Re: [OSM-talk-ie] FYI: N Route re-designations as Motorways

2009-07-16 Thread Andrew McCarthy
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 06:42:18PM +0100, Thomas Bibby wrote:
  N7: Limerick Bypass section, but how much of it?
 
 From the roundabout at start of the dual carriageway bypass (junction
 with under construction motorway), to the R511 overbridge (a few
 hundred metres before the N7/N20 interchange roundabout, strangely)
 
  N20: Anybody know exactly how much of it?
 
 The SI [1] says from 660m south of the N7/N20 roundabout, which is
 about mid-way between the roundabout and the first offramp on the N20
 (interestingly enough this offramp got a single blue sign showing the
 exit, none anywhere else on the N20), to where the N20 branches off
 and the N21 goes straight on.

Just a thought, but are these points the official boundary of the
Limerick Tunnel scheme, in particular the new N20/N7 interchange which
is mentioned separately? The 50km/hr temporary speed limit on the N20
northbound starts quite a bit before you see any roadworks, for
instance.

Andrew

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] FYI: N Route re-designations as Motorways

2009-07-15 Thread Tom Pfeifer
Richard Cantwell wrote:
 Good Afternoon All.
 
 Just a quick heads-up, if you havent heard elsewhere, the Motorway
 re-designation scheme is coming into effect on August 28th.  Details here:
 http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0714/1224250638091.html

thanks!

We might need to check against the actual Roads Act in the statutebook
once that is being published.

The latest I could find was last year's:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2008/en/si/0279.html

However, the list apparently refers to a mix of roads that are
either completed, under construction or planned only.
If I look e.g. at the N9 from Dublin to Waterford, many sections are
still a clay track currently.

Even last year's road act has a disclaimer that
This Order applies only to high quality dual carriageways which were
already built, under construction or in planning...

 It would be demonstrative of the power of crowdsourced data if we could
 ensure that our data gets updated that day to reflect the changes
 instantaneously.  

Since the roads are at a different stage, the practical side would
not be a single day of switching.

Many motorway sections under construction are in OSM already,
tagged as 'highway=construction' and 'construction=motorway'.
For dual carriageways already in use it would be simply a
change form 'highway=trunk' to 'highway=motorway' (and for the
link roads appropriately).

  I imagine it will be a year or two before OSi re-issue the
 Discovery Series (1:50,000) with the changes shown.  It will also be
 interesting to see how long it takes TeleAtlas (and thus Google) to update
 their mapping.

Well they are terribly slow as we know. And while there is a 5th edition
of sheet 50 of the OS series, most of the country is still stuck with
the 2nd which misses lots of local development, bypasses and new R-roads.
Their electronic map is a bit more up-to-date, so they are just too
lazy to render new print versions.

Teleatlas has still many mistakes, R559 in Dingle my favourite one.
Up to last year it was even routed across the mountain!

http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnikmt1=googlehybridlon=-10.4589lat=52.14379zoom=15

Their tagging of road classifications is also inconsistent throughout
the country so that roads or the same class are rendered differently.

 I'm not too familiar with the tagging process, but might it be an option to
 prepare for this event by adding a tag to all of the sections of N Road
 which are about to change, so that they can be easily changed on the day
 itself?

I think this would be more effort in preparing such an extra tag.
Changing a road from N to M would cost only a minute, once the blue
signs appear in the field.

Tom


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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] FYI: N Route re-designations as Motorways

2009-07-15 Thread Thomas Pedoussaut
Just about my local knowledge of the N11,

Dermot McNally wrote:
 N11 Arklow and Gorey Bypasses
   
It probably will only start south of Arklow North (exit 20), because
the northern part of the dual carriageway has T style exits that aren't
motorway grade.
Southbound from there, all the road is motorway-grade to the end of the
current construction, just before Camolin.

 N11 Rathnew/Ashford, though the northern extent here will need to be checked.
   
Same, the northern limit part is really fuzzy in my mind, seems the same
grade to me once passed Kilpedder.
The southern limit will be a few hundred meters from the end of the
current dul carriageway, as there are a few farms directly connected to
the carriageway.

I'll give you the exact loction once the proper signage will be in place.

-- 
Thomas


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