Re: [Talk-in] Local Chapter for India
On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 8:04:34 am Pradeep B V wrote: > > On Saturday 03 Oct 2009 1:30:49 pm Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > > > I'm sorry if this comes across as a little brazen, but most map users > > > > will > > > > > see no reason to use OSM over Google Maps. Pitching to them will be as > > > effective as converting Windows users to Linux. The effort has to be > > > with users who need raw data and can't work with pre-rendered tiles. > > > > OSM is not about map users, it is about map makers, so the analogy is not > > exactly correct. > > I believe that OSM is as much about map users as it is about map makers. If > there are are no users then what is the use of making the maps. > > Perhaps what Kiran meant to say may be to do with the absence of an OSM map > usage ecosystem which can bring in its own momentum and exposure to OSM and > the process of map making. actually I did not want to go at length into this as it would have diverted attention from the main issue. But if we concede that google has won as far as end users are concerned, then we might as well pack up our bags and vacate this space. Case to point - when I visited Mumbai recently, google map of my hotel was off by half a kilometer, and the places I wanted to visit were not on the google map at all. They weren't on the OSM map either - but the hotel and those places now are. But google remains the same. I have noticed that the users that I have got on to OSM tend to stick there as they have the power to contribute and add their own needs. And if we can get to work with Bhuvan imagery, google will be nowhere. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Local Chapter for India
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Saturday 03 Oct 2009 1:30:49 pm Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > > I'm sorry if this comes across as a little brazen, but most map users > will > > see no reason to use OSM over Google Maps. Pitching to them will be as > > effective as converting Windows users to Linux. The effort has to be with > > users who need raw data and can't work with pre-rendered tiles. > > OSM is not about map users, it is about map makers, so the analogy is not > exactly correct. > I believe that OSM is as much about map users as it is about map makers. If there are are no users then what is the use of making the maps. Perhaps what Kiran meant to say may be to do with the absence of an OSM map usage ecosystem which can bring in its own momentum and exposure to OSM and the process of map making. - P ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Local Chapter for India
On Saturday 03 Oct 2009 1:30:49 pm Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > > Oh! my bad, Kiran's post came in the same time as mine. > > Anyways nice set of plans and good proposal.However Four workshops in > > four regions.is that the plan? > > We have to sort that out before NLnet comes back asking about it -- and > even if they can't fund it, it'll help us when making a new funding pitch. > > I'd like to focus the effort on users with a strong incentive to work with > the data. > > I'm sorry if this comes across as a little brazen, but most map users will > see no reason to use OSM over Google Maps. Pitching to them will be as > effective as converting Windows users to Linux. The effort has to be with > users who need raw data and can't work with pre-rendered tiles. OSM is not about map users, it is about map makers, so the analogy is not exactly correct. > > We have a potential wave of converts among geography departments in > colleges across the country. If we can identify four of them to start with, > and fund mappers from the existing community to go work with them, we'll > have a good sense of whether this approach works. which other country which is an OSM power today goes around 'funding mappers from the existing community'. This whole approach of depending on foreign funds is b0rked. Anyone who can afford to map - meaning afford a GPS recorder, can also afford to work with people without being funded. OSM in India should not be an appendage of NGOs, or dependent on foreign funds. Experience has shown that such efforts dry up the moment the funds dry up. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Local Chapter for India
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Subhodip Biswas wrote: > Oh! my bad, Kiran's post came in the same time as mine. > Anyways nice set of plans and good proposal.However Four workshops in > four regions.is that the plan? > We have to sort that out before NLnet comes back asking about it -- and even if they can't fund it, it'll help us when making a new funding pitch. I'd like to focus the effort on users with a strong incentive to work with the data. I'm sorry if this comes across as a little brazen, but most map users will see no reason to use OSM over Google Maps. Pitching to them will be as effective as converting Windows users to Linux. The effort has to be with users who need raw data and can't work with pre-rendered tiles. We have a potential wave of converts among geography departments in colleges across the country. If we can identify four of them to start with, and fund mappers from the existing community to go work with them, we'll have a good sense of whether this approach works. Best, Kiran ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Local Chapter for India
