Re: [talk-au] Transport for NSW (TfNSW)

[Warin]

Sydney driver-less trains Tallawong to Chatswood now 'running' (read public 
alpha testers) with a few teething problems.

I'll be staying away for a week to let things settle.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-26/sydney-metro-driverless-train-opens-but-delays-occur/11150794




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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Borne Michelin

[DH]

Le 25/05/2019 à 19:42, Jacques Foucry a écrit :

Le mercredi 08 mai 2019 à 12:31:42 (+0200), DH à écrit:

Le 08/05/2019 à 12:05, Jacques Foucry a écrit :

Bonjour,

Il y a pas loin de ma campagne une vieille borne Michelin d'indication
de direction.

Y a-t-il un intérêt à la signaler ? Si oui comment, si non je retourne me
coucher. :-)


Je partirai sur un
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:information=guidepost

(+ operator : Michelin, historic=yes)

Une photo pour Wikicommons serait probablement appréciée (ces bornes se
font rares)

Voici mon boulot :

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6499507758

J'ai mis des photos des 3 faces significatives sur wikimedia commons et
je suppose que pour ajouter un lien wikidata il faut que les robots de
ce dernier aient tourné.

j'ai essayé d'être le plus précis possible. Dites moi si j'ai fais des
connerie (disclaimer : oui, sans doute).
`


Bonsoir Jacques

Presque parfait (sinon c'est pas drôle). Le nom que tu proposes n'est 
pas un nom. Tout au plus une famille d'objet: c'est le rôle de 
guideposte d'indiquer cette information. la tag description complète 
très bien.


Ajouter tourism 
=information 



Quant à history, le wiki 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:history?uselang=fr indique qu'il 
faut lui préférer historic.


historic=milestone par exemple

Pour le wikidata, je passe mon tour. Mais la liste OSM a surement des 
indications ou des conseils à donner.


Bonne continuation

PS : désolé, j'aurais du répondre à la liste d'emblée

Denis




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[Talk-hr] kuće bez broja

[Michal Fabík]

Pozdrav,
možda ste primijetili da JOSM u zadnje vrijeme javlja 
addr:housenumber=bb kao warning jer kućni broj ne sadrži brojku. Izgleda 
da Mateusz Konieczny smatra da ovaj podatak uopšte ne treba da bude u 
mapi (ako sam dobro shvatio njegov komentar na njihovom Trac-u[1]). 
Pitao sam da li bi se moglo nešto uraditi oko toga i jedan od njihovih 
developera pita da li se u OSM zajednicama Ex-Yu zemalja ikad vodila 
neka diskusija na tu temu, kao da li 'bb' treba da bude navedeno u mapi 
kao kućni broj. Pretražio sam hrvatsku i srbijansku sekciju na OSM 
forumu kao i wiki projekte, ali izleda da nema ništa.


Je li možda nekad bilo nešto na talk-hr? Meni se to pitanje čini skroz 
suvišno jer addr:housenumber=bb odgovara stvarnoj upotrebi "na terenu" i 
ne vidim kako bi to moglo izazvati neki problem. Zašto onda ne i u OSM? 
Ali možda se neko bolje razumije...


Lijep pozdrav,


[1] https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/17486

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[Talk-at] Allgemeine Hilfestellung

[Herbert Allmeier]

Erst mal Danke für eure schnelle und detailreiche Antowort!

Ich hoffe ich mache das jetzt richtig so mit der Antwort. Ich habe einfach mal auf die letzte Mail geantwortet und hoffe, dass es thematisch unten angehägt wird.

 

Ich muss schon sagen, dass die Mailinglisten von der Übersicht her nicht wirklich leicht verdaulich sind (da sind mir Forenansichten deutlich lieber und somit gleich auch danke für den Link)

Wenn man noch ein extra Programm brauche, damit ich die Ansichten überhaupt angezeigt bekomme und sie sinnerfassend zusammenhängen kann hört sich das schon nach sehr viel drumherum an, welches in einem Forum einfach nicht nötigt ist. Wenn jemand eine eigene Mailingliste anlegt verstehe ich das total (es kommen wirklich sehr viele Mails!). Ich will aber nicht unbedingt einen zweiten Mailaccount nur für openstreetmap haben (ist mir schlicht zu aufwendig).

Bei so viel Aufwand, den man im Vergleich zu einem Forum betreiben muss, gibt es sicher Vorteile, oder?


 

Talk-de Abbo:

Ja, in die Mailingliste habe ich mich eingetragen. Ich habe sogar eine Bestätigungsmail bekommen in der ich auf einen Link klicken musste. Nach meinem Verständnis sollte es also funktionieren.

 

Einstellungen:

Die Einstellungen habe ich schon gefunden und durchgeschaut. Da es doch recht viele Mails sind würde ich fürs erste darauf zurück greifen mal das senden der Mails abzustellen bis ich mich besser auskenne. Soweit ich das verstanden habe brauche ich dann aber irgend einen Extraservice damit ich Mails an einen Thread zurückschicken kann. Geht das nicht irgendwie leichter?

 

Ich werde noch ein bisschen herumprobieren, will aber nicht die Mailingliste zuspammen.

 

Jedenfalls nochmals vielen Dank für eure zahlreiche Hilfe und die schnelle Antwort (Auf talk-de warte ich immer noch )-: )

 

mfg

Herbert

 


Gesendet: Montag, 20. Mai 2019 um 23:55 Uhr
Von: "Kevin Kofler" 
An: talk-at@openstreetmap.org
Betreff: Re: [Talk-at] Allgemeine Hilfestellung

PS:

> Nabble wurde bereits erwähnt. Ein fortgeschrittenerer Gateway ist Gmane,
> der den Zugriff über einen NNTP/Usenet-Newsreader ermöglicht. Dazu benutze
> ich (im Programm KNode) derzeit folgende Einstellungen:
> Server: news.gmane.org
> Port: 119
> Verschlüsselung: TLS (gemeint ist STARTTLS, wo der normale NNTP-Port 119
> verwendet wird und mit dem STARTTLS-Befehl die Verschlüsselung aktiviert
> wird – einen eigenen verschlüsselten Port gibt es auf Gmane seit ein paar
> Monaten nicht mehr, auf dem dafür vorgesehenen Port 563 ist nichts mehr).

Die dieser Mailingliste entsprechende Newsgroup habe ich noch vergessen:
Newsgroup: gmane.comp.gis.openstreetmap.region.at
(Die befindet sich in Newsreadern nämlich nicht in den Servereinstellungen,
sondern du mußt auf dem Server news.gmane.org eine oder mehrere Newsgroups
"abonnieren", um auf die entsprechenden Mailinglisten zuzugreifen. Die Mails
werden dir dadurch aber nicht ge-e-mailt, sondern dein Newsreader holt die
neuen Mails von Gmane ab, wenn du die "abonnierte" Newsgroup öffnest.)

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Kevin Kofler


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Re: [Talk-it] highway=residential con access=permissive

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 25. May 2019, at 09:03, Alfredo Gattai  wrote:
> 
> Inoltre penso che in caso di accesso limitato ai soli aventi diritto sia 
> meglio mapparlo con motor_vehicle=no perche' chi ha il permesso sa di averlo.


quando è richiesto un permesso individuale, il valore solitamente è “private”
Nel caso di strade di campagna aperte solo per i veicoli dei gestori dei fondi, 
si potrebbe utilizzare motor_vehicle=agricultural 


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[OSM-talk-fr] Josm traduction du wiki : images

[Leni]

Bonjour.

Je suis en train de mettre à jour la traduction de la page 
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Fr%3AHelp/Action/About

Les images sont par exemple : 
https://josm.openstreetmap.de/attachment/wiki/Fr%3AHelp/Action/About/AboutRevision_screenshot.png

Dans l'édition de la page il est indiqué 
[[Image(AboutRevision_screenshot.png,500)]]

Dans l'aide,  il est écrit : "Il est possible d’accéder à l’image de la page de 
base en anglais (ou toute autre page). Pour y accéder, utilisez le nom de la 
page comme domaine et placez un deux-points devant le nom du fichier : 
[[Image(Translations/Wiki:diff.png)]]"

En fin de compte je ne sais pas du tout comment faire techniquement :
- où mettre l'image qui se trouve sur mon ordi ?
- placer une nouvelle image sur une page ?
- remplacer une image existante par une autre plus récente ?


