Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Submission by OSM Ireland to the public consultation on Ireland's Open Data Initiative

2015-07-02 Thread Killian Driscoll
Hi, yeah, first time I've used Google doc like this so not sure. Hope my
comments are a little help

Killian Driscoll
Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
Département d'anthropologie
Université de Montréal

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www.lithicsireland.ie
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On 2 July 2015 at 21:54, Dave Corley  wrote:

> I can see them. Can others I wonder? Not sure how comments work in Google
> docs, will soon find out I guess
>
> It's late so I only scanned your comments briefly but they're all good from
> what I can see
>
> Appreciate the input Killian
>
> Dave
> On 3 Jul 2015 02:48, "Killian Driscoll"  wrote:
>
> > Hi, for what its worth I've added a few comments and some general
> > copy-editing. I hope you can see the comments on the drive doc. (I'm
> > guessing my comments will be automatically visible to you, here's the
> link
> > anyway
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > Sorry, I really don't have time right now to add much more than that (I'm
> > finishing up a huge project and moving continent in the next few
> days).
> > Please disregard any comments/edits as you see fit!
> >
> > Killian Driscoll
> > Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
> > Département d'anthropologie
> > Université de Montréal
> >
> > umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
> > www.lithicsireland.ie
> > ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll
> >
> > On 2 July 2015 at 21:07, Dave Corley  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Recently Minister Howlin launched another public consultation on June
> > 15th
> > > with regards to the strategy around Irelands Open Data Initiative.
> > >
> > > There are 2 main documents for review under the consultation, both
> > > available at this link - http://www.per.gov.ie/open-data/
> > >
> > > I have started formulating a consultation submission which is OSM
> Ireland
> > > focused i.e. we are concerned about licencing, we are primarily
> > interested
> > > in geodata etc. However I have given answers to all the consultation
> > > questions regardless, because why not.
> > >
> > > If nobody objects, I would like the finished submission to be
> considered
> > as
> > > a response from OSM Ireland as a whole.
> > >
> > > You can find the submission document here -
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > I have set it so anyone can comment, rather than anyone can edit simply
> > > because it'll become very messy and difficult to track if there are
> 10-20
> > > people editing.
> > >
> > > I hope many of you will take this opportunity to contribute to this as
> > the
> > > process around setting up open data from a government perspective is
> at a
> > > crucial stage where the decisions made over the next few months will
> > likely
> > > be the foundation for things to come for many years and there's a lot
> of
> > > good data sitting on govt. servers that I would hope we could make use
> of
> > > down the road.
> > >
> > > The response is due no later than July 15th so I would like to leave
> this
> > > run for the next week to 10 days, make any changes suggested through
> your
> > > comments / feedback and then share a final draft at which point, anyone
> > who
> > > wishes to, can add their name as a contributing author, before finally
> > > submitting it on or around the 14th July.
> > >
> > > It should be noted that the consultation is open for anyone to provide
> > > feedback so if you wish to submit a response personally you can do that
> > > too.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Dave
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Submission by OSM Ireland to the public consultation on Ireland's Open Data Initiative

2015-07-02 Thread Dave Corley
I can see them. Can others I wonder? Not sure how comments work in Google
docs, will soon find out I guess

It's late so I only scanned your comments briefly but they're all good from
what I can see

Appreciate the input Killian

Dave
On 3 Jul 2015 02:48, "Killian Driscoll"  wrote:

> Hi, for what its worth I've added a few comments and some general
> copy-editing. I hope you can see the comments on the drive doc. (I'm
> guessing my comments will be automatically visible to you, here's the link
> anyway
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Sorry, I really don't have time right now to add much more than that (I'm
> finishing up a huge project and moving continent in the next few days).
> Please disregard any comments/edits as you see fit!
>
> Killian Driscoll
> Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
> Département d'anthropologie
> Université de Montréal
>
> umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
> www.lithicsireland.ie
> ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll
>
> On 2 July 2015 at 21:07, Dave Corley  wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Recently Minister Howlin launched another public consultation on June
> 15th
> > with regards to the strategy around Irelands Open Data Initiative.
> >
> > There are 2 main documents for review under the consultation, both
> > available at this link - http://www.per.gov.ie/open-data/
> >
> > I have started formulating a consultation submission which is OSM Ireland
> > focused i.e. we are concerned about licencing, we are primarily
> interested
> > in geodata etc. However I have given answers to all the consultation
> > questions regardless, because why not.
> >
> > If nobody objects, I would like the finished submission to be considered
> as
> > a response from OSM Ireland as a whole.
> >
> > You can find the submission document here -
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing
> >
> > I have set it so anyone can comment, rather than anyone can edit simply
> > because it'll become very messy and difficult to track if there are 10-20
> > people editing.
> >
> > I hope many of you will take this opportunity to contribute to this as
> the
> > process around setting up open data from a government perspective is at a
> > crucial stage where the decisions made over the next few months will
> likely
> > be the foundation for things to come for many years and there's a lot of
> > good data sitting on govt. servers that I would hope we could make use of
> > down the road.
> >
> > The response is due no later than July 15th so I would like to leave this
> > run for the next week to 10 days, make any changes suggested through your
> > comments / feedback and then share a final draft at which point, anyone
> who
> > wishes to, can add their name as a contributing author, before finally
> > submitting it on or around the 14th July.
> >
> > It should be noted that the consultation is open for anyone to provide
> > feedback so if you wish to submit a response personally you can do that
> > too.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
> > ___
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> > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Submission by OSM Ireland to the public consultation on Ireland's Open Data Initiative

2015-07-02 Thread Killian Driscoll
Hi, for what its worth I've added a few comments and some general
copy-editing. I hope you can see the comments on the drive doc. (I'm
guessing my comments will be automatically visible to you, here's the link
anyway
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing

Sorry, I really don't have time right now to add much more than that (I'm
finishing up a huge project and moving continent in the next few days).
Please disregard any comments/edits as you see fit!

Killian Driscoll
Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
Département d'anthropologie
Université de Montréal

umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
www.lithicsireland.ie
ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll

On 2 July 2015 at 21:07, Dave Corley  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Recently Minister Howlin launched another public consultation on June 15th
> with regards to the strategy around Irelands Open Data Initiative.
>
> There are 2 main documents for review under the consultation, both
> available at this link - http://www.per.gov.ie/open-data/
>
> I have started formulating a consultation submission which is OSM Ireland
> focused i.e. we are concerned about licencing, we are primarily interested
> in geodata etc. However I have given answers to all the consultation
> questions regardless, because why not.
>
> If nobody objects, I would like the finished submission to be considered as
> a response from OSM Ireland as a whole.
>
> You can find the submission document here -
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing
>
> I have set it so anyone can comment, rather than anyone can edit simply
> because it'll become very messy and difficult to track if there are 10-20
> people editing.
>
> I hope many of you will take this opportunity to contribute to this as the
> process around setting up open data from a government perspective is at a
> crucial stage where the decisions made over the next few months will likely
> be the foundation for things to come for many years and there's a lot of
> good data sitting on govt. servers that I would hope we could make use of
> down the road.
>
> The response is due no later than July 15th so I would like to leave this
> run for the next week to 10 days, make any changes suggested through your
> comments / feedback and then share a final draft at which point, anyone who
> wishes to, can add their name as a contributing author, before finally
> submitting it on or around the 14th July.
>
> It should be noted that the consultation is open for anyone to provide
> feedback so if you wish to submit a response personally you can do that
> too.
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
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[OSM-talk-ie] Submission by OSM Ireland to the public consultation on Ireland's Open Data Initiative

2015-07-02 Thread Dave Corley
Hi all,

Recently Minister Howlin launched another public consultation on June 15th
with regards to the strategy around Irelands Open Data Initiative.

There are 2 main documents for review under the consultation, both
available at this link - http://www.per.gov.ie/open-data/

I have started formulating a consultation submission which is OSM Ireland
focused i.e. we are concerned about licencing, we are primarily interested
in geodata etc. However I have given answers to all the consultation
questions regardless, because why not.

If nobody objects, I would like the finished submission to be considered as
a response from OSM Ireland as a whole.

You can find the submission document here -
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing

I have set it so anyone can comment, rather than anyone can edit simply
because it'll become very messy and difficult to track if there are 10-20
people editing.

I hope many of you will take this opportunity to contribute to this as the
process around setting up open data from a government perspective is at a
crucial stage where the decisions made over the next few months will likely
be the foundation for things to come for many years and there's a lot of
good data sitting on govt. servers that I would hope we could make use of
down the road.

The response is due no later than July 15th so I would like to leave this
run for the next week to 10 days, make any changes suggested through your
comments / feedback and then share a final draft at which point, anyone who
wishes to, can add their name as a contributing author, before finally
submitting it on or around the 14th July.

It should be noted that the consultation is open for anyone to provide
feedback so if you wish to submit a response personally you can do that
too.

Thanks,
Dave
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Talk-ie Digest, Vol 74, Issue 2

2015-07-02 Thread Colm Moore

> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:51:45 +0100
> From: Ken Guest 
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Operator=*
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've been tidying up a lot of these, using
> > http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/tags-o.html and the likes.
> >
> >
> > There are a handful of entries for "First Trust" and "First Trust Bank"
> > which are **names**. The **operator** is "AIB Group (UK) p.l.c."
> > http://personal.firsttrustbank.co.uk/
> >
> 
> "AIB Group (UK)"  - are you sure about that there now Ted? :-)

Yes, if you check the link above , you will see that AIB runs First Trust. They 
even use the AIB 'Ark' logo.

"First Trust Bank is a trade mark of AIB Group (UK) p.l.c. (a wholly owned 
subsidiary of Allied Irish Banks, p.l.c.), incorporated in Northern Ireland. 
Registered Office 92 Ann Street, Belfast BT1 3HH. Registered Number NI018800. 
Authorised by the Prudential Regulation Authority and regulated by the 
Financial Conduct Authority and the Prudential Regulation Authority."

If you look at http://personal.aib.ie/branchlocator you will see that AIB has 
no branches in Northern Ireland.

Meanwhile First Trust only have branches in Northern Ireland. 
http://personal.firsttrustbank.co.uk/branchlocator


> --
> 
> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:08:56 +0200
> From: moltonel 3x Combo 
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Operator=*
> 
> On 02/07/2015, Colm Moore  wrote:
> > There are a handful of entries for "IE" (Iarnród Éireann) that need to be
> > changed  to "Irish Rail" (several thousand).
> 
> I actually thought that the main name (which goes in operator as
> opposed to operator:LC) was the irish one in this case ? The on-board
> annoucements say "Thank you for travelling on Iarnroód Éireann", and
> the irish name is displayed more prominently on the website. The
> domain name is in English, but that may be due to wanting to avoid
> diacritics. I can see that OSM has currently settled on the english
> name for operator=*, but I wonder wether that's strictly correct ?
> 

"IE" isn't correct, as it is missing the fada. Ther eis only a handful of "IE" 
entries, 3,026 "Irish Rail" entries and one "Irish Rail;Translink NI Railways" 
entry. I probably made north of half of all those entries.

Legally, the name is "Iarnród Éireann—Irish Rail" 
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1986/en/act/pub/0031/sec0007.html#sec7

They use both names, but never the dual name. The day-to-day use tends to be 
Irish Rail.

