Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Saturday meeting.

[Daniel Cussen]

There is also generally free parking in the area on a sat, and there
is normally spaces.
TOG can be hard to find. It is on OSM and google maps. The building is
in the middle of a couple of buildings and labelled Camino Ways. Our
spaces are labelled Camino ways, feel free to park in Camino ways
spaces or on the street.

https://www.tog.ie/location/

On 20/10/2017, Jeffrey Roe  wrote:
> There are 6 spaces.
> https://www.tog.ie/location/
> Jeffrey Roe,
> www.tog.ie
>
>
> On 20 October 2017 at 23:17, Donal Hunt  wrote:
>> Quick check: is there parking at TOG or am I better taking public
>> transport?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Donal
>>
>> On 19 Oct 2017 18:56, "Brian Hollinshead"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dave
>>> I will be there as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 October 2017 at 17:38, Dave Corley  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > Everything is still planned to go ahead, 10am to 4pm.
>>> >
>>> > Between Facebook, the site booking form and a few private messages,
>>> > it's
>>> > looking like there will be about 20 attending, possibly more.
>>> >
>>> > I have a load of office supplies bits already that'd I think we'll need
>>> > (post-its, pens, paper). If you want to bring additional supplies,
>>> > bring
>>> > them. If they're not used you can always take them away with you again
>>> >
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>> > On 19 Oct 2017 16:56, "Donal Diamond"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > John good luck!
>>> > >
>>> > > https://xkcd.com/705/
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Donal
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On 19 October 2017 at 14:17, John Ronan  wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > Hi Guys,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I won't be able to make the meeting Saturday. In work, we were 18
>>> hours
>>> > > > on Generator Monday night/Tuesday, another 4 hours this morning and
>>> > > > I
>>> > > > expect we will be again on Saturday. So I expect I'll be here.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Apologies,
>>> > > >
>>> > > > John (jpronans)
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones

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> Oh go on then! ☺ I'll help. I'll wait for an all clear on the licence
> front before doing anything.

I thought the licence issue is related to locations of garda stations
not the mobile camera zones, so the mobile camera zones should be OK?
https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Page1-228x300.jpg
https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Page2-215x300.jpg

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones

[Daniel Cussen]

>I'd also be hesitant to remove pre-existing data if it's not incorrect. Is 
>there a reason you >want to do this? Sorry, just trying to understand.

In simple terms there were different mobile camera zones. Over time
some were added and some removed by garda. The garda data is the
correct set. Zones are changed every few years.

Fixed cameras are a different matter. I believe most do not work and
are in areas long bypassed, but there are notable exceptions. We can
manually confirm this. We will also need to manually confirm speed
limits but that is a different project. There are lots of new 30km/h
zone signs popping up everywhere.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones

[Daniel Cussen]

To answer a question asked in another thread, I have not progressed this yet.
I think Rory may be the ideal person to progress if he is willing to volunteer.

I think what needs to be done is all mobile speed camera zones in ROI
need to be removed, and then the data formatted and imported into OSM.

Rory are you interested?

On 12/06/2016, Daniel Cussen <d...@post.com> wrote:
> We now have permission to use the Garda mobile zone data.
> See:
> https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Page1.jpg
> https://www.tog.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Page2.jpg
>
> The data is here:
> http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=5590=1
> in particular:
> http://www.garda.ie/Documents/User/SafetyZones19052016.kmz
>
> I am not good with data processing. My suggestion is to remove all
> exising speed zones from ROI OSM and then try to replace them with the
> latest Garda data. I am not sure how to do this, hopefully someone
> here can help.
>
> Ideally I would like the data to trigger warnings in apps like OsmAnd
>
> Here is some info on enforcement tags:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement
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[OSM-talk-ie] OSM Meetup Dublin Saturday 18th June 2-5pm

[Daniel Cussen]

It was decided at the last in person OSM meetup we should have another
meet up. This was agreed for Saturday 18th of June from 2 to 5pm. It
is also the same day as the TOG open social, meaning from 7pm onwards
there is a general social night, with banter and craic. Earlier that
same day there is also coolest projects in the RDS which is a
coderdojo annual fair. TOG runs a soldering event for the kids. I will
be at the RDS until 1pm and then head and open TOG.