Ps : J'ai créé un framapad 
"https://semestriel.framapad.org/p/josmwikitraduction; pour ne pas être deux à 
traduire la même page :

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Re: [Talk-it] highway=residential con access=permissive

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 24. May 2019, at 19:43, Volker Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> O se si tratta di strade chiuse al traffico salvo residenti, sarebbe 
> vehicles=destination. Probabilmente ad eccezione di biciclette, cioè 
> bicycle=permissive (se l'accesso bici è tollerato) o bicycle=yes (se c'è un 
> cartello che esclude dal divieto le biciclette)


oppure motor_vehicle
in realtà “destination” è più permissivo di residenti, consente l’accesso a 
chiunque volesse andare a trovare i residenti e commercianti, include i 
visitatori, clienti, fornitori, ecc.

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Re: [Talk-uy] Abitab - is it amenity=payment_centre or amenity=bureau_de_change?

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Thanks to all for a response!

I applied change in
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/commit/216168fc633cf8cc501eb18fcc471a34e7e934d7
 

what will affect iD and Vespucci once both name-suggestion-index releases next 
version
and editors update to it

If it is wrong - please, let me know in this thread or by creating an issue at 
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/issues 


If someone is interested - you may add yourself as person with a local knowledge
willing answer questions like this at
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/issues/2588

24 May 2019, 19:35 by mural...@montevideo.com.uy:

> Yes, sure they all are amenity=payment_centre, but in some of them you can 
> also exchange money.
>

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Re: [talk-au] cuisine tag fitting amenity=fast_food name=Oporto

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Added in
https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/commit/1109ffd1fb3ff211af8ccd900beac1c76678c919
 


If something else would be preferable - please comment.

25 May 2019, 14:26 by andrew.harv...@gmail.com:

> cuisine=burger;chicken
>
> On Sat, 25 May 2019 at 01:47, Mateusz Konieczny <> matkoni...@tutanota.com 
> > > wrote:
>
>> Is there one that apply to every single location for this poi?
>>
>> What would be appropriate value for it?
>>

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Re: [Talk-it] highway=residential con access=permissive

[canfe]

La leggere regionale può cambiare certo, ma i tempi son sempre lunghi.
Ne so qualcosa: per far cambiare una LR ci ho messo del bel tempo.
Detto questo, mi pare la tua proposta valida, sarebbe bello poter mettere un
tag anche per la legge, cosicché, un domani la estendessero, ad esempio
anche alle bici, si possa 'estrarre' facilmente le strade interessate e
sottoporle ad un aggiornamento.



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Re: [Talk-it] highway=residential con access=permissive

[canfe]

No, penso che alcuni mappatori mettano permissive intendendo "che ci vuole un
permesso per passarci".



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[Talk-es] semanarioOSM Nº 461 2019-05-14-2019-05-20

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Hola, el semanario Nº 461, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

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[talk-latam] semanarioOSM Nº 461 2019-05-14-2019-05-20

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Hola, el semanario Nº 461, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
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[Talk-br] semanárioOSM Nº 461 2019-05-14-2019-05-20

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Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 461, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português* : http://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/12125/

Aproveite!

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[Talk-pt] semanárioOSM Nº 461 2019-05-14-2019-05-20

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Bom dia,

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[Talk-cl] semanarioOSM Nº 461 2019-05-14-2019-05-20

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Hola, el semanario Nº 461, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
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[OSM-co] semanarioOSM Nº 461 2019-05-14-2019-05-20

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Hola, el semanario Nº 461, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
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[Talk-cu] semanarioOSM Nº 461 2019-05-14-2019-05-20

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[Talk-ca] hebdoOSM Nº 461 2019-05-14-2019-05-20

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Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 461 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

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[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 461 2019-05-14-2019-05-20

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Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 461 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
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[Talk-ht] hebdoOSM Nº 461 2019-05-14-2019-05-20

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[Talk-us] weeklyOSM #461 2019-05-14-2019-05-20

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 461,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12125/

Enjoy! 

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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #461 2019-05-14-2019-05-20

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 461,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/12125/

Enjoy! 

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Re: [talk-au] cuisine tag fitting amenity=fast_food name=Oporto

[Andrew Harvey]

cuisine=burger;chicken

On Sat, 25 May 2019 at 01:47, Mateusz Konieczny 
wrote:

> Is there one that apply to every single location for this poi?
>
> What would be appropriate value for it?
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Re: [talk-cz] Is name=Automat na jizdenky MHD a good tagging?