At the start, Irish Rail was dominant. However, they had a problem with people 
defacing their then "IR" logo to "IRA": 
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/2/3797462_95ac494eb8.jpg 

So they changed to having Iarnród Éireann dominant with the "IE" logo. 
http://c2.thejournal.ie/media/2013/02/irishrail-old-2.jpg
 
However, in promoting websales, they found that few people could spell 
www.iarnrodeireann.ie (possibly as few could pronounce it properly) so the 
website is now www.irishrail.ie 

Comparing Google results "Irish Rail" (with quotes) has 390,000 results, while 
"Iarnród Éireann"  (with quotes) has 150,000.

Now, I'm not sure if we want to get into operator=Iarnród Éireann—Irish Rail or 
operator:en=Irish Rail and operator:ga=Iarnród Éireann  - it would lead to too 
much confusion and would be maintenance intensive.

On balance, I think Irish Rail is the better one to use.

Colm



  
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Design competition for a new logo

2015-07-02 Thread Dave Corley
Yup, the osm_ie twitter account is to be the one used.

The osm_irl one was one I setup when putting the site together to get
things working and because I thought it might be a bit more neutral then
the ie account but it seems like that isn't an issue.

Dave
On 2 Jul 2015 14:19, "Ken Guest"  wrote:

> I agree. the osm_ie account is older and has a lot more
> history/tweets/followers attached to it which is why I'd suggest keeping it
> in use and ditching the _irl one.
>
> On 2 July 2015 at 12:49, ke...@vool.ie  wrote:
>
> > Site looks good, but why the second twitter account ?
> >
> > https://twitter.com/osm_irl
> >
> > https://twitter.com/osm_ie
> >
> > .k
> >
> > On 01/07/15 16:35, Dave Corley wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> So at the last meetup one thing everyone agreed was that we need to get
> >> moving on forming into a proper entity. Its something that has been
> spoken
> >> about off an on for the last 2 years and something which we have done
> >> little about.
> >>
> >> With that in mind, I spent most of the meetup working on the website
> >> www.openstreetmap.ie  and its starting to come together nicely.
> >>
> >> Cliff originally designed the logo on that site but pointed out in a
> >> recent
> >> email that it was something that was intended as a placeholder only and
> >> that a better logo is probably achievable.
> >>
> >> On that basis, using the recent JOSM & Hot logo competition parameters
> as
> >> a
> >> guideline, I'd like to announce a competition for a new logo for
> >> OpenStreetMap Ireland. This logo will primarily be used on the website
> and
> >> twitter, however in time and with the right resources there's no reason
> it
> >> wouldn't end up on stickers, t-shirts etc.
> >>
> >> On to the competition guidelines
> >>
> >> *Competition Rules*
> >>
> >> - The competition is open to anyone. Entrants can be an individual
> or
> >> team of people, even a design company
> >> - Entries must be in SVG format
> >> - Entry designs should be emailed to my atdavecor...@gmail.com  as
> >> attached SVG file(s) with a subject line of "Logo entry from XYZ"
> >> - Entries must be received before midnight GMT on 17th July 2015
> >> - Artists can make variations of other public domain artwork,
> although
> >> credit must be given where credit is due (and credit will be given
> >> when the
> >> winner is chosen)
> >> - Individuals are allowed to submit multiple entries, but you are
> >> encouraged to put work into one or two designs, and no more than
> five.
> >> - The winning design will be chosen by a community vote to be held
> >> during a one week period from 20th-26th July 2015
> >> - The winning design will be announced on 01st Aug 2015
> >> - Have fun!
> >>
> >> *Design Brief*
> >>
> >> *Conceptual Suggestions*
> >>
> >> - Remember, OpenStreetMap Ireland is a cross border group so steer
> >> clear
> >> of a design that is overtly Southern or Northern focused
> >> - The logo should use the current OpenStreetMap logo as a basis, but
> >> don't let that constrain your design, some out of the box surreal
> >> design
> >> might look awesome but then something super simple might look just
> as
> >> good
> >> so don't dismiss anything
> >> - You may find inspiration among other community designs at
> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logos#Logo_design_competitions
> >> or the
> >> JOSM competition enterieshttps://
> >> josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/LogoContest
> >>
> >>
> >> *Where will the logo be used?*
> >>
> >> - The twitter account
> >> - We will also use the logo in the openstreetmap.ie homepage
> >> - Other electronic materials, proposal documents, presentation
> slides
> >> etc.
> >> - It may get used on printed materials: Letter headings, small
> >> stickers
> >> ('moo.com' size), large stickers (to go on boxes), T-shirts.
> >> - Any other creative uses by the community promoting OpenStreetMap
> in
> >> Ireland.
> >>
> >> *Design requirements*
> >>
> >> - *Vector -* The design must be available in a vector format. If you
> >> do
> >> not know how to create SVG, team up with someone who does.
> >> - *Copyright.* You must be willing and able to waive all rights to
> >> your
> >> design, handing over copyright ownership to OpenStreetMap Ireland,
> >> granting
> >> them a complete and irrevocable right to use, adapt, distribute the
> >> work.
> >> Of course, we intend to allow all use and re-use, but we may at some
> >> point
> >> need to register the design as a trademark. Let's do away with any
> >> awkward
> >> legal barriers up front. We also promise the winning artist(s) will
> be
> >> credited, including a link of their choice, on the openstreetmap.ie
> >> blog, but beyond that we do not guarantee any attribution, and
> >> certainly
> >> don't want to require it for downstream uses.
> >> - *Square -* We're looking 