See you then.

Dan

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Doodle Poll for next OpenStreetMap Ireland meetup

[Daniel Cussen]

Note this is this Saturday. See you then

On 04/04/2016, Daniel Cussen <d...@post.com> wrote:
> The event will go ahead on April 23rd
> Blog post here:
> https://www.tog.ie/2016/04/osm-mapjam-saturday-23rd-of-april/
> It was the only date that suited me.
>
> I would suggest coming up with a list of things to
> discuss/agenda/presentations etc.
>
> Note TOG has moved since the last OSM meeting.
>

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones

[Daniel Cussen]

Ca, someone tell me how many user accounts there are than have edited
osm irl data (yes there is a reason)

On 31/03/2014, Killyfole and District Development Assocation
 wrote:
> Colm,
>
> It is because no-one has added those details yet.  Road sections can be
> tagged with what ever
> data we wish to tag them with.  The OSM wiki describes how to use the tags.
> Speed on that
> section of way is tagging using maxspeed=*  We use the ref=* tag to record
> the road reference
> number ie R999, L etc
>
> The following link is a visual layer which colour codes the speed limits
> stored in the OSM
> database and shows it on an OSM map.  The small key on the right shows the
> legend/key for
> the colours.  As you zoom in, minor roads will appear. Grey roads indicate
> that we do not have
> data available for those sections.
>
> http://www.itoworld.com/map/35?lon=-7.03486=53.36929=8=true
>
> Notice that the North speeds are a yellow/green colour, this is because the
> speed limits here
> are in miles per hour, not km/h.
>
> I suggest you come along to #osm-ie and have a chat.
>
> KDDA
>
>
>> However, with an adjacent minor road:
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?editor=id#map=16/53.7570/-6.3205 it
>> does
>> not have "Lanes" or "Reference". Is this because it is an unclassified
>> road? How does one record the local road number?
>>
>> Colm
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Doodle Poll for next OpenStreetMap Ireland meetup

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TOG has moved from old place to Blackpitts. It is 3 times the size. It
has free parking (more at the weekend) and bike lock stands.

https://www.tog.ie/location/

If you organise the same day as a social E.g. Sat March 19th, you can
hang around afterwards. As I TOG member I can open up etc. We would
need a MINIMUM of 2 weeks notice of an exact date to book and get
approval. This is done to allow any objections but also to allow
proper promotion and advertising so we can make the most of events.
That date would suit me best. I am away many other weekends.

I would suggest 1 or 2pm start with the social night starting 7pm onwards.?

On 05/03/2016, Dave Corley  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Its been too long since our last meetup!
>
> I've put up a doodle poll to gauge the best possible date. As usual, the
> meet will be on a weekend and will run from 12-6pm (usually starts to wind
> down from 5) and then on to somewhere nearby for a drink or a bite to eat
> afterwards. There won't be food or drink provided so you would need to
> bring your own.
>
> The poll link is - http://doodle.com/poll/2qt2hfichacnqc5f
>
> Please vote for any dates that suit you, the one with the most votes will
> obviously be the first choice but will be dependent on Tog availability.
>
> For anyone thinking of travelling from outside Dublin but unsure of the
> logistics of getting to Tog, there is:
> - a multi-story parking lot 2 mins walk away
> - a Dublin bikes stand 2 mins walk away
> - St.Stephens Green Luas stop 8 mins walk away
>
> Looking forward to seeing you all again,
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[OSM-talk-ie] Tellus Airborne data

[Daniel Cussen]

Tellus
http://www.tellus.ie/data/
http://www.tellusborder.eu/NR/rdonlyres/23572FEA-0BAF-4D60-9D53-7EB71A12E3E4/0/TellusBorder_Data_Terms_Conditions_v1.pdf

Any use for OSM?