[Majka]

I would completely remove the name, not move it to a the description.

There is a correct operator set, and the name or description doesn't really add 
anything new.
Additionally - this seems to be the typical "new user and iD" goof, where the 
new mapper is adding the operator, but iD implies it needs the name by putting 
it prominently up.
Just look at the history where it was added. 

25. května 2019 9:55:07 SELČ, "Michal Fabík"  napsal:
> a) 
>anything and everything can/should have a name, and b) names and 
>descriptions 

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Re: [talk-cz] Is name=Automat na jizdenky MHD a good tagging?

[Michal Fabík]

On 24/05/2019 23:25, Miroslav Suchý wrote:

In my opinion the name does not make a harm.


I can think of a couple of reasons why not to do it:

1) The "name" is quite long and in some renderers it takes up space that 
could otherwise be used for more useful names. It's even wrapped to two 
lines in OsmAnd, for instance. Yes, I know, tagging for the renderer 
etc., but I believe that considering the tagging is inherently wrong 
(it's a description, not a name), even this should be taken into account.


2) More importantly, I believe tagging like this only fuels the notion 
that seems to be pretty widespread with OSM beginners, namely that a) 
anything and everything can/should have a name, and b) names and 
descriptions are the same thing.  Granted, this isn't much of an issue 
in Czechia, which is both well mapped (so there isn't much opportunity 
to add new stuff) and well maintained (so the erroneous edits don't hold 
for too long), but some of the less developed parts of the OSM world are 
littered with "names" such as "school", "roundabout", "grocery store", 
"forest path" and similar. IMHO we shouldn't be setting an example like 
this if we can help it.


If it has to be specified what kind of tickets the machine sells and the 
operator=* tag isn't enough for some reason, we could specify a public 
transport network with the same network=* tag that's used with public 
transport route relations. If, somehow, even that weren't enough 
(although I can't think of a real world scenario like that), the vending 
machine node could be made a member of a specific route or maybe 
public_transport=stop_area relation.
Furthermore, the "MHD" in name=* (or description=* for that matter) 
won't mean much to non-Czech speakers anyway.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

[Warin]

Humm, warning, pedantic hat on...

If you  cannot determine what it is used for .. don't use the tag landuse.

For the presence of vegetation use the key 'natural' (it applies to both 
natural and unnatural things!) and if you have problems with that (like 
me with unnatural things being tagged 'natural) then use the landcover 
tag (unapproved).



On 25/05/19 16:06, Martin Wynne wrote:
Apart from the specialised tags such as "orchard" there appears to be 
only 2 tags available for general agricultural land:


farmland

which I have taken to mean arable land. i.e. land suitable for the 
growing of crops, even if currently used as pasture for grazing by 
livestock; and


meadow

which I have taken to mean other land which has no history of being 
used for crops, usually because it is unsuitable in some way -- too 
steep or uneven, liable to flooding ("water meadows"), poor soil, 
presence of too many trees, areas of scrub, poor drainage, etc. In 
many cases used only for sheep.


Here are a few pics of what I would tag as "meadow" even if not 
technically "unimproved grassland" or whatever is the proper 
definition of a meadow:


 http:/85a.uk/meadow1_960x640.jpg

 http:/85a.uk/meadow3_960x640.jpg

 http:/85a.uk/meadow4_960x640.jpg

 http:/85a.uk/meadow2_960x640.jpg

If "meadow" is not the correct tag, what is? Do we need a new tag? 
"farmland" doesn't seem right -- none of the above is going to become 
a field of potatoes any time soon.


landcover=grass (and I hate it, but for the rendering landuse=grass) for 
the landcover.


But to me that is landuse=farmland, surface=grass, product=? sheep? 
wool? wool;sheep?
Landuse=meadow is not something I'd use, rather than being a use of the 
land it is someone tagging what they see - a land cover.


As for the need to have a specific tag for this use of the land ... well 
there are vast differences between farm land used for grazing cattle in 
Australia e.g.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Cooplacurripa_Station%285%29.jpg/450px-Cooplacurripa_Station%285%29.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/01/Anna-Creek-homestead-1.JPG/405px-Anna-Creek-homestead-1.JPG

And the Anna Creek one will change with some rain.