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Design competition for a new logo

2015-07-02 Thread Ken Guest
I agree. the osm_ie account is older and has a lot more
history/tweets/followers attached to it which is why I'd suggest keeping it
in use and ditching the _irl one.

On 2 July 2015 at 12:49, ke...@vool.ie  wrote:

> Site looks good, but why the second twitter account ?
>
> https://twitter.com/osm_irl
>
> https://twitter.com/osm_ie
>
> .k
>
> On 01/07/15 16:35, Dave Corley wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So at the last meetup one thing everyone agreed was that we need to get
>> moving on forming into a proper entity. Its something that has been spoken
>> about off an on for the last 2 years and something which we have done
>> little about.
>>
>> With that in mind, I spent most of the meetup working on the website
>> www.openstreetmap.ie  and its starting to come together nicely.
>>
>> Cliff originally designed the logo on that site but pointed out in a
>> recent
>> email that it was something that was intended as a placeholder only and
>> that a better logo is probably achievable.
>>
>> On that basis, using the recent JOSM & Hot logo competition parameters as
>> a
>> guideline, I'd like to announce a competition for a new logo for
>> OpenStreetMap Ireland. This logo will primarily be used on the website and
>> twitter, however in time and with the right resources there's no reason it
>> wouldn't end up on stickers, t-shirts etc.
>>
>> On to the competition guidelines
>>
>> *Competition Rules*
>>
>> - The competition is open to anyone. Entrants can be an individual or
>> team of people, even a design company
>> - Entries must be in SVG format
>> - Entry designs should be emailed to my atdavecor...@gmail.com  as
>> attached SVG file(s) with a subject line of "Logo entry from XYZ"
>> - Entries must be received before midnight GMT on 17th July 2015
>> - Artists can make variations of other public domain artwork, although
>> credit must be given where credit is due (and credit will be given
>> when the
>> winner is chosen)
>> - Individuals are allowed to submit multiple entries, but you are
>> encouraged to put work into one or two designs, and no more than five.
>> - The winning design will be chosen by a community vote to be held
>> during a one week period from 20th-26th July 2015
>> - The winning design will be announced on 01st Aug 2015
>> - Have fun!
>>
>> *Design Brief*
>>
>> *Conceptual Suggestions*
>>
>> - Remember, OpenStreetMap Ireland is a cross border group so steer
>> clear
>> of a design that is overtly Southern or Northern focused
>> - The logo should use the current OpenStreetMap logo as a basis, but
>> don't let that constrain your design, some out of the box surreal
>> design
>> might look awesome but then something super simple might look just as
>> good
>> so don't dismiss anything
>> - You may find inspiration among other community designs at
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logos#Logo_design_competitions
>> or the
>> JOSM competition enterieshttps://
>> josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/LogoContest
>>
>>
>> *Where will the logo be used?*
>>
>> - The twitter account
>> - We will also use the logo in the openstreetmap.ie homepage
>> - Other electronic materials, proposal documents, presentation slides
>> etc.
>> - It may get used on printed materials: Letter headings, small
>> stickers
>> ('moo.com' size), large stickers (to go on boxes), T-shirts.
>> - Any other creative uses by the community promoting OpenStreetMap in
>> Ireland.
>>
>> *Design requirements*
>>
>> - *Vector -* The design must be available in a vector format. If you
>> do
>> not know how to create SVG, team up with someone who does.
>> - *Copyright.* You must be willing and able to waive all rights to
>> your
>> design, handing over copyright ownership to OpenStreetMap Ireland,
>> granting
>> them a complete and irrevocable right to use, adapt, distribute the
>> work.
>> Of course, we intend to allow all use and re-use, but we may at some
>> point
>> need to register the design as a trademark. Let's do away with any
>> awkward
>> legal barriers up front. We also promise the winning artist(s) will be
>> credited, including a link of their choice, on the openstreetmap.ie
>> blog, but beyond that we do not guarantee any attribution, and
>> certainly
>> don't want to require it for downstream uses.
>> - *Square -* We're looking for a logo which fits OK in a square area.
>> This is to fit with the twitter requirement and also moo stickers.
>> The logo
>> itself doesn't need to be square shape, but should look OK occupying a
>> square area. Text can be added in various configurations afterwards
>> (e.g.
>> to the right of the logo, to form a horizontal strip for the top of
>> the
>> openstreetmap.ie homepage)
>>
>> *Best of luck!*
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Design competition for a new logo

