Re: [OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018
I have finished the Dublin Counties. They can be viewed at overpass-turbo.eu/s/GNq or by entering political_division=local_const and existed=2014- or existed=2019- in "County Dublin"into the wizard. Alternatively at u.osmfr.org/m/299562 For anyone not familiar with umap, You can drag the image and zoom using the plus or minus or with the mouse wheel. The LEA name will appear when you hover over an area. Using the 'disc layers' icon on left you can switch different layers on-off. Using the 'paper layers' icon you can vary the appearance of the background map. ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
[OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018
These are all done now bar in Cork and possibly Dublin counties but dont import them to maps.openstreetmap.ie quite yet. Could someone update us on Dublin, we do not have an official new Cork City boundary yet and cannot do the MD/LEA updates in and around Cork City yet. ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
[OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018
Unfortunate precedent in Meath They have split EDs between 2 MDs in the cases of Ratoath, Ashbourne and Laytown-Bettystown EDs. Until now townlands nested perfectly in EDs which turn nested perfectly In MDs. This is not now the case. I doubt that new part EDs will be created to reflect this split so we live with it for the next 5 years. Description here. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si/628/made/en/print?q=meath ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
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Cork County http://opac.oireachtas.ie/AWData/Library3/HPLGdoclaid080219B_124227.pdf Cork City http://opac.oireachtas.ie/AWData/Library3/HPLGdoclaid080219a_113956.pdf But we need final boundaries for this new Cork City first. ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
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Lest anyone think that WE are the ones who are confused here. :) 3 new amending Sis appeared a week or 2 back. One refers to Louth. http://opac.oireachtas.ie/AWData/Library3/HPLGdoclaid230119A_144931.pdf So 1. The committee recommended Dundalk Municipal Borough District 2. SI 626 of 2018 mandated The Borough District of Dundalk 3. SI 6 of 2019 mandated The Municipal District of Dundalk Note that amending SIs were also issued for Wicklow and for Meath. Meath > http://opac.oireachtas.ie/AWData/Library3/HPLGdoclaid230119C_150715.pdf Wicklow > http://opac.oireachtas.ie/AWData/Library3/HPLGdoclaid230119B_145526.pdf /anals C ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
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Colm is correct, the canonical data is always the SI. The only difference I found is that The PDF report recommends EG Westport(sp)-(sp)Belmullet MD where the SI orders that Westport-Belmullet (sic) MD is created, I used no spaces anyway. I have found no other differences. Pick your County from this complete list of the Sis, remember that none have been published for Cork City and County yet. They are imminent. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/ResultsTitle.html?q=local+electoral+2018 I did do West Cork MD along with Bantry-West Cork and Skiberreen-West Cork LEAs, the ones with all the islands. I will pause Cork there and let someone check them after the Sis issue for Cork. ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
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Hi, Please be careful. While the committee report are usually followed, there may be changes in certain circumstances. It is best to use the SIs previously linked to. Colm --- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2019 18:02:26 - From: Cormac O Murchú Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018 New Local Electoral Areas 2018 Actually I have already _finished_ Connacht and Ulster, I started this over a week back. Also done Kerry and Longford and SW Cork. Data here (rural counties) https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boundarycommittee.ie%2Freports%2FLocal%2520Electoral%2520Area%2520Boundary%25data=02%7C01%7C%7C0bf62a984d3f4c7ce33a08d69519ea31%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636860335861578580sdata=GeHwqlmasAKQGDtrpaWUG91mtGYnwL8y9IXKkAngWhY%3Dreserved=0 20Committee%20No.1%20Report%20-%202018.pdf Cities https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boundarycommittee.ie%2Freports%2FLEA%2520BC%2520No.%25202%2520Report%2520-%2520FIdata=02%7C01%7C%7C0bf62a984d3f4c7ce33a08d69519ea31%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636860335861578580sdata=jrWCj6OuugGn9zfzZZLBNjLqUNXel5aT4HM8vzn4jR8%3Dreserved=0 NAL%20WEBSITE%20MASTER%20COPY.pdf ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
[OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018
New Local Electoral Areas 2018 Actually I have already _finished_ Connacht and Ulster, I started this over a week back. Also done Kerry and Longford and SW Cork. Data here (rural counties) http://www.boundarycommittee.ie/reports/Local%20Electoral%20Area%20Boundary% 20Committee%20No.1%20Report%20-%202018.pdf Cities http://www.boundarycommittee.ie/reports/LEA%20BC%20No.%202%20Report%20-%20FI NAL%20WEBSITE%20MASTER%20COPY.pdf I left the old ones there MD and LEA , they have a name ending (2014-2019) Tag added existed=2014-2019 if MD or LEA is deprecated, a lot of new LEAs and also MD name changes there too. New MD or LEA existed=2019- Continuing MD or LEA existed=2014- place=region tag added to every MD (admin_level=8) as there are far too many Tuam s in Nominatim. Cannot do Cork City as we will need a proper boundary and townlands and EDs are to be split properly so that an admin_level 10 nests inside a 9 8 and 7 properly. Just look at Ovens in the south west. A sliver of Ovens ED and 3 Townlands transfer to the city. https://www.corkcity.ie/en/media-folder/public-info/cork-city-boundary-map.p df We need a non generalised boundary to do this properly. Where a country ED is split the new one ( in the City) will also require an LAU2 code from the CSO. HTH ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
