Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Fwd: WiFi Hotspots in SA
Hi Michael, Nice idea! Some thoughts: * There are some existing open projects that specifically collect and share data of e.g. cellphone towers, wifi networks etc (in at attempt to offer an open alternative to Google location services, which keep wifi networks data locations private). * Check out: Mozilla Location Services <https://location.services.mozilla.com/>, Open WLAN Map <http://www.openwlanmap.org/?lang=en> (their map <http://owm.vreeken.net/map/> seems to have some data for South Africa already) etc. * Are your thoughts similar to what Wigle <https://wigle.net/> is doing? OpenStreetMap's mandate is to contain information about physically-visible things, so it's unlikely that wifi networks will every be incorporated into the dataset. I'm guessing you want to augment your own geo-located data with OSM as map backdrop? You should probably figure out how your app's interaction will be with OSM? One option is to do what, for example, OSMAND is doing - use the raw data dumps to render your own vector maps in your app. This is non-trivial, but enables an app to work without an internet connection. A simpler option is to use rendered OSM tiles as the "backdrop" to your own wifi map and app. At some point, the official OSM tile rendering servers might see this abuse (not sure.. Grant Slater should chip in here...) but it's not very difficult to set up your own "mirror" tile-rendering server - with the advantage that you also can control the styling and features included in the rendered map. If you are using web technologies to build your app, there are a ton of libraries (like leaflet <http://leafletjs.com/>) to render an interactive slippy map, adding your own layers. If you're writing a native app (e.g. Java, Android) there are similar libraries, but I have no experience with them. good luck! Dawid Loubser On 06/07/2016 11:38, Michael Graaf wrote: > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: *Michael Graaf* <graaf.mich...@gmail.com > <mailto:graaf.mich...@gmail.com>> > Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 > Subject: WiFi Hotspots in SA > To: "impo...@openstreetmap.org <mailto:impo...@openstreetmap.org>" > <impo...@openstreetmap.org <mailto:impo...@openstreetmap.org>>, > talk...@openstreetmaps.org <mailto:talk...@openstreetmaps.org> > > > Greetings all, > > I write on behalf of a team preparing to create an app (free as in > beer as well as in speech) which will help users find WiFi hotspots > and also review them or report new ones. We already have some > data-sets which appear to be public-domain, but these things keep > changing hence our intention to have real-time crowdsourcing. > > Initially we thought of using both Google Maps and OSM but on closer > investigation, discovered that above a minimal level of use, Google > API costs some dollars, so we discarded that idea. > > None of us has done this kind of thing before so we are hoping for > guidance and assistance. I found your addresses in the OSM Import > Guidelines page. > > yours in anticipation, > > Michael Graaf. > > > > ___ > Talk-ZA mailing list > Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] More JHB streets being renamed
On a non-OSM-note: This is totally absurd. I just finished reading a book on the history of Johannesburg, and those streets have such rich, non-Apartheid history. Such a middle finger to the people by the current government to totally disrespect that history, and perform costly re-naming, instead of improving infrastructure. I don't get to that area often any more, but if/when I do, I will be sure to keep an eye out. Thanks for the heads-up, Grant! Dawid On 20/09/2014 14:39, Grant Slater wrote: Hi OSM-ZA, More JHB streets being renamed: http://umhambi.blogspot.com/2014/09/south-africa-johannesburg-to-rename.html Anyone able to confirm if the street signs on-the-ground [1] have been changed yet? If so we should update OSM. Old names should be tagged old_name= [2] 1: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes#On_the_Ground_Rule 2: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Old_name Kind regards, Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] University of Pretoria mapping
Nice! I'm giving a guest lecture today to the Computer Science students, I'll definitely mention this also :-) On 14/09/2014 14:57, Grant Slater wrote: Hi Talk-ZA, New University of Pretoria students mappers are out mapping Pretoria Around 15 new mappers... http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-25.7545/28.2310 / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Mozambique Gas Pipeline
OpenStreetMap link or it didn't happen :-) But seriously - I know you've been looking at mapping pipelines for a while now, and I think it's awesome! -- Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com Op Di, 2013-12-03 om 22:35 + skryf Gerhardus Geldenhuis: Hi I have recently finished a first draft mapping effort of the gas pipeline between Secunda and Mozambique. You can view a diagram of this pipeline at http://www.itoworld.com/map/220?lon=31.67168lat=-26.63710zoom=7fullscreen=true If the link fails just go to: http://www.itoworld.com/map/220 and find South Africa. Regards -- Gerhardus Geldenhuis ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Mozambique Gas Pipeline
Just switch to the underground layer? Oh wait, that's in Sim City... I wonder if it makes sense for one of the other renderings (especially MapQuest's Transport Map) to indicate pipelines, dashed lines underground, solid lines overground. Pipes do, after all, transport stuff. -- Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com Op Wo, 2013-12-04 om 08:44 + skryf Gerhardus Geldenhuis: OSM does not visualize pipelines marked as underground. The link I send should also show some new water pipelines which is linked by a river inbetween. The oil pipeline from Durbs which Grant did and I slightly extended is also visible on there. More pipelines to follow. I've got reliable information about the pipeline to and from Alrode. