Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Operator=*
On 02/07/2015, Colm Moore colmmoor...@hotmail.com wrote: There are a handful of entries for IE (Iarnród Éireann) that need to be changed to Irish Rail (several thousand). I actually thought that the main name (which goes in operator as opposed to operator:LC) was the irish one in this case ? The on-board annoucements say Thank you for travelling on Iarnroód Éireann, and the irish name is displayed more prominently on the website. The domain name is in English, but that may be due to wanting to avoid diacritics. I can see that OSM has currently settled on the english name for operator=*, but I wonder wether that's strictly correct ? ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
[OSM-talk-ie] Operator=*
Hi, I've been tidying up a lot of these, using http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/tags-o.html and the likes. However, some of the links on that page are problematic and I need help. There are a handful of entries for IE (Iarnród Éireann) that need to be changed to Irish Rail (several thousand). There is one entry for Garda Siochana that needs to be change to An Garda Síochána (dozens). There are about 20 entries for Bank Of Ireland (capital O) that need to be changed to Bank of Ireland (hundreds). There are a handful of entries for First Trust and First Trust Bank which are **names**. The **operator** is AIB Group (UK) p.l.c. http://personal.firsttrustbank.co.uk/ Thank you Colm --- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Operator=*
On 2 July 2015 at 11:29, Colm Moore colmmoor...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I've been tidying up a lot of these, using http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/tags-o.html and the likes. There are a handful of entries for First Trust and First Trust Bank which are **names**. The **operator** is AIB Group (UK) p.l.c. http://personal.firsttrustbank.co.uk/ AIB Group (UK) - are you sure about that there now Ted? :-) -- http://about.me/kenguest/ ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Design competition for a new logo
The second twitter account will be going shortly.
On 2 Jul 2015 12:50, ke...@vool.ie ke...@vool.ie wrote:
Site looks good, but why the second twitter account ?
https://twitter.com/osm_irl
https://twitter.com/osm_ie
.k
On 01/07/15 16:35, Dave Corley wrote:
Hi all,
So at the last meetup one thing everyone agreed was that we need to get
moving on forming into a proper entity. Its something that has been spoken
about off an on for the last 2 years and something which we have done
little about.
With that in mind, I spent most of the meetup working on the website
www.openstreetmap.ie and its starting to come together nicely.
Cliff originally designed the logo on that site but pointed out in a
recent
email that it was something that was intended as a placeholder only and
that a better logo is probably achievable.
On that basis, using the recent JOSM Hot logo competition parameters as
a
guideline, I'd like to announce a competition for a new logo for
OpenStreetMap Ireland. This logo will primarily be used on the website and
twitter, however in time and with the right resources there's no reason it
wouldn't end up on stickers, t-shirts etc.
On to the competition guidelines
*Competition Rules*
- The competition is open to anyone. Entrants can be an individual or
team of people, even a design company
- Entries must be in SVG format
- Entry designs should be emailed to my atdavecor...@gmail.com as
attached SVG file(s) with a subject line of Logo entry from XYZ
- Entries must be received before midnight GMT on 17th July 2015
- Artists can make variations of other public domain artwork, although
credit must be given where credit is due (and credit will be given
when the
winner is chosen)
- Individuals are allowed to submit multiple entries, but you are
encouraged to put work into one or two designs, and no more than five.
- The winning design will be chosen by a community vote to be held
during a one week period from 20th-26th July 2015
- The winning design will be announced on 01st Aug 2015
- Have fun!
*Design Brief*
*Conceptual Suggestions*
- Remember, OpenStreetMap Ireland is a cross border group so steer
clear
of a design that is overtly Southern or Northern focused
- The logo should use the current OpenStreetMap logo as a basis, but
don't let that constrain your design, some out of the box surreal
design
might look awesome but then something super simple might look just as
good
so don't dismiss anything
- You may find inspiration among other community designs at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logos#Logo_design_competitions
or the
JOSM competition enterieshttps://
josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/LogoContest
*Where will the logo be used?*
- The twitter account
- We will also use the logo in the openstreetmap.ie homepage
- Other electronic materials, proposal documents, presentation slides
etc.
- It may get used on printed materials: Letter headings, small
stickers
('moo.com' size), large stickers (to go on boxes), T-shirts.
- Any other creative uses by the community promoting OpenStreetMap in
Ireland.
*Design requirements*
- *Vector -* The design must be available in a vector format. If you
do
not know how to create SVG, team up with someone who does.
- *Copyright.* You must be willing and able to waive all rights to
your
design, handing over copyright ownership to OpenStreetMap Ireland,
granting
them a complete and irrevocable right to use, adapt, distribute the
work.
Of course, we intend to allow all use and re-use, but we may at some
point
need to register the design as a trademark. Let's do away with any
awkward
legal barriers up front. We also promise the winning artist(s) will be
credited, including a link of their choice, on the openstreetmap.ie
blog, but beyond that we do not guarantee any attribution, and
certainly
don't want to require it for downstream uses.
- *Square -* We're looking for a logo which fits OK in a square area.
This is to fit with the twitter requirement and also moo stickers.
The logo
itself doesn't need to be square shape, but should look OK occupying a
square area. Text can be added in various configurations afterwards
(e.g.
to the right of the logo, to form a horizontal strip for the top of
the
openstreetmap.ie homepage)
*Best of luck!*
Thanks,
Dave
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Design competition for a new logo
I agree. the osm_ie account is older and has a lot more
history/tweets/followers attached to it which is why I'd suggest keeping it
in use and ditching the _irl one.
On 2 July 2015 at 12:49, ke...@vool.ie ke...@vool.ie wrote:
Site looks good, but why the second twitter account ?
https://twitter.com/osm_irl
https://twitter.com/osm_ie
.k
On 01/07/15 16:35, Dave Corley wrote:
Hi all,
So at the last meetup one thing everyone agreed was that we need to get
moving on forming into a proper entity. Its something that has been spoken
about off an on for the last 2 years and something which we have done
little about.
With that in mind, I spent most of the meetup working on the website
www.openstreetmap.ie and its starting to come together nicely.
Cliff originally designed the logo on that site but pointed out in a
recent
email that it was something that was intended as a placeholder only and
that a better logo is probably achievable.
On that basis, using the recent JOSM Hot logo competition parameters as
a
guideline, I'd like to announce a competition for a new logo for
OpenStreetMap Ireland. This logo will primarily be used on the website and
twitter, however in time and with the right resources there's no reason it
wouldn't end up on stickers, t-shirts etc.
On to the competition guidelines
*Competition Rules*
- The competition is open to anyone. Entrants can be an individual or
team of people, even a design company
- Entries must be in SVG format
- Entry designs should be emailed to my atdavecor...@gmail.com as
attached SVG file(s) with a subject line of Logo entry from XYZ
- Entries must be received before midnight GMT on 17th July 2015
- Artists can make variations of other public domain artwork, although
credit must be given where credit is due (and credit will be given
when the
winner is chosen)
- Individuals are allowed to submit multiple entries, but you are
encouraged to put work into one or two designs, and no more than five.
- The winning design will be chosen by a community vote to be held
during a one week period from 20th-26th July 2015
- The winning design will be announced on 01st Aug 2015
- Have fun!
*Design Brief*
*Conceptual Suggestions*
- Remember, OpenStreetMap Ireland is a cross border group so steer
clear
of a design that is overtly Southern or Northern focused
- The logo should use the current OpenStreetMap logo as a basis, but
don't let that constrain your design, some out of the box surreal
design
might look awesome but then something super simple might look just as
good
so don't dismiss anything
- You may find inspiration among other community designs at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logos#Logo_design_competitions
or the
JOSM competition enterieshttps://
josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/LogoContest
*Where will the logo be used?*
- The twitter account
- We will also use the logo in the openstreetmap.ie homepage
- Other electronic materials, proposal documents, presentation slides
etc.
- It may get used on printed materials: Letter headings, small
stickers
('moo.com' size), large stickers (to go on boxes), T-shirts.
- Any other creative uses by the community promoting OpenStreetMap in
Ireland.
*Design requirements*
- *Vector -* The design must be available in a vector format. If you
do
not know how to create SVG, team up with someone who does.
- *Copyright.* You must be willing and able to waive all rights to
your
design, handing over copyright ownership to OpenStreetMap Ireland,
granting
them a complete and irrevocable right to use, adapt, distribute the
work.
Of course, we intend to allow all use and re-use, but we may at some
point
need to register the design as a trademark. Let's do away with any
awkward
legal barriers up front. We also promise the winning artist(s) will be
credited, including a link of their choice, on the openstreetmap.ie
blog, but beyond that we do not guarantee any attribution, and
certainly
don't want to require it for downstream uses.
- *Square -* We're looking for a logo which fits OK in a square area.
This is to fit with the twitter requirement and also moo stickers.
The logo
itself doesn't need to be square shape, but should look OK occupying a
square area. Text can be added in various configurations afterwards
(e.g.
to the right of the logo, to form a horizontal strip for the top of
the
openstreetmap.ie homepage)
*Best of luck!*
Thanks,
Dave
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Design competition for a new logo
Site looks good, but why the second twitter account ?
https://twitter.com/osm_irl
https://twitter.com/osm_ie
.k
On 01/07/15 16:35, Dave Corley wrote:
Hi all,
So at the last meetup one thing everyone agreed was that we need to get
moving on forming into a proper entity. Its something that has been spoken
about off an on for the last 2 years and something which we have done
little about.
With that in mind, I spent most of the meetup working on the website
www.openstreetmap.ie and its starting to come together nicely.
Cliff originally designed the logo on that site but pointed out in a recent
email that it was something that was intended as a placeholder only and
that a better logo is probably achievable.
On that basis, using the recent JOSM Hot logo competition parameters as a
guideline, I'd like to announce a competition for a new logo for
OpenStreetMap Ireland. This logo will primarily be used on the website and
twitter, however in time and with the right resources there's no reason it
wouldn't end up on stickers, t-shirts etc.
On to the competition guidelines
*Competition Rules*
- The competition is open to anyone. Entrants can be an individual or
team of people, even a design company
- Entries must be in SVG format
- Entry designs should be emailed to my atdavecor...@gmail.com as
attached SVG file(s) with a subject line of Logo entry from XYZ
- Entries must be received before midnight GMT on 17th July 2015
- Artists can make variations of other public domain artwork, although
credit must be given where credit is due (and credit will be given when the
winner is chosen)
- Individuals are allowed to submit multiple entries, but you are
encouraged to put work into one or two designs, and no more than five.
- The winning design will be chosen by a community vote to be held
during a one week period from 20th-26th July 2015
- The winning design will be announced on 01st Aug 2015
- Have fun!
*Design Brief*
*Conceptual Suggestions*
- Remember, OpenStreetMap Ireland is a cross border group so steer clear
of a design that is overtly Southern or Northern focused
- The logo should use the current OpenStreetMap logo as a basis, but
don't let that constrain your design, some out of the box surreal design
might look awesome but then something super simple might look just as good
so don't dismiss anything
- You may find inspiration among other community designs at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logos#Logo_design_competitions or the
JOSM competition enterieshttps://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/LogoContest
*Where will the logo be used?*
- The twitter account
- We will also use the logo in the openstreetmap.ie homepage
- Other electronic materials, proposal documents, presentation slides
etc.
- It may get used on printed materials: Letter headings, small stickers
('moo.com' size), large stickers (to go on boxes), T-shirts.
- Any other creative uses by the community promoting OpenStreetMap in
Ireland.
*Design requirements*
- *Vector -* The design must be available in a vector format. If you do
not know how to create SVG, team up with someone who does.
- *Copyright.* You must be willing and able to waive all rights to your
design, handing over copyright ownership to OpenStreetMap Ireland, granting
them a complete and irrevocable right to use, adapt, distribute the work.
Of course, we intend to allow all use and re-use, but we may at some point
need to register the design as a trademark. Let's do away with any awkward
legal barriers up front. We also promise the winning artist(s) will be
credited, including a link of their choice, on the openstreetmap.ie
blog, but beyond that we do not guarantee any attribution, and certainly
don't want to require it for downstream uses.
- *Square -* We're looking for a logo which fits OK in a square area.
This is to fit with the twitter requirement and also moo stickers. The logo
itself doesn't need to be square shape, but should look OK occupying a
square area. Text can be added in various configurations afterwards (e.g.
to the right of the logo, to form a horizontal strip for the top of the
openstreetmap.ie homepage)
*Best of luck!*
Thanks,
Dave
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Design competition for a new logo
Yup, the osm_ie twitter account is to be the one used.
The osm_irl one was one I setup when putting the site together to get
things working and because I thought it might be a bit more neutral then
the ie account but it seems like that isn't an issue.
Dave
On 2 Jul 2015 14:19, Ken Guest kgu...@php.net wrote:
I agree. the osm_ie account is older and has a lot more
history/tweets/followers attached to it which is why I'd suggest keeping it
in use and ditching the _irl one.
On 2 July 2015 at 12:49, ke...@vool.ie ke...@vool.ie wrote:
Site looks good, but why the second twitter account ?
https://twitter.com/osm_irl
https://twitter.com/osm_ie
.k
On 01/07/15 16:35, Dave Corley wrote:
Hi all,
So at the last meetup one thing everyone agreed was that we need to get
moving on forming into a proper entity. Its something that has been
spoken
about off an on for the last 2 years and something which we have done
little about.
With that in mind, I spent most of the meetup working on the website
www.openstreetmap.ie and its starting to come together nicely.
Cliff originally designed the logo on that site but pointed out in a
recent
email that it was something that was intended as a placeholder only and
that a better logo is probably achievable.
On that basis, using the recent JOSM Hot logo competition parameters
as
a
guideline, I'd like to announce a competition for a new logo for
OpenStreetMap Ireland. This logo will primarily be used on the website
and
twitter, however in time and with the right resources there's no reason
it
wouldn't end up on stickers, t-shirts etc.
On to the competition guidelines
*Competition Rules*
- The competition is open to anyone. Entrants can be an individual
or
team of people, even a design company
- Entries must be in SVG format
- Entry designs should be emailed to my atdavecor...@gmail.com as
attached SVG file(s) with a subject line of Logo entry from XYZ
- Entries must be received before midnight GMT on 17th July 2015
- Artists can make variations of other public domain artwork,
although
credit must be given where credit is due (and credit will be given
when the
winner is chosen)
- Individuals are allowed to submit multiple entries, but you are
encouraged to put work into one or two designs, and no more than
five.
- The winning design will be chosen by a community vote to be held
during a one week period from 20th-26th July 2015
- The winning design will be announced on 01st Aug 2015
- Have fun!
*Design Brief*
*Conceptual Suggestions*
- Remember, OpenStreetMap Ireland is a cross border group so steer
clear
of a design that is overtly Southern or Northern focused
- The logo should use the current OpenStreetMap logo as a basis, but
don't let that constrain your design, some out of the box surreal
design
might look awesome but then something super simple might look just
as
good
so don't dismiss anything
- You may find inspiration among other community designs at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logos#Logo_design_competitions
or the
JOSM competition enterieshttps://
josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/LogoContest
*Where will the logo be used?*
- The twitter account
- We will also use the logo in the openstreetmap.ie homepage
- Other electronic materials, proposal documents, presentation
slides
etc.
- It may get used on printed materials: Letter headings, small
stickers
('moo.com' size), large stickers (to go on boxes), T-shirts.
- Any other creative uses by the community promoting OpenStreetMap
in
Ireland.
*Design requirements*
- *Vector -* The design must be available in a vector format. If you
do
not know how to create SVG, team up with someone who does.
- *Copyright.* You must be willing and able to waive all rights to
your
design, handing over copyright ownership to OpenStreetMap Ireland,
granting
them a complete and irrevocable right to use, adapt, distribute the
work.
Of course, we intend to allow all use and re-use, but we may at some
point
need to register the design as a trademark. Let's do away with any
awkward
legal barriers up front. We also promise the winning artist(s) will
be
credited, including a link of their choice, on the openstreetmap.ie
blog, but beyond that we do not guarantee any attribution, and
certainly
don't want to require it for downstream uses.
- *Square -* We're looking for a logo which fits OK in a square
area.
This is to fit with the twitter requirement and also moo stickers.
The logo
itself doesn't need to be square shape, but should look OK
occupying a
square area. Text can be added in various configurations afterwards
(e.g.
to the
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Submission by OSM Ireland to the public consultation on Ireland's Open Data Initiative
Hi, for what its worth I've added a few comments and some general copy-editing. I hope you can see the comments on the drive doc. (I'm guessing my comments will be automatically visible to you, here's the link anyway https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing Sorry, I really don't have time right now to add much more than that (I'm finishing up a huge project and moving continent in the next few days). Please disregard any comments/edits as you see fit! Killian Driscoll Banting Postdoctoral Fellow Département d'anthropologie Université de Montréal umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll www.lithicsireland.ie ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll On 2 July 2015 at 21:07, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Recently Minister Howlin launched another public consultation on June 15th with regards to the strategy around Irelands Open Data Initiative. There are 2 main documents for review under the consultation, both available at this link - http://www.per.gov.ie/open-data/ I have started formulating a consultation submission which is OSM Ireland focused i.e. we are concerned about licencing, we are primarily interested in geodata etc. However I have given answers to all the consultation questions regardless, because why not. If nobody objects, I would like the finished submission to be considered as a response from OSM Ireland as a whole. You can find the submission document here - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing I have set it so anyone can comment, rather than anyone can edit simply because it'll become very messy and difficult to track if there are 10-20 people editing. I hope many of you will take this opportunity to contribute to this as the process around setting up open data from a government perspective is at a crucial stage where the decisions made over the next few months will likely be the foundation for things to come for many years and there's a lot of good data sitting on govt. servers that I would hope we could make use of down the road. The response is due no later than July 15th so I would like to leave this run for the next week to 10 days, make any changes suggested through your comments / feedback and then share a final draft at which point, anyone who wishes to, can add their name as a contributing author, before finally submitting it on or around the 14th July. It should be noted that the consultation is open for anyone to provide feedback so if you wish to submit a response personally you can do that too. Thanks, Dave ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
[OSM-talk-ie] Submission by OSM Ireland to the public consultation on Ireland's Open Data Initiative
Hi all, Recently Minister Howlin launched another public consultation on June 15th with regards to the strategy around Irelands Open Data Initiative. There are 2 main documents for review under the consultation, both available at this link - http://www.per.gov.ie/open-data/ I have started formulating a consultation submission which is OSM Ireland focused i.e. we are concerned about licencing, we are primarily interested in geodata etc. However I have given answers to all the consultation questions regardless, because why not. If nobody objects, I would like the finished submission to be considered as a response from OSM Ireland as a whole. You can find the submission document here - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing I have set it so anyone can comment, rather than anyone can edit simply because it'll become very messy and difficult to track if there are 10-20 people editing. I hope many of you will take this opportunity to contribute to this as the process around setting up open data from a government perspective is at a crucial stage where the decisions made over the next few months will likely be the foundation for things to come for many years and there's a lot of good data sitting on govt. servers that I would hope we could make use of down the road. The response is due no later than July 15th so I would like to leave this run for the next week to 10 days, make any changes suggested through your comments / feedback and then share a final draft at which point, anyone who wishes to, can add their name as a contributing author, before finally submitting it on or around the 14th July. It should be noted that the consultation is open for anyone to provide feedback so if you wish to submit a response personally you can do that too. Thanks, Dave ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Submission by OSM Ireland to the public consultation on Ireland's Open Data Initiative