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Re: [Talk-it] highway=residential con access=permissive

[Alfredo Gattai]

Conosco il caso Piemonte che e' simile ad altri. Direi che non e' corretto
mappare in base alla legge regionale che puo' cambiare e subire deroghe in
ogni momento. La regolamentazione deve essere mappata solo in presenza di
apposita segnaletica. Inoltre penso che in caso di accesso limitato ai soli
aventi diritto sia meglio mapparlo con motor_vehicle=no perche' chi ha il
permesso sa di averlo. Il tag serve a chi non conoscendo la zona possa
pianificare i suoi spostamenti tenendo conto che da quel punto deve
lasciare il mezzo. Ovviamente e' opinabile ma penso sia la scelta piu'
corretta.

Alfredo

Il Sab 25 Mag 2019, 08:45 Volker Schmidt  ha scritto:

> Per capirci. C'è una legge che in teoria limita l'accesso, ma in pratica
> tutti passano e succede niente. Per questo motivo metti access=permissive?
> Ma anche questo non è corretto, dovrebbe essere vehicles=permissive o
> motor_vehicle=permissive, perché pedoni e bici e cavalli (?) possono
> accedere, presumo.
>
> On Sat, 25 May 2019, 08:00 canfe,  wrote:
>
>> Vorrei collegarmi alla discussione con un caso simile.
>> In Piemonte (e so anche in altre regioni) c'è una legge regionale che
>> vieta
>> il transito ai mezzi motorizzati in certe strade di campagna. E' però
>> consentito ai proprietari dei fondi e per lavori agro silvo pastorali.
>> In genere son taggate appunto access=permissive, ma è corretto?
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] highway=residential con access=permissive

[Volker Schmidt]

Per capirci. C'è una legge che in teoria limita l'accesso, ma in pratica
tutti passano e succede niente. Per questo motivo metti access=permissive?
Ma anche questo non è corretto, dovrebbe essere vehicles=permissive o
motor_vehicle=permissive, perché pedoni e bici e cavalli (?) possono
accedere, presumo.

On Sat, 25 May 2019, 08:00 canfe,  wrote:

> Vorrei collegarmi alla discussione con un caso simile.
> In Piemonte (e so anche in altre regioni) c'è una legge regionale che vieta
> il transito ai mezzi motorizzati in certe strade di campagna. E' però
> consentito ai proprietari dei fondi e per lavori agro silvo pastorali.
> In genere son taggate appunto access=permissive, ma è corretto?
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Re: [Talk-GB] Farmland (crop or animals)?

[Martin Wynne]

Apart from the specialised tags such as "orchard" there appears to be 
only 2 tags available for general agricultural land:


farmland

which I have taken to mean arable land. i.e. land suitable for the 
growing of crops, even if currently used as pasture for grazing by 
livestock; and


meadow

which I have taken to mean other land which has no history of being used 
for crops, usually because it is unsuitable in some way -- too steep or 
uneven, liable to flooding ("water meadows"), poor soil, presence of too 
many trees, areas of scrub, poor drainage, etc. In many cases used only 
for sheep.


Here are a few pics of what I would tag as "meadow" even if not 
technically "unimproved grassland" or whatever is the proper definition 
of a meadow:


 http:/85a.uk/meadow1_960x640.jpg

 http:/85a.uk/meadow3_960x640.jpg

 http:/85a.uk/meadow4_960x640.jpg

 http:/85a.uk/meadow2_960x640.jpg

If "meadow" is not the correct tag, what is? Do we need a new tag? 
"farmland" doesn't seem right -- none of the above is going to become a 
field of potatoes any time soon.


In the last pic, the hedge clearly marks the boundary between "meadow" 
in the foreground and the fields of rapeseeed beyond. To use the same 
"farmland" tag for both wouldn't properly describe the landscape. But 
there are vast areas of OSM which are so described.


cheers,

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Re: [Talk-it] highway=residential con access=permissive

[canfe]

Vorrei collegarmi alla discussione con un caso simile.
In Piemonte (e so anche in altre regioni) c'è una legge regionale che vieta
il transito ai mezzi motorizzati in certe strade di campagna. E' però
consentito ai proprietari dei fondi e per lavori agro silvo pastorali.
In genere son taggate appunto access=permissive, ma è corretto?



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