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[OSM-talk-ie] Eircode Report: Not clear if 38 million savings will be achieved

[Daniel Cussen]

The real cost of Ireland’s postal code project, Eircode, is around €38
million and it is not clear the expected benefits will be achieved,
the Comptroller and Auditor General (C) has found.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/not-clear-if-38m-eircode-benefits-will-be-achieved-c-ag-1.2371170

Download actual document here:
http://www.audgen.gov.ie/documents/annualreports/2014/report/en/report%20on%20the%20accounts%20of%20the%20public%20services%202014.pdf

See page 149 onwards
Lots of juicy details

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Next Meetup - Sat 12th Sept

[Daniel Cussen]

Can someone update:
http://www.openstreetmap.ie/events/
?

On 08/09/2015, Daniel Cussen <d...@post.com> wrote:
> Did not see it mentioned here, but the request to use TOG is approved.
>
> There is even a blog post here:
> http://www.tog.ie/2015/09/osm-mapjam-saturday-12th-sept/
>
> On 03/09/2015, Daniel Cussen <d...@post.com> wrote:
>>> to be confirmed in the next few days.
>>
>> Just to let you know, as a member of TOG, it takes 5 days to get
>> approval. The email went out to TOG members today, so in 5 days it
>> should be approved.
>>
>> I am unlikely to make the meeting as I have too many projects on the
>> go currently.
>>
>> On 02/09/2015, Dave Corley <davecor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> The next OpenStreetMap Ireland meetup is on Sat 12th Sept and is
>>> provisionally slated to be held in Tóg in Dublin city center, to be
>>> confirmed in the next few days.
>>>
>>> I hope to see many of you there.
>>>
>>> I'll send out further details closer to the date
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Next Meetup - Sat 12th Sept

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http://www.openstreetmap.ie/events/
is now updated. Thanks all.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Next Meetup - Sat 12th Sept

[Daniel Cussen]

> to be confirmed in the next few days.

Just to let you know, as a member of TOG, it takes 5 days to get
approval. The email went out to TOG members today, so in 5 days it
should be approved.

I am unlikely to make the meeting as I have too many projects on the
go currently.

On 02/09/2015, Dave Corley  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The next OpenStreetMap Ireland meetup is on Sat 12th Sept and is
> provisionally slated to be held in Tóg in Dublin city center, to be
> confirmed in the next few days.
>
> I hope to see many of you there.
>
> I'll send out further details closer to the date
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

[Daniel Cussen]

Automagically scraping the finder.eircode.ie site is a grey area, I would 
caution against doing that for the moment.

I was more suggesting a person opting to submit a known postcode, and
have that result be marked in OSM. Probably using a mobile app using
OSM and querying the finder.eircode.ie up to 15 times a day.

If that was OK then OSM could launch something before other companies do it.
Postmen could even use it for the funny people who only put on the code.

Is converting a postcode to co-ordinates allowed with no fee up to 15
times a day?


On 17/07/2015, Richard Cantwell manaboutco...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All,

 As some of you are probably aware the sister company of my employer is part
 of the Eircode consortium (AutoAddress) I will have a word with the MD next
 week and get clarity on use restrictions.

 My current view is that the codes themselves are not copyrighted, but the
 ECAF (flat file with postal address and Eircode) and ECAD (database with
 aliases, co-ords and other things) are copyrighted. I'll let you know if the
 MD agrees with me. Automagically scraping the finder.eircode.ie site is a
 grey area, I would caution against doing that for the moment.

 Regards,

 Richard

 p.s. I haven't been mapping for a while, but now that Eircode is rolled out
 I'll be jumping back in.

 -=-
 Sent from my phone

 On 17 Jul 2015, at 14:01, moltonel molto...@gmail.com wrote:



 On 17 July 2015 11:30:55 GMT+01:00, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:
 What better way to ignore than come to the conclusion that the data
 can't be included in OSM and needs to be removed when it turns up?

 Good point :) If Eircodes can't be collected in a public db then it's a
 nail in Eircode's coffin. If it can, it should be ok to scrape the data to
 reach a usable level of completeness and add some QA for osm.

 Not everybody on osm-ie is on board with the 'let it fail' tactic it
 seems. It'd be great to reach a consensus on what to do with Eircodes in
 OSM that we can post on openstreetmap.ie blog once we have all the info.

 Right now I just want to check if there are any use restrictions that
 make the situation clear or if the situation is going to remain fuzzy
 for now.

 Yep, let's check how fuzzy this is. First person to send a copy of the
 Eircode snailmail wins.
 --
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

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So I did some tests.

If I go to finer.eircode.ie on my phone and put in a postcode, and
then click directions, the co-ordinates are handed over to my phone. I
then have a choice of which mapping app to use. It is important to
pick DIRECTIONS as other options use the eircode mapping website. The
DIRECTIONS option does not appear on the non mobile version.

Using google maps, it takes my current location and directs me all the
way to a GPS position. This currently works even though google maps
does not support eircode.

You can do this 15 times a day, currently, and assuming an OSM app
works the same, it will also be handed the position. It even shows the
address info with the house number and name pulled from Eircode.

This is a current possible use case. I am assuming it is currently
possible or should be possible with OSM.  I don't have any OSM apps on
my phone at present to try.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

[Daniel Cussen]

You type in your eircode and it finds your property, simple, no messing about
trying to find where you want to go.

I know someone said they looked up eircode on their smartphone,
clicked on the link and their phone automatically opened up the GPS
co-ordinates and showed the route, presumably in google maps.

I have not tested this, but it might be possible to integrate in to a
search function using the site with up to 15 answers per day, with the
result shown in OSM?

Anyone care to try?

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] eircode question

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On android it asks dedicated mapping app, or firefox or chrome, and I
select afterwards just once so it asks me every time.

I assume if I do not pick just once it will remember and go straight
without asking me, as your apple is doing.

See here for first place I found after a search:
http://www.glimsoft.com/01/31/how-to-use-openstreetmap-on-ios-7-in-7-lines-of-code/

in today’s programming tutorial, I’ll show you how easy it is to use
OpenStreetMap maps in your app instead of default Apple maps. 

On 17/07/2015, Donie Kelly donie.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
 HI Dan

 Are you on Android, because on iOS it only jumps to Apple maps when you
 click directions?

 Donie

 On 17 Jul 2015, at 15:44, Daniel Cussen d...@post.com wrote:

 So I did some tests.

 If I go to finer.eircode.ie on my phone and put in a postcode, and
 then click directions, the co-ordinates are handed over to my phone. I
 then have a choice of which mapping app to use. It is important to
 pick DIRECTIONS as other options use the eircode mapping website. The
 DIRECTIONS option does not appear on the non mobile version.

 Using google maps, it takes my current location and directs me all the
 way to a GPS position. This currently works even though google maps
 does not support eircode.

 You can do this 15 times a day, currently, and assuming an OSM app
 works the same, it will also be handed the position. It even shows the
 address info with the house number and name pulled from Eircode.

 This is a current possible use case. I am assuming it is currently
 possible or should be possible with OSM.  I don't have any OSM apps on
 my phone at present to try.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Eircode Next steps?

[Daniel Cussen]

The new postcode system was launched today.

https://finder.eircode.ie

Rather than discussing the pros and cons, can we look at OSM's next steps?

Also have a look at the location finding resources added by the
interactive maps etc.
Can we use any of these to our benefit?

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Submission by OSM Ireland to the public consultation on Ireland's Open Data Initiative

[Daniel Cussen]

Added my notes. I can see others edits too.

On 03/07/2015, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, yeah, first time I've used Google doc like this so not sure. Hope my
 comments are a little help

 Killian Driscoll
 Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
 Département d'anthropologie
 Université de Montréal

 umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
 www.lithicsireland.ie
 ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll

 On 2 July 2015 at 21:54, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can see them. Can others I wonder? Not sure how comments work in Google
 docs, will soon find out I guess

 It's late so I only scanned your comments briefly but they're all good
 from
 what I can see

 Appreciate the input Killian

 Dave
 On 3 Jul 2015 02:48, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi, for what its worth I've added a few comments and some general
  copy-editing. I hope you can see the comments on the drive doc. (I'm
  guessing my comments will be automatically visible to you, here's the
 link
  anyway
 
 
 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing
 
  Sorry, I really don't have time right now to add much more than that
  (I'm
  finishing up a huge project and moving continent in the next few
 days).
  Please disregard any comments/edits as you see fit!
 
  Killian Driscoll
  Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
  Département d'anthropologie
  Université de Montréal
 
  umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
  www.lithicsireland.ie
  ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll
 
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   Hi all,
  
   Recently Minister Howlin launched another public consultation on June
  15th
   with regards to the strategy around Irelands Open Data Initiative.
  
   There are 2 main documents for review under the consultation, both
   available at this link - http://www.per.gov.ie/open-data/
  
   I have started formulating a consultation submission which is OSM
 Ireland
   focused i.e. we are concerned about licencing, we are primarily
  interested
   in geodata etc. However I have given answers to all the consultation
   questions regardless, because why not.
  
   If nobody objects, I would like the finished submission to be
 considered
  as
   a response from OSM Ireland as a whole.
  
   You can find the submission document here -
  
  
 
 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bR9KwaP9IgBpVm_btn8EOa0j3rIe2SPcQjosmU1ZkOo/edit?usp=sharing
  
   I have set it so anyone can comment, rather than anyone can edit
   simply
   because it'll become very messy and difficult to track if there are
 10-20
   people editing.
  
   I hope many of you will take this opportunity to contribute to this as
  the
   process around setting up open data from a government perspective is
 at a
   crucial stage where the decisions made over the next few months will
  likely
   be the foundation for things to come for many years and there's a lot
 of
   good data sitting on govt. servers that I would hope we could make use
 of
   down the road.
  
   The response is due no later than July 15th so I would like to leave
 this
   run for the next week to 10 days, make any changes suggested through
 your
   comments / feedback and then share a final draft at which point,
   anyone
  who
   wishes to, can add their name as a contributing author, before finally
   submitting it on or around the 14th July.
  
   It should be noted that the consultation is open for anyone to provide
   feedback so if you wish to submit a response personally you can do
   that
   too.
  
   Thanks,
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Water depth in lake

[Daniel Cussen]

Could you use height info from the GPS? Would it be good enough to
calculate depth below sea level at that point? GPS height might take
into account variable water height?

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Water depth in lake

[Daniel Cussen]

http://www.openseamap.org/
is a marine map,  which may have depth, or could use depth data.

There may be some legal ramifications in some countries where the
government/department has a monopoly on producing marine charts (which
are maps with depth and other data) as free/open maps may have errors
 the government wants one source. Note sure if that applies for
Ireland:

Anyway this has lready been done!
http://hackaday.com/2015/05/25/project-sea-rendering-autonomously-renders-sea-bottoms/

but yes, if you could marry depth with location data, however there
are some things to take account:
1) Accuracy of GPS, are you recording the current error on position
from the GPS too?
2) Accuracy of ultrasonic (is it affected by temperature etc) tolerence/?
3) Depth is normally displayed on maps as mean tide level (I think),
are you taking into account tide (off shore) or recent rain for rivers
to calculate the actual depth below mean level?

I assume the Garmin is a boat Garmin so takes special boat maps. I am
quite used to NMEA data strings. It may leave out important data such
as accuracy of the GPS at each point in time, depending on which
string you use.

To save time could you not just use a laptop as a datalogger, or do
you want a leave it and forget option? Do you have power limitations
or size or what. Regarding depth are you actually mapping the area or
only places you happen to pass?

Are you doing something else on the boat and was to log the data as a
side project?

I have seen many fishing boats with a full desktop LCD monitor and
trackball mouse, with detailed marine charts instead of small
displays. They can overlay previous routes and they even share
previous areas of fishing between boats.