2015-07-02 Thread Dave Corley
The second twitter account will be going shortly.
On 2 Jul 2015 12:50, "ke...@vool.ie"  wrote:

> Site looks good, but why the second twitter account ?
>
> https://twitter.com/osm_irl
>
> https://twitter.com/osm_ie
>
> .k
>
> On 01/07/15 16:35, Dave Corley wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So at the last meetup one thing everyone agreed was that we need to get
>> moving on forming into a proper entity. Its something that has been spoken
>> about off an on for the last 2 years and something which we have done
>> little about.
>>
>> With that in mind, I spent most of the meetup working on the website
>> www.openstreetmap.ie  and its starting to come together nicely.
>>
>> Cliff originally designed the logo on that site but pointed out in a
>> recent
>> email that it was something that was intended as a placeholder only and
>> that a better logo is probably achievable.
>>
>> On that basis, using the recent JOSM & Hot logo competition parameters as
>> a
>> guideline, I'd like to announce a competition for a new logo for
>> OpenStreetMap Ireland. This logo will primarily be used on the website and
>> twitter, however in time and with the right resources there's no reason it
>> wouldn't end up on stickers, t-shirts etc.
>>
>> On to the competition guidelines
>>
>> *Competition Rules*
>>
>> - The competition is open to anyone. Entrants can be an individual or
>> team of people, even a design company
>> - Entries must be in SVG format
>> - Entry designs should be emailed to my atdavecor...@gmail.com  as
>> attached SVG file(s) with a subject line of "Logo entry from XYZ"
>> - Entries must be received before midnight GMT on 17th July 2015
>> - Artists can make variations of other public domain artwork, although
>> credit must be given where credit is due (and credit will be given
>> when the
>> winner is chosen)
>> - Individuals are allowed to submit multiple entries, but you are
>> encouraged to put work into one or two designs, and no more than five.
>> - The winning design will be chosen by a community vote to be held
>> during a one week period from 20th-26th July 2015
>> - The winning design will be announced on 01st Aug 2015
>> - Have fun!
>>
>> *Design Brief*
>>
>> *Conceptual Suggestions*
>>
>> - Remember, OpenStreetMap Ireland is a cross border group so steer
>> clear
>> of a design that is overtly Southern or Northern focused
>> - The logo should use the current OpenStreetMap logo as a basis, but
>> don't let that constrain your design, some out of the box surreal
>> design
>> might look awesome but then something super simple might look just as
>> good
>> so don't dismiss anything
>> - You may find inspiration among other community designs at
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logos#Logo_design_competitions
>> or the
>> JOSM competition enterieshttps://
>> josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/LogoContest
>>
>> *Where will the logo be used?*
>>
>> - The twitter account
>> - We will also use the logo in the openstreetmap.ie homepage
>> - Other electronic materials, proposal documents, presentation slides
>> etc.
>> - It may get used on printed materials: Letter headings, small
>> stickers
>> ('moo.com' size), large stickers (to go on boxes), T-shirts.
>> - Any other creative uses by the community promoting OpenStreetMap in
