Re: [Talk-ca] Postal Codes
Google maps already provides point-to-point postal codes. Wikipedia gives a list of all the postal codes. Is OSM trying to copy this feature? Immanuel On Dec 30, 2014 1:16 PM, James Ewen ve6...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Adam Martin s.adam.mar...@gmail.com wrote: I was reading over the previous discussions held here regarding the issue of obtaining postal codes for use with civic addresses in Canada. I understand that, unless specific permission is obtained, there is no way to utilize the information stored in the Canada Post database, even if that information is manually acquired from the database during a lookup. Anyway, it would appear that obtaining the information from Canada Post is, basically, a dead end. Might I suggest an alternative? Why not a volunteer effort? I can't look up a code and reproduce it on the map, but I can surely put my own postal code and those of my previous addresses into the map. That knowledge has nothing to do with looking it up on their website. Here's where I have a hard time understanding how postal code information can ever be used in OSM. Who created the postal code information? The information can't be traced back to farmer Brown who lived on this lane in 1642, hence the road name Brown Lane. I believe Canada Post created the database, and defines which areas are within the bounds of a particular forward sortation area, local delivery unit. They can change these bounds as necessary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_codes_in_Canada Since OSM can't use any restricted information sources, and must rely on non-encumbered information, how can Canada Post postal code information ever be considered common knowledge or open data? If you look up my postal code, and put it on an envelope, when I receive that letter, and see my postal code, does it suddenly become public knowledge, and Canada Post loses the right to maintain control? If I print out a Google Map, and hand you that copy, does the Google Map data become non-encumbered? The only way to know the postal code for any specific location is to have at one point referenced the Canada Post database, either directly, or indirectly. Road names, town names etc. can be argued to precede the map databases in a number of cases, and have a legal right to be used. In current towns and cities, when the planners make up road names, it could be thought of that the designers hold the copyright on the road name database (if asserted). I don't see where a completely contrived database of information that is created and controlled by an entity which asserts copyright will ever be able to be used in an unencumbered manner, no matter how many times removed from accessing the database the data is derived. The idea of each person in Canada providing their specific postal code to an OSM database does not remove the hold which Canada Post asserts. It would be illegal for one person to copy the database as a whole, so why would it be legal for 30 million people to copy one piece of the database and pool that information? I love the idea of OSM and would like to see all data available and in use in the OSM database, but I've always had a hard time figuring out the line of distinction between encumbered and unencumbered information sources. James VE6SRV ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Base de données géographiques et administratives
Ca vient de sortir sur twitter http://www.donnees.gouv.qc.ca/?node=/donnees-detailsid=d6c535cb-b508-4cab-9a15-bdccd9433da4 source: https://twitter.com/MAMROTQC/status/385848071785291776 Immanuel M. / Mr. Immanuel Giulea, BComm Ville Mont-Royal, QC 514-577-2669 ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Activités à saveur géographique dans les prochains mois
Journée mondiale des SIG On 2013-08-31 4:27 PM, Guillaume Pratte guilla...@guillaumepratte.net wrote: Bonjour, J'ai remarqué qu'il y avait plusieurs activités à saveur géographique à venir à Montréal, et je cherche à en faire la liste complète afin de déterminer la prochaine date de rencontre du groupe OpenStreetMap Montréal. Voici ce que j'ai. En connaissez-vous d'autres? 2 octobre 2013 - Défi GéoHack MTL http://defigeohackmtl.org/ 3 et 4 octobre - Géomatique 2013 http://geomatique2013.com/ 19 octobre - EcoHack Mtl http://www.ecohackmtl.org/ Merci! Guillaume ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis
I'm also very new at Openstreetmap and want to add my 2cents. I think a directory of all the tools available would be a great starting point. So far I was introduced to wheelmap and overpass. But not any of the fantastic dozens of tools available. If those tools were allowed as layers on the main map I would be happy. Let's face it openstreetmap is very little known. I have contacted the geography faculties here in Montreal to let them know an alternative to gmaps exists. Google has become synonymous to search engine. Gmaps has become synonymous to mapping. Immanuel On 2013-07-09 6:42 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: Would a reasonable compromise be to provide links to projects that use osm? Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 09/07/2013 11:30 Simon Poole wrote: Am 09.07.2013 11:25, schrieb o...@k3v.eu: My ideal solution would be to have a gmaps style integrated site mainly as a shop window to attract new people (+ also nice to show off to the media) ... I'm sure you realize that even if you call it something different it is still a duck (as in: If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, ...), In practice what you would like amounts to running a full blown gmaps competitor, and if it even done badly it would be so insanely popular that we would have to turn the project inside out to support it (we already have some of the issues without even trying). Simon ___ talk mailing list o...@k3v.eu http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-ca] Fwd: [OSM-talk] SWOT – a photo of OpenStreetMap