On 29/05/2015, John Whitmore captain.dea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello talk-ie@openstreetmap.org

 I'm working on a project for work which involves faffing about on a lake
 here
 in Ireland in a boat. What I'm doing is working on pulling NMEA Data off the
 boat's CAN Bus into a computer.

 The boat has a few sesnors on it, depth, GPS and will have water Temp, if
 not
 more. There is a Garmin Display which has a maps on it for navigation. I'm
 putting a RaspberyPi with a screen on the boat for something else but I was
 just thinking that I could actually stick a map on the RaspberryPi as well
 and
 use that instead of the garmin. Get rid of one screen. I've used Navit in a
 previous project years ago which I think used OpenStreetMaps, but I might be
 wrong.

 This could only replace the Garmin if the maps had depth data for the
 lake. Even if the OpenStreetMap doesn't have lake water depth maybe I could
 write a script to collect that data for the OSM Project? I had a look at the
 OSM maps online and there don't seem to be any water depth data so is data
 collection of interest?

 John

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Speed Limits

[Daniel Cussen]

 it to be
 able to flag roads that don't have a speed limit set (on map), or that has
 an ambiguous speed limit (in bye-laws).

You can view all OSM speed limits on this map:
http://www.itoworld.com/map/125

The large majority of non main country road are not done. For the
mobile camera zones we would like to double check the actual limit
signs on the road, and many zones have multiple speeds, and record the
position of the start and end camera signs. In this way we can be
fairly sure any alerts given would be valid.

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[OSM-talk-ie] Help Mapping House Numbers

[Daniel Cussen]

Hi,

I am hoping someone will volounteer to map some house numbers for me.
I photographed a sign on the way in to the estate, with all the houses
marked. I have never added house numbers myself, and I do not really
want to start as I am busy adding camera zones. I updated the street
names already.

Please let me know of you are going to do this, so we can leave it to you.

Things to note.
The GPS co-ordinated of the area are: 52.945923,-6.025786
The buildings beside the tennis court used to be a hotel but is now a
retirement home.

Thanks in advance,

Dan
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Help mapping House numbers

[Daniel Cussen]

I took photo myself, work away, sell the data if you can! Images are
free from copyright, as long as you agree to do my job for me! That
one photo should be enough to get it done.You can guess the numbers of
the houses that the label fell off!

There is a road in Wicklow with two houses number 13, 14, 15 , 16, 17,  18

For that pint I'll meet you at random GPS co-ordinates.

On 31/03/2014, John M. mackj...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Dan,https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.94654/-6.02410layers=NDIf you
 been following the group for the last couple of posts then you will be aware
 that I will have to ask you these questions.1. Did you take the photo
 yourself?2. Are you willing to allow OSM.org to use the data form your
 photo?3. Are these images and data free from all copyright?4. Are you aware
 that I'm only half joking :) (hope no-one gets offended)I won't have access
 to my JOSM machine for the next week or so but will happily try to do it via
 the web interface, looking at the sat image they are easy to make out. If
 you want to send me the photos to my email. I'll work away at them. I can't
 update my own area till I have the time to walk some more of the estates,
 some of them have MAD numbering or else my notes have gone haywire
 ;)Regards,John mackmackj...@hotmail.com**-*
 Make Mine a Pint of Murphy's.
 John Mack
 +353868531629
 mack_j...@hotmail.com
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[OSM-talk-ie] Mobile speed camera zones

[Daniel Cussen]

Re speed zones

 Anybody interested in helping me get these mapped ourselves? If we gather
 the data ourselves we are under no obligation to anybody?

I had a look at the number of zones and there is an incredible amount
of them. Granted they may not change for a few years, and that there
is not that many on national roads, but it would probably require
stopping at the start and end of each zone, and it's hard to find the
end as the sign is on the far side facing the wrong way It would be
best to get a definite no, before we re-invent the wheel

 I've set up a few routes with the enforcement on them and I need you guys to
 check them.

They looked OK to me but I am no OSM expert.