>> Ireland.
>>
>> *Design requirements*
>>
>> - *Vector -* The design must be available in a vector format. If you
>> do
>> not know how to create SVG, team up with someone who does.
>> - *Copyright.* You must be willing and able to waive all rights to
>> your
>> design, handing over copyright ownership to OpenStreetMap Ireland,
>> granting
>> them a complete and irrevocable right to use, adapt, distribute the
>> work.
>> Of course, we intend to allow all use and re-use, but we may at some
>> point
>> need to register the design as a trademark. Let's do away with any
>> awkward
>> legal barriers up front. We also promise the winning artist(s) will be
>> credited, including a link of their choice, on the openstreetmap.ie
>> blog, but beyond that we do not guarantee any attribution, and
>> certainly
>> don't want to require it for downstream uses.
>> - *Square -* We're looking for a logo which fits OK in a square area.
>> This is to fit with the twitter requirement and also moo stickers.
>> The logo
>> itself doesn't need to be square shape, but should look OK occupying a
>> square area. Text can be added in various configurations afterwards
>> (e.g.
>> to the right of the logo, to form a horizontal strip for the top of
>> the
>> openstreetmap.ie homepage)
>>
>> *Best of luck!*
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Design competition for a new logo

2015-07-02 Thread ke...@vool.ie

Site looks good, but why the second twitter account ?

https://twitter.com/osm_irl

https://twitter.com/osm_ie

.k

On 01/07/15 16:35, Dave Corley wrote:

Hi all,

So at the last meetup one thing everyone agreed was that we need to get
moving on forming into a proper entity. Its something that has been spoken
about off an on for the last 2 years and something which we have done
little about.

With that in mind, I spent most of the meetup working on the website
www.openstreetmap.ie  and its starting to come together nicely.

Cliff originally designed the logo on that site but pointed out in a recent
email that it was something that was intended as a placeholder only and
that a better logo is probably achievable.

On that basis, using the recent JOSM & Hot logo competition parameters as a
guideline, I'd like to announce a competition for a new logo for
OpenStreetMap Ireland. This logo will primarily be used on the website and
twitter, however in time and with the right resources there's no reason it
wouldn't end up on stickers, t-shirts etc.

On to the competition guidelines

*Competition Rules*

- The competition is open to anyone. Entrants can be an individual or
team of people, even a design company
- Entries must be in SVG format
- Entry designs should be emailed to my atdavecor...@gmail.com  as
attached SVG file(s) with a subject line of "Logo entry from XYZ"
- Entries must be received before midnight GMT on 17th July 2015
- Artists can make variations of other public domain artwork, although
credit must be given where credit is due (and credit will be given when the
winner is chosen)
- Individuals are allowed to submit multiple entries, but you are
encouraged to put work into one or two designs, and no more than five.
- The winning design will be chosen by a community vote to be held
during a one week period from 20th-26th July 2015
- The winning design will be announced on 01st Aug 2015
- Have fun!