FYI -- Forwarded message -- From: Johan C osm...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] SWOT – a photo of OpenStreetMap To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org The members of OSM’s Future Group and several other community members have been working hard in the past weeks to create the first outlines of a SWOT analysis of OpenStreetMap. It’s still in a brainstorming phase, so that’s why you can find the SWOT on a discussion page instead of a better looking quadrant. That will be done later this year. We would like you to take a look at it and update the SWOT with your own thoughts: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Future#SWOT_Analysis_of_OpenStreetMap Why spending time on a thing as a SWOT and not spend thát time on mapping? Well, that’s because OSM has got an enormous potential, which for some unknown reason still isn’t unleashed very well. A SWOT is one of the tools in the process to find out what could be done to change that. Three examples. 1. 1. In a recent discussion on osmf-talk http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2013-July/002179.html Michal Palenik wrote this: I am teaching a class at out department of cartography of comenius university. classes openstreetmap 1 (editing in josm) and openstreetmap 2 (postgis, leaflet basics). since 2010. However i am not aware of a single student becoming a regular mapper The logic for a SWOT: strength: a community member teaching on OSM. Weakness: no structural effect of his efforts. A potential weakness: the community not helping him in ideas/understanding (he did the last post on this topic). Opportunity: the ideas other community members have how to change students into regular mappers. 2. 2. In my country thousands of hours have been spent on mapping the country. The map is looking better than any other map. When surfing to websites which use a map (local soccer clubs etcetera), OSM is never used. Others are. What’s the reason for that? And what’s the opportunity here, what could be changed? Translating this into the logics of a SWOT: ‘weakness = low usage of OSM on websites’ ‘opportunity = [please fill in whatever you think is the opportunity here]’. 3. 3. In several countries (tens of) thousands of people are part of the GMM community and the WAZE community. They are not only contributing in terms of gps traces, but also massively in the respective map editors. What are the reasons that OSM is relatively small in these countries, and what are the opportunities/potential changes for OSM? Translating this into the logics of a SWOT: ‘weakness = too few contributors’ ‘opportunity = [please fill in whatever you think is the opportunity here]’ If you have any questions on the SWOT or on the process the Future Group interactively follows, don't hesitate to ask. The OSM Future group will be present @ SOTM with several members for a workshop on the future of OSM. We'll also interview several community members. More information on that will follow later. OSM Future Group Johan (user: It's so funny) ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Beta Web site STM / Open Street Map
The screenshot looks really awesome. Are there plans for an Android (open source) mobile app ? Immanuel On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.orgwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-20 08:55, Harald Kliems wrote: Looks very nice! But it's too bad that the bus lines/stops are not displayed -- or do I just not see the option? It seems although the option is not visible, the default search for an itinerary is for bus lines. *If you check metro/train* options, they will be *added* in the itinerary calculation: http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1371734189.pnghttp://www.gophoto.it/view.php?i=http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1371734189.png F. - -- Fabián Rodríguez http://openstreetmap.magicfab.ca -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlHDARkACgkQfUcTXFrypNVMhACgxke1q1nlk3ZFSocAPy5DgNhs vgcAn11/+CAW1RsPZYF+34GFrfWOapIx =SN3J -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap Montréal birthday party
Je suis d'accord avec une approche plus coordonnée. le choix de l'acronyme OSMtl peut aussi porter confusion avec l'Orchestre Symphonique de Montréal. Immanuel On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Un tel site peut sûrement être très utile pour la communauté OSM de Montréal. Il est cependant important que de telles actions soient coordonnées par la communauté de Montréal et Il faudra éviter par exemple qu'un tel site soit sous le contrôle d'une seule personne. À noter que plusieurs rendez-vous ont été reportés au cours des derniers mois. Espérons que les quelques initiatives récentes vont déboucher sur une communauté plus organisée à Montréal. Il serait bon aussi de tenter à nouveau de réunir les contributeurs OSM et OSGeo-qc. Pierre -- *De :* Richard Weait rich...@weait.com *À :* Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.org *Cc :* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap talk-ca@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Lundi 17 juin 2013 12h22 *Objet :* Re: [Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap Montréal birthday party On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.org wrote: On 2013-06-13 21:20, Guillaume Pratte wrote: I am indeed on this list. I am also the author of osmtl.org (and its mirror site openstreetmap-montreal.org). I have created this web sites in order to easily communicate the OpenStreetMap activities I have organized up to now. It is a simple WordPress site, and I hope to put content on the site to the benefit of activities organized in Montreal. Thanks for clarifying this. Too bad this was done w/o consulting this list. On the contrary. Thank you, Guillaume, for seeing something that needed to be done, and then doing it. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap Montréal birthday party
Instead of pushing the date back maybe push it forward to beginning of August and why not hold the Montreal party same time as the Quebec City party? On 2013-06-15 8:05 AM, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-13 21:20, Guillaume Pratte wrote: Hello Fabian, I am indeed on this list. I am also the author of osmtl.org (and its mirror site openstreetmap-montreal.org). I have created this web sites in order to easily communicate the OpenStreetMap activities I have organized up to now. It is a simple WordPress site, and I hope to put content on the site to the benefit of activities organized in Montreal. Thanks for clarifying this. Too bad this was done w/o consulting this list. I got your off-list explanation of this, regarding the media opportunity and interview that provoked this, and I understand the context. It's not ideal, but I guess everything can't be. I still think consolidating to openstreetmap.ca should be the goal, we should work towards that, together, in public. Remember we have a bad context as it is of lack of transparency and private deals here in Montreal, we don't need more confusion. I would like to help with the organization of the Birthday party in August, but I would like to propose to move back the date by one week. I know of many persons interested in OSM that will be present at PyCon in the weekend of August 9-10, and I think there will be more people coming to the party if we hold it the weekend after. What do you think? I could not be there tonigth at the Geo 5 to 7, so I hope to catch another occasion to talk with you guys soon. Yes, I think that would be a better date, I had other comments about the date not being ideal either, on the Facebook group for example. I'll have more time for this during the week. F. Le 2013-06-13 à 02:17, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.org a écrit : On 2013-06-12 22:16, Immanuel Giulea wrote: There is now a website: http://www.osmtl.org/ Strange, thanks for that information. It also redirects to http://www.openstreetmap-montreal.org/ Immanuel and I met *today* at a local event (open data, Québec/Montréal ouvert), apparently the above was launched in public by Guillaume Pratte (who organized a couple of events recently and is on this list AFAIK). I suppose he put together that site, the events he organized lately are there, but there is no contact information. I wish we had know about this, IMO it would belong at openstreetmap.ca - also in light of the recent discussion about domains/website for OSM Canada. :( The picnic idea is great. We should involve the local group organizers. Yes, I suppose this means you're volunteering? :) I am meeting Immanuel tomorrow again at another local event, so we'll get back to the list with more details soon. Cheers, Fabian -- Fabián Rodríguez http://openstreetmap.magicfab.ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca - -- Fabián Rodríguez http://fsf.magicfab.ca -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG8WFYACgkQfUcTXFrypNU4lQCgmLZUhgxpk24+Q+bZsElW/qk+ K6oAn0gAkfQsWPuabgBtTM1gsjkmGnpI =/Zv3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap Montréal birthday party
There is now a website: http://www.osmtl.org/ The picnic idea is great. We should involve the local group organizers. Immanuel ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] OpenStreetMap birthday party (Immanuel Giulea)
I found three alternatives to Meetup.com: - http://groupspaces.com/ - http://giant-picnic.rhcloud.com/ - http://meetupedia.com/ I opened an account and plan to test them. Cheers! Immanuel On 2013-06-12 9:54 PM, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-10 10:41, Richard Weait wrote: Note : Je sais Meetup n'est pas une application libre, mais pour l'instant je n'ai pas trouvé d'alternative. Vos suggestions? You might try GroupSpaces? The Fredericton OpenStreetMap group has used GroupSpaces in past. Perhaps the organizers will offer their thoughts. http://groupspaces.com/FredOSM I think Diane was referring to Meetup.com not being based on free open source software. There are no usable alternatives at the moment, AFAIK, and GroupSpaces is not not free software either. F. - -- Fabián Rodríguez http://openstreetmap.magicfab.ca -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlG5Jh0ACgkQfUcTXFrypNUJEgCgwlOoHGQmBSe/PEBQK+N22rVY v2QAoJqhwaJWaEIVBY/m/CWdonv/9m/5 =kpcq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