 I can build this query into the back end of the app

A bit of checking revealed two similar apps Trapster and Waze which
are already in use and have Irish users. They are aimed at a worldwide
audience. Anyway I am not that keen on an app that is not a full OSM
map with full OSM offline turn by turn guidance.

I already have the zones on my garmin which also uses OSM maps. Is
there any existing OSM based map that does turn by turn and also
alerts for speed zones? Will it alert for your mobile speed camera
zones? Should we have a special tag for mobile camera zone, as there
does not seem to be one that I could find? They should also be a tag
for average speed camera zone, as there is one in Newry.

I noticed this website shows all the OSM speed cameras across europe:
http://frink.bplaced.de/blitzer/
You need to zoom in to say london with level 11 zoom to see them. I
could not see any mobile camera zones. If you zoom into a place like
brussels it shows speed limit icons. I am not sure if these are fixed
cameras or what.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] mapping roads

[Daniel Cussen]

It would be useful if we got a firm no, before we start re-inventing the wheel.
Personally I would not need an app. There are loads of OSM apps that
allow editing on the go. It would be useful to track the number of
zones entered to see if we are missing any.

On 14/03/2014, Donie Kelly donie.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
 Would it be useful if I released an app that allowed you to mark the
 beginning and end of the zones? I could also gather the speed limit if you
 drive it at close to the limits?

 Could we get the community to help out?

 I'm thinking of releasing it for free.  A paid option gets you live camera
 reports.

 I love to get your help so I can do this without risk of breaching
 copyrights.

 Donie

 On 14 Mar 2014, at 19:50, Daniel Cussen d...@post.com wrote:

 I've just got a response from An Garda that my request has been passed up
 the chain.
 Fingers crossed.
 Donie

 Donie Did you ever get an official response from the Gardai regarding
 your request to use the data from Gardai.ie speedzones?

 I am very interested in putting in this data too. If we get the
 official NO then we can begin mapping them ourselves and proactively
 seeking them out and marking them. I travel on national routes
 countrywide quite often so I could start getting the GPS positions of
 the signs on each side of the road, if we cannot use the Gardai info.

 So the first thing should be to get an official respose, and if it is
 yes then it should be easy to map the zones

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dspeed_camera
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement


 On 14/03/2014, Donie Kelly donie.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can we add the restricted speed zones? The ones the go safe cameras are
 on?
 Just the speed limits on those stretches?

 I'm working on an app for the speed zones and I'd like to be able to pop
 up
 the speed limits as they are not always signed.

 I can statically scan for updates to release to the app when updates on
 the
 roads are implemented.

 Any objections on using the data for this?

 Donie

 On 14 Mar 2014, at 18:27, da fo43 daf...@outlook.com wrote:

 Hello All, First
 time posting on the mailing list but I've spoken individually to a
 number of you already. There can't be too many roads still to map in
 Ireland now so I guess the next step would be to improve the quality by
 filling in road numbers, names, etc. So I'm going to propose a few
 standards and see what people think. 1.   Map L roads 1000 to 4999
 (Local Primary) as 'Tertiary' and all other public roads as
 'Unclassified'
 or 'Residential'.
 I know people have a lot of differing views on this and will admit that
 some local primary roads seem to have less importance than Local
 Secondary and Local Tertiary roads but really I think it's better to go
 with what is designated rather than making judgement calls. On some
 parts of the map all roads are being set to 'Tertiary' so really I
 don't
 think the current system works. All other roads are mapped as per
 designation so I personally don't see why this should be any different.
 2.   Labeling roads L1000- with spaces.
 I see on some parts of the map that roads are being labelled with a
 space 'L 1234' instead of 'L1234'. I would be in favour of sticking to
 one standard, and going with the majority in not using a space.
 3.   Labeling roads over L.
 I propose the labeling roads listed as L12341 as L1234-1 as
 this makes it easier to read and work out which branch of
 primary/secondary road it belongs to. I guess this might not suit
 everyone.

 4.   Non public roads to be displayed as 'Service' or 'Track' only.
 It's not always obvious if some roads are private (especially some
 housing estates) but where it is known for certain they are private
 then
 I would be in favour of using a 'service' road rather than
 'residential' or 'unclassified'.