*Design Brief*

*Conceptual Suggestions*

- Remember, OpenStreetMap Ireland is a cross border group so steer clear
of a design that is overtly Southern or Northern focused
- The logo should use the current OpenStreetMap logo as a basis, but
don't let that constrain your design, some out of the box surreal design
might look awesome but then something super simple might look just as good
so don't dismiss anything
- You may find inspiration among other community designs at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logos#Logo_design_competitions  or the
JOSM competition enterieshttps://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/LogoContest

*Where will the logo be used?*

- The twitter account
- We will also use the logo in the openstreetmap.ie homepage
- Other electronic materials, proposal documents, presentation slides
etc.
- It may get used on printed materials: Letter headings, small stickers
('moo.com' size), large stickers (to go on boxes), T-shirts.
- Any other creative uses by the community promoting OpenStreetMap in
Ireland.

*Design requirements*

- *Vector -* The design must be available in a vector format. If you do
not know how to create SVG, team up with someone who does.
- *Copyright.* You must be willing and able to waive all rights to your
design, handing over copyright ownership to OpenStreetMap Ireland, granting
them a complete and irrevocable right to use, adapt, distribute the work.
Of course, we intend to allow all use and re-use, but we may at some point
need to register the design as a trademark. Let's do away with any awkward
legal barriers up front. We also promise the winning artist(s) will be
credited, including a link of their choice, on the openstreetmap.ie
blog, but beyond that we do not guarantee any attribution, and certainly
don't want to require it for downstream uses.
- *Square -* We're looking for a logo which fits OK in a square area.
This is to fit with the twitter requirement and also moo stickers. The logo
itself doesn't need to be square shape, but should look OK occupying a
square area. Text can be added in various configurations afterwards (e.g.
to the right of the logo, to form a horizontal strip for the top of the
openstreetmap.ie homepage)

*Best of luck!*

Thanks,
Dave
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Operator=*

2015-07-02 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 02/07/2015, Colm Moore  wrote:
> There are a handful of entries for "IE" (Iarnród Éireann) that need to be
> changed  to "Irish Rail" (several thousand).

I actually thought that the main name (which goes in operator as
opposed to operator:LC) was the irish one in this case ? The on-board
annoucements say "Thank you for travelling on Iarnroód Éireann", and
the irish name is displayed more prominently on the website. The
domain name is in English, but that may be due to wanting to avoid
diacritics. I can see that OSM has currently settled on the english
name for operator=*, but I wonder wether that's strictly correct ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Operator=*

2015-07-02 Thread Ken Guest
On 2 July 2015 at 11:29, Colm Moore  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been tidying up a lot of these, using
> http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/tags-o.html and the likes.
>
>
> There are a handful of entries for "First Trust" and "First Trust Bank"
> which are **names**. The **operator** is "AIB Group (UK) p.l.c."
> http://personal.firsttrustbank.co.uk/
>

"AIB Group (UK)"  - are you sure about that there now Ted? :-)

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[OSM-talk-ie] Operator=*

2015-07-02 Thread Colm Moore
Hi,

I've been tidying up a lot of these, using 
http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/tags-o.html and the likes.

However, some of the links on that page are problematic and I need help.

There are a handful of entries for "IE" (Iarnród Éireann) that need to be 
changed  to "Irish Rail" (several thousand).

There is one entry for "Garda Siochana" that needs to be change to "An Garda 
Síochána" (dozens).

There are about 20 entries for "Bank Of Ireland"  (capital "O") that need to be 
changed  to "Bank of Ireland" (hundreds).

There are a handful of entries for "First Trust" and "First Trust Bank" which 
are **names**. The **operator** is "AIB Group (UK) p.l.c." 
http://personal.firsttrustbank.co.uk/

Thank you

Colm

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