I can see them. Can others I wonder? Not sure how comments work in Google docs, will soon find out I guess It's late so I only scanned your comments briefly but they're all good from what I can see Appreciate the input Killian Dave On 3 Jul 2015 02:48, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, for what its worth I've added a few comments and some general copy-editing. I hope you can see the comments on the drive doc. (I'm guessing my comments will be automatically visible to you, here's the link anyway https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing Sorry, I really don't have time right now to add much more than that (I'm finishing up a huge project and moving continent in the next few days). Please disregard any comments/edits as you see fit! Killian Driscoll Banting Postdoctoral Fellow Département d'anthropologie Université de Montréal umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll www.lithicsireland.ie ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll On 2 July 2015 at 21:07, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Recently Minister Howlin launched another public consultation on June 15th with regards to the strategy around Irelands Open Data Initiative. There are 2 main documents for review under the consultation, both available at this link - http://www.per.gov.ie/open-data/ I have started formulating a consultation submission which is OSM Ireland focused i.e. we are concerned about licencing, we are primarily interested in geodata etc. However I have given answers to all the consultation questions regardless, because why not. If nobody objects, I would like the finished submission to be considered as a response from OSM Ireland as a whole. You can find the submission document here - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing I have set it so anyone can comment, rather than anyone can edit simply because it'll become very messy and difficult to track if there are 10-20 people editing. I hope many of you will take this opportunity to contribute to this as the process around setting up open data from a government perspective is at a crucial stage where the decisions made over the next few months will likely be the foundation for things to come for many years and there's a lot of good data sitting on govt. servers that I would hope we could make use of down the road. The response is due no later than July 15th so I would like to leave this run for the next week to 10 days, make any changes suggested through your comments / feedback and then share a final draft at which point, anyone who wishes to, can add their name as a contributing author, before finally submitting it on or around the 14th July. It should be noted that the consultation is open for anyone to provide feedback so if you wish to submit a response personally you can do that too. Thanks, Dave ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 74, Issue 2
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:51:45 +0100 From: Ken Guest kgu...@php.net Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Operator=* Hi, I've been tidying up a lot of these, using http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/tags-o.html and the likes. There are a handful of entries for First Trust and First Trust Bank which are **names**. The **operator** is AIB Group (UK) p.l.c. http://personal.firsttrustbank.co.uk/ AIB Group (UK) - are you sure about that there now Ted? :-) Yes, if you check the link above , you will see that AIB runs First Trust. They even use the AIB 'Ark' logo. First Trust Bank is a trade mark of AIB Group (UK) p.l.c. (a wholly owned subsidiary of Allied Irish Banks, p.l.c.), incorporated in Northern Ireland. Registered Office 92 Ann Street, Belfast BT1 3HH. Registered Number NI018800. Authorised by the Prudential Regulation Authority and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority and the Prudential Regulation Authority. If you look at http://personal.aib.ie/branchlocator you will see that AIB has no branches in Northern Ireland. Meanwhile First Trust only have branches in Northern Ireland. http://personal.firsttrustbank.co.uk/branchlocator -- Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:08:56 +0200 From: moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Operator=* On 02/07/2015, Colm Moore colmmoor...@hotmail.com wrote: There are a handful of entries for IE (Iarnród Éireann) that need to be changed to Irish Rail (several thousand). I actually thought that the main name (which goes in operator as opposed to operator:LC) was the irish one in this case ? The on-board annoucements say Thank you for travelling on Iarnroód Éireann, and the irish name is displayed more prominently on the website. The domain name is in English, but that may be due to wanting to avoid diacritics. I can see that OSM has currently settled on the english name for operator=*, but I wonder wether that's strictly correct ? IE isn't correct, as it is missing the fada. Ther eis only a handful of IE entries, 3,026 Irish Rail entries and one Irish Rail;Translink NI Railways entry. I probably made north of half of all those entries. Legally, the name is Iarnród Éireann—Irish Rail http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1986/en/act/pub/0031/sec0007.html#sec7 They use both names, but never the dual name. The day-to-day use tends to be Irish Rail. At the start, Irish Rail was dominant. However, they had a problem with people defacing their then IR logo to IRA: http://farm1.staticflickr.com/2/3797462_95ac494eb8.jpg So they changed to having Iarnród Éireann dominant with the IE logo. http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2013/02/irishrail-old-2.jpg However, in promoting websales, they found that few people could spell www.iarnrodeireann.ie (possibly as few could pronounce it properly) so the website is now www.irishrail.ie Comparing Google results Irish Rail (with quotes) has 390,000 results, while Iarnród Éireann (with quotes) has 150,000. Now, I'm not sure if we want to get into operator=Iarnród Éireann—Irish Rail or operator:en=Irish Rail and operator:ga=Iarnród Éireann - it would lead to too much confusion and would be maintenance intensive. On balance, I think Irish Rail is the better one to use. Colm ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
