Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetBugs Phase Out. please help fixing open bugs
I fixed Russian and Ukrainian pages and also changed https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Quick_contact template which was pointing to OSB too. Eugene On 29 October 2013 00:42, Werner Hoch werner...@gmx.de wrote: Hi all, the Notes features is active since April now. Many users have started creating Notes (OSN) instead of OpenStreetBug (OSB) entries. I'm currently trying to push the phase out of OSB with various methods: * Updating the wiki with deprecation notices of OSB [1] * Collecting infomations about programs that are still using OSB [2] * Wrote a blog entry to sketch the phase out [3] * created stats about the distribution of bugs [4] ... and started fixing and reviewing bugs in Africa and other areas with low bug density * created a wiki page to organize the phase out [5] Most of the Open Bugs are in Germany and in Russia: [DE]15125 [RU]6474 [GB]2740 [US]1586 [IT]1227 [FR]1091 [BE]1068 Currently there are about 41000 open bugs in the OSB database. I think the best strategy is to fix as many open bugs as possible and close all bugs that are no longer valid. In about two month, make a mapping party and review the remaining bugs and move good bug reports to OSN. For some tasks I need some help: 1. Please fix as many bugs as possible. (all mappers, especially local) 2. Collect more programs and websites that are creating OSBs [2] 3. update Wiki main pages to use OSN instead of OSB: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Af:Main Page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Fi:Main Page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Fi:WikiProject Finland https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Id:Halaman Utama https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ko:첫 페이지 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pl:FAQ https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Si:Main Page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sr:Main Page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Th:Main Page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Uk:Main Page If you speek one of the language, can you change the wiki page, please? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main page beta https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main Page/test https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portals beta What are the test and beta pages good for? Update them, too? Any comment and help is welcome Thanks and regards Werner (werner2101) [1]https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetBugs [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetBugs#Tools_for_Using_and_Exporting_Data [3]http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/werner2101/diary/20213 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/werner2101/diary/20268 [4]http://www.h-renrew.de/h/osm/osmchecks/09_osb_phaseout/ [5]https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenStreetBugs/Phase_Out ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Revival: Multilingual Country-List
On 20 February 2013 11:47, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Hi I revived the Multilingual Country-List tool. Now with Overpass-API as source, it's a useful tool again. If you find the time, head over to http://toolserver.org/~**mazder/multilingual-country-**list/http://toolserver.org/~mazder/multilingual-country-list/ and look for your favorite language. If you find a low completeness (100%), check out the list of the country names. If they are translated well, click the mark ok link and your progress rises. I noticed that in some cases lines without translation were marked as OK. I would suggest to add a safeguard to this, e.g. when respective name:xx is absent, it is not possible to mark it as OK. Eugene ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine
On 13 August 2012 13:51, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: For the Belarussian case this would mean to keep in name what is on the signs (if they are consistent and not half new half old) and to put the now official name in a tag official_name. And that is exactly the problem, there is inconsistency on the ground across the whole country Crimea included. This goes up to the point when on a single street some buildings have Russian rendering and some have Ukrainian. Also in number of cases the street signs on the buildings are in Russian, but all direction signs around have Ukrainian spelling. If you follow closely the 'on the ground rule' and put what you see to 'name' key, you will end up with mix in language in majority of the cities. The map will be not really convenient, since primary search values are in mix of languages. Eugene ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine
On 3 August 2012 11:07, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: Moreover, having unpredictable mix in 'name' will degrade quality of any navigational maps or geocoding. While I cannot say anything regarding your other points, and, to be clear, I don't oppose you in general, I would like to disagree with this argument: Having an unpredictable mix in name will not degrade quality of anything, as long as you provide the languaged tags, too. Of course. The thing is, that we (overall Ukrainian community) do care about having all three languages in toponyms (Russian, Ukrainan, English), while the edit war started by silently killing Ukrainian. Which brings another question: What does everyone think if we go through all Ukraine and copy name tag with Ukrainian in it into name:uk? This will be a huge semi-automated task. Any opinions? Eugene ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Naming disputes in Ukraine
On Thu Aug 2 20:22:16 BST 2012 Frederik Ramm wrote: Yes, because as soon as you invent this status part, you will offend someone, no matter whether you choose the Ukrainian or the Russian version of the status part. This is the main misunderstanding here. We tried to explain it several times, but were always ignored by the guys who started to change everything back to Russian and unfortunately by DWG. Our initial changes of streets in Crimea to Ukrainian was driven by a simple technical decision, which is to have 'name' in Ukrainian, so the map will work as is in navigation software, name:en tags could be generated, and validators could be written. No politics, no 'pro-Ukrainian' or 'anti-Russian', although we are constantly being painted as such. Suddenly a newcomer approaches, and silently mass-renames many streets into Russian, loosing original Ukrainian renderings along the way, e.g. without copying them to name:uk. As we always do in such cases, he was contacted in private, and in parallel his actions were discussed in users: Ukraine forum. In three days he gave his 'go ahead' to revert his changes. I was the one who made the reverts. We thought it's over. Then couple weeks ago we occasionally found out that he silently reverted the reverts, and then after my following revert contacted DWG. After the first case we were openly encouraging him and anyone else from Crimea to step in and propose to change the rule, which they never even tried, only expressed heavy abuses in return. The main reasoning for our offer was that we cannot silently alter the guidelines on the Wiki without prior discussion. Many fellow users, including those closely involved in the discussions, were all OK with having Crimea all in Russian, and still are. We just did not want to create a precedence when a total newcomer (with 10 new objects on the map) can jump in and twist the whole thing as he wants (and the main arguments of the guy was that 'I want it to be in Russian since I speak Russian'). What made the whole thing bitter is that after all we found out that the initial user who started all of this and who wrote to DWG, actually is a permanent resident of Moscow, Russia, and as such is not local only to Crimea, but even to whole Ukraine. Nevertheless, we are willing to ignore this fact and address the problem. So, to make it straight. o We are fine with clear and simple rule to have 'name' tag in Crimea for street ways (to give proper definition, within a polygon defined by relation 72639), such as 'have Russian in name tag', or 'have 2 renderings in name tag'. This will make possible to continue the current pace of using software in processing and exporting territory of Ukraine. o The rule above cannot be applied to city and village names, since all of those are in Ukrainian everywhere. All place nodes already have 4 name tags. o The rule to have name in Ukrainian never stretched on usual objects such as POIs. E.g. we always wrote in 'name' whatever is actually on the advertisement for this amenity. There are names in Ukrainian, Russian and English in the country. So there is no need to enforce anything in this regard. o Our initial decision to have Ukrainian in name tag had nothing to do with politics or oppression of any human being. It is a purely technical decision, in the light that OSM is a Database, and not just a map. o Current DWG decision does not address the problem at all, since historically same object may (and does) have inconsistent naming on the ground. o Moreover, having unpredictable mix in 'name' will degrade quality of any navigational maps or geocoding. o Substantial part of Crimea was mapped in Ukrainian from the beginning, simply because people followed the established rule. We have several locals from Crimea in the forums who were surprised by the dispute, and who did the initial mapping. Nevertheless, it is OK to rename those to whatever be decided. Thus, I would like to request DWG to revisit their decision and whole dispute, and come up with something which is more transparent and easy to follow. Eugene ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