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I have a request pending with the Cork boundary transition team (since I haven't found a licence-free version of the data yet and they haven't spray-painted the new borders "on the ground"). They haven't responded so far (have emailed them twice) so if anyone has any contacts in the city / county councils, please give them a poke. Thanks! Donal On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 13:19, Colm Moore wrote: > Hi, > > It is useful to have the current electoral areas. Putting the date on them > indicates (accuracy aside) they are the current ones. > > Having past ones listed (and dated) means that one can avoid the situation > of someone finding an old source and editing the current boundaries to fit > historical boundaries. > > It is also nice to have and to be able to understand how boundaries have > evolved. > > As an aside, when roads get realigned, statutory boundaries do **not** > change, so users should be careful in such circumstances. > > Colm > > > --- > Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead > > -- > > > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 17:24:42 + > From: Dave Corley > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018 > > Hi, > > Can I ask a stupid question or two > > Why do we need to reflect previous ed boundaries? > > Is OSM the right place to store that info? > > Could someone reuse that data later in the same manner they use the current > boundary data? > > Is it just a "nice to have" bit of info? > > Dave > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
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Hi, It is useful to have the current electoral areas. Putting the date on them indicates (accuracy aside) they are the current ones. Having past ones listed (and dated) means that one can avoid the situation of someone finding an old source and editing the current boundaries to fit historical boundaries. It is also nice to have and to be able to understand how boundaries have evolved. As an aside, when roads get realigned, statutory boundaries do **not** change, so users should be careful in such circumstances. Colm --- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead -- Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 17:24:42 + From: Dave Corley Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018 Hi, Can I ask a stupid question or two Why do we need to reflect previous ed boundaries? Is OSM the right place to store that info? Could someone reuse that data later in the same manner they use the current boundary data? Is it just a "nice to have" bit of info? Dave ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018
Hi, Can I ask a stupid question or two Why do we need to reflect previous ed boundaries? Is OSM the right place to store that info? Could someone reuse that data later in the same manner they use the current boundary data? Is it just a "nice to have" bit of info? Dave On Tue 12 Feb 2019, 13:31 Colm Moore Hi, > > Those two seem fine, although the names of two the constituent EDs are > slightly different between the SI and OSM, > > SI: Dun Laoghaire-Sallynoggin West > OSM: Dun Laoghaire Sallynoggin West ED > > SI: Dun Laoghaire-Sandycove > OSM: Dún Laoghaire-Sandycove ED > > I would add the year to the name=* and alt_name=* fields. You could add a > link to the SI (some SIs may only be available as PDFs). > > There are two orders each for Louth, Meath and Wicklow, which amend some > names. > > Note that the boundary of Cork City is radically different and that the > European constituencies will be Brexit dependent. > > List of orders for all councils below. > > Colm > > 2019 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2019/si > 6 County Of Louth Local Electoral Areas And Municipal Districts > (Amendment) Order 2019 > 7 County Of Wicklow Local Electoral Areas And Municipal Districts > (Amendment) Order 2019 > 8 County Of Meath Local Electoral Areas And Municipal Districts > (Amendment) Order 2019 > 27 City Of Cork Local Electoral Areas Order 2019 > 28 County Of Cork Local Electoral Areas And Municipal Districts Order 2019 > > 2018 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si > 610 County of Carlow Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 611 County of Cavan Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 612 County of Clare Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 613 County of Donegal Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 614 City of Dublin Local Electoral Areas Order 2018. > 615 County of Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown Local Electoral Areas Order 2018. > 616 County of Fingal Local Electoral Areas Order 2018. > 617 City of Galway Local Electoral Areas Order 2018. > 618 County of Galway Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 619 County of Kerry Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 620 County of Kildare Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 621 County of Kilkenny Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 622 County of Laois Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 623 County of Leitrim Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 624 City and County of Limerick Local Electoral Areas and Municipal > Districts Order 2018. > 625 County of Longford Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 626 County of Louth Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 627 County of Mayo Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 628 County of Meath Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 629 County of Monaghan Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 630 County of Offaly Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 631 County of Roscommon Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts > Order 2018. > 632 County of Sligo Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 633 County of South Dublin Local Electoral Areas Order 2018. > 634 County of Tipperary Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts > Order 2018. > 635 City and County of Waterford Local Electoral Areas and Municipal > Districts Order 2018. > 636 County of Westmeath Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts > Order 2018. > 637 County of Wexford Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > 638 County of Wicklow Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order > 2018. > > > ----------- > Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead > > > > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 19:54:02 + > From: Brian Hollinshead > Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018 > > > It is four years since the last change in LEAs. > Last Summer a boundary commission issued new proposals and in December new > Statutory Instruments were issued. I learnt today of the references for the > four Dublin areas. > SI 614 2018 Dublin City > SI 615 2018 DLR > SI 616 2018 Fingal > SI 633 2018 South Dublin. > > see > https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=h
[OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018
Hi, Those two seem fine, although the names of two the constituent EDs are slightly different between the SI and OSM, SI: Dun Laoghaire-Sallynoggin West OSM: Dun Laoghaire Sallynoggin West ED SI: Dun Laoghaire-Sandycove OSM: Dún Laoghaire-Sandycove ED I would add the year to the name=* and alt_name=* fields. You could add a link to the SI (some SIs may only be available as PDFs). There are two orders each for Louth, Meath and Wicklow, which amend some names. Note that the boundary of Cork City is radically different and that the European constituencies will be Brexit dependent. List of orders for all councils below. Colm 2019 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2019/si 6 County Of Louth Local Electoral Areas And Municipal Districts (Amendment) Order 2019 7 County Of Wicklow Local Electoral Areas And Municipal Districts (Amendment) Order 2019 8 County Of Meath Local Electoral Areas And Municipal Districts (Amendment) Order 2019 27 City Of Cork Local Electoral Areas Order 2019 28 County Of Cork Local Electoral Areas And Municipal Districts Order 2019 2018 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si 610 County of Carlow Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 611 County of Cavan Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 612 County of Clare Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 613 County of Donegal Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 614 City of Dublin Local Electoral Areas Order 2018. 615 County of Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown Local Electoral Areas Order 2018. 616 County of Fingal Local Electoral Areas Order 2018. 617 City of Galway Local Electoral Areas Order 2018. 618 County of Galway Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 619 County of Kerry Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 620 County of Kildare Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 621 County of Kilkenny Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 622 County of Laois Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 623 County of Leitrim Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 624 City and County of Limerick Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 625 County of Longford Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 626 County of Louth Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 627 County of Mayo Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 628 County of Meath Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 629 County of Monaghan Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 630 County of Offaly Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 631 County of Roscommon Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 632 County of Sligo Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 633 County of South Dublin Local Electoral Areas Order 2018. 634 County of Tipperary Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 635 City and County of Waterford Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 636 County of Westmeath Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 637 County of Wexford Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. 638 County of Wicklow Local Electoral Areas and Municipal Districts Order 2018. --- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 19:54:02 + From: Brian Hollinshead Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018 It is four years since the last change in LEAs. Last Summer a boundary commission issued new proposals and in December new Statutory Instruments were issued. I learnt today of the references for the four Dublin areas. SI 614 2018 Dublin City SI 615 2018 DLR SI 616 2018 Fingal SI 633 2018 South Dublin. see https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishstatutebook.ie%2Feli%2F2018%2Fsi%2F615%2Fmade%2Fen%2Fprintdata=02%7C01%7C%7C41832eb9946d4b1fd2e408d690e1e94d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636855697280392670sdata=vdkeB8mLpvd1ldEe52xVtNJsCrSlJTRvW0%2FRNC9tzaE%3Dreserved=0 Some areas have remained unchanged while others have had EDs moved from one LEA to a neighbouring one. For instance Dun Laoghaire LEA lost Foxrock-Beechpark ED which was moved to Blackrock LEA. I have today added these to OSM and before adding any others I would like feedback on the Tagging I used. please see openstreetmap.org/relation/9316769 and 770. Where an LEA remains unchanged how should we change the tagging to reflect both 2014 and 2018 valid dates and the two sources SI 46 2014 and SI 615 2018. I welcome your advices
[OSM-talk-ie] New Local Electoral Areas 2018
It is four years since the last change in LEAs. Last Summer a boundary commission issued new proposals and in December new Statutory Instruments were issued. I learnt today of the references for the four Dublin areas. SI 614 2018 Dublin City SI 615 2018 DLR SI 616 2018 Fingal SI 633 2018 South Dublin. see http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2018/si/615/made/en/print Some areas have remained unchanged while others have had EDs moved from one LEA to a neighbouring one. For instance Dun Laoghaire LEA lost Foxrock-Beechpark ED which was moved to Blackrock LEA. I have today added these to OSM and before adding any others I would like feedback on the Tagging I used. please see openstreetmap.org/relation/9316769 and 770. Where an LEA remains unchanged how should we change the tagging to reflect both 2014 and 2018 valid dates and the two sources SI 46 2014 and SI 615 2018. I welcome your advices. ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