On Saturday 03 Oct 2009 12:58:47 pm Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > what workshops? I am upto it as long as genuine mappers come forward to > > help > > do it. > > I posted a proposal to this list two days ago: dunno how I missed it - comments on the original -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Local Chapter for India
Oh! my bad, Kiran's post came in the same time as mine. Anyways nice set of plans and good proposal.However Four workshops in four regions.is that the plan? -- Regards Subhodip Biswas GPG key : FAEA34AB Server : pgp.mit.edu http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Local Chapter for India
>> Mikel reminded me of this again when I wrote to him about the workshops. We >> should do it. I'll have the bandwidth for it in late October when I start >> working on the Feb workshop series plans. Anyone else up to it? > Are there going to be another series of workshops like in feb 2008? > > ___ > Talk-in mailing list > Talk-in@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in > -- Regards Subhodip Biswas GPG key : FAEA34AB Server : pgp.mit.edu http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Local Chapter for India
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > what workshops? I am upto it as long as genuine mappers come forward to > help > do it. > I posted a proposal to this list two days ago: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > Hello all, > > I just applied to NLnet (http://nlnet.nl/) for funding for a round of > OpenStreetMap workshops in Feb 2010, in the line of the Feb 2008 workshops. > We will hear back in four weeks on whether we're getting the grant. > > I've made a wiki page for updates (nothing there yet): > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_India/Workshops/2010 > > Here's the proposal I sent NLnet: http://bit.ly/3iyC4i > And here's the budget: http://bit.ly/jza3l > > Due to the rather short notice -- I was referred to NLnet less than a week > ago and their funding deadline was today -- I was unable to consult this > list for advice, but did speak to Pradeep, Schuyler and Mikel. > > Pradeep hopes we'll be able to host an Indian edition of State of the Map, > so I mentioned that in the post-workshops roadmap. > > Comments appreciated. > ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Local Chapter for India
> > Mikel reminded me of this again when I wrote to him about the workshops. We > should do it. I'll have the bandwidth for it in late October when I start > working on the Feb workshop series plans. Anyone else up to it? Yep! I am in. -Nishant -- How about some patent on "(a+b)2 = a2+2ab+b2". Choose free software! http://www.nishants.net ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Local Chapter for India
On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Subhodip Biswas > wrote: >> >> Is there any process going on for a Local Chapter in India yet? >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters >> >> Would love to hear from the community. > > Mikel reminded me of this again when I wrote to him about the workshops. We > should do it. I'll have the bandwidth for it in late October when I start > working on the Feb workshop series plans. Anyone else up to it? This needs to be done! /me up for for it :) --Arindam ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Local Chapter for India
On Saturday 03 Oct 2009 1:17:05 am Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Subhodip Biswas > > wrote: > > Is there any process going on for a Local Chapter in India yet? > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters > > > > Would love to hear from the community. > > Mikel reminded me of this again when I wrote to him about the workshops. We > should do it. I'll have the bandwidth for it in late October when I start > working on the Feb workshop series plans. Anyone else up to it? what workshops? I am upto it as long as genuine mappers come forward to help do it. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
Re: [Talk-in] Local Chapter for India
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Subhodip Biswas wrote: > Is there any process going on for a Local Chapter in India yet? > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters > > Would love to hear from the community. Mikel reminded me of this again when I wrote to him about the workshops. We should do it. I'll have the bandwidth for it in late October when I start working on the Feb workshop series plans. Anyone else up to it? ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
[Talk-in] Local Chapter for India
Hi! Is there any process going on for a Local Chapter in India yet? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters Would love to hear from the community. -- Regards Subhodip Biswas GPG key : FAEA34AB Server : pgp.mit.edu http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com ___ Talk-in mailing list Talk-in@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-in