 Hopefully
 we can agree on some things and apologies if I have overwritten
 anyone's work recently, it's certainly not my intention to do so and I
 will go with whatever the consensus is. Lastly I was planning on making
 some small updates to the Wiki page, just a general cleanup on removing
 dead links and adding a sat nav section, if anyone has any objections
 please let me know.

 David

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Average speed camera zones

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The data is hosted on the Gardai website. I am not sure on copyright information

The zones can be viewed here:
http://www.garda.ie/gosafe.htm

More info on the actual database, and how to extract it etc is here:
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056903045

along with the fixed camera positions.

Dan

On 01/10/2013, Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org wrote:
 On 30/09/13 21:01, Daniel Cussen wrote:
 Hi,

 I did some work in the past moving the Gardai mobile speed camera
 database over to a format for Garmin. Could someone look at possibly
 importing the garda data into openstreetmap? I don't know if it would
 be possible.

 The database does not include the speed limits, just a start and end
 location. I don't know what tags should be used and how useful the
 results would be on an off the shelf sat Nav.

 There is also a seperate file with fixed speed camera locations (there
 are very few) which could be a related project.

 Ideas/thoughts?

 Hiya Dan.

 Good idea. Where did you get the data? One of the biggest problems with
 importing data into OSM is that a lot of map data is copyrighted in a
 way that doesn't allow import into OSM.

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Average speed camera zones

[Daniel Cussen]

If you read here:
http://psi.gov.ie/home/

It says
The Directive has been transposed into Irish law ..which places an
obligation on public sector bodies to provide information about
material that they are prepared to release under the Directive. The
Regulations also give powers to the Minister for Public Expenditure
and Reform to require public sector bodies to supply information to
him and to specify the format.

so I think you would still need to contact the Gardai, as far as I can make out.

On 01/10/2013, Donie Kelly donie.ke...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does this data not fall under fair use they being a public body? How can
 they copyright it?  I'm not an expert on copyright law btw :)

 Can this information be obtained under the freedom of information act and
 used for whatever?

 Donie


 On 1 Oct 2013, at 17:28, Daniel Cussen d...@post.com wrote:

 There is copyright info here:

 http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=1442Lang=1

 You might need to ask for permission. Anyone want to ring the Gardai
 press office!

 On 01/10/2013, Daniel Cussen d...@post.com wrote:
 The data is hosted on the Gardai website. I am not sure on copyright
 information

 The zones can be viewed here:
 http://www.garda.ie/gosafe.htm

 More info on the actual database, and how to extract it etc is here:
 https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056903045

 along with the fixed camera positions.

 Dan

 On 01/10/2013, Rory McCann r...@technomancy.org wrote:
 On 30/09/13 21:01, Daniel Cussen wrote:
 Hi,

 I did some work in the past moving the Gardai mobile speed camera
 database over to a format for Garmin. Could someone look at possibly
 importing the garda data into openstreetmap? I don't know if it would
 be possible.

 The database does not include the speed limits, just a start and end
 location. I don't know what tags should be used and how useful the
 results would be on an off the shelf sat Nav.

 There is also a seperate file with fixed speed camera locations (there
 are very few) which could be a related project.

 Ideas/thoughts?

 Hiya Dan.

 Good idea. Where did you get the data? One of the biggest problems with
 importing data into OSM is that a lot of map data is copyrighted in a
 way that doesn't allow import into OSM.

 Rory




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[OSM-talk-ie] Average speed camera zones

[Daniel Cussen]

Hi,

I did some work in the past moving the Gardai mobile speed camera
database over to a format for Garmin. Could someone look at possibly
importing the garda data into openstreetmap? I don't know if it would
be possible.

The database does not include the speed limits, just a start and end
location. I don't know what tags should be used and how useful the
results would be on an off the shelf sat Nav.

There is also a seperate file with fixed speed camera locations (there
are very few) which could be a related project.

Ideas/thoughts?

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