to improve the quality by filling in road numbers, names, etc. So I'm going to propose a few standards and see what people think. 1. Map L roads 1000 to 4999 (Local Primary) as 'Tertiary' and all other public roads as 'Unclassified' or 'Residential'. Changing the tagging of roads based on an arbitrary reason such as an assigned L ref value where we presume there is a consistent scheme applied to it is mindless. Not all [county] councils assigned values based on the quality of the road, I know of at least one where the assigned value is based on the electoral division that the road is in. Changing the tagging of anything based on the self-perceived notion that you know better where in actual fact you might not, is little more than mindless vandalism. Good intentions or not. This is why I hope you are looking for advice first, here and now, before you change anything based on your gut feel. I know people have a lot of differing views on this and will admit that some local primary roads seem to have less importance than Local Secondary and Local Tertiary roads but really I think it's better to go with what is designated rather than making judgement calls. On some parts of the map all roads are being set to 'Tertiary' so really I don't think the current system works. All other roads are mapped as per designation so I personally don't see why this should be any different. Tag a road as how it is - if a road is primarily residential then tag it as residential. If a road, no matter what the classification is according to how you interpret an L-ref number, is only good enough for being unclassified rather than, say tertiary, then tag it as that. If some remnant of the old N7 is now little more than a cul-de-sac with a few houses on it, tag it as such, not highway=primary :-) Take a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway to see what I mean, and remember: If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and smell's like a duck then it's a duck. 2. Labeling roads L1000- with spaces. I see on some parts of the map that roads are being labelled with a space 'L 1234' instead of 'L1234'. I would be in favour of sticking to one standard, and going with the majority in not using a space. Not having spaces is good, but please don't readjust the formatting otherwise! Read on... 3. Labeling roads over L. I propose the labeling roads listed as L12341 as L1234-1 as this makes it easier to read and work out which branch of primary/secondary road it belongs to. I guess this might not suit everyone. Ground Truth requires that you map it as you see it, not as how you wish you saw it. Please don't remove hyphens from where you think they don't belong and add them to where you want them. There are enough standards without making up more - or I suppose you could say people get confused easily enough without adding reformatting into the mix. 4. Non public roads to be displayed as 'Service' or 'Track' only. It's not always obvious if some roads are private (especially some housing estates) but where it is known for certain they are private then I would be in favour of using a 'service' road rather than 'residential' or 'unclassified'. If the main use of a road is residential (e.g. down a cul-de-sac or in a housing estate), then tag it as residential. Tracks are roads for agricultural or forestry use. Private residential roads should be tagged highway=residential;access=private not as highway=service which means something completely different (and used to tag things such as alleys, parking aisles and the likes). Remember my duck sentence? :-) Ken -- http://about.me/kenguest/ ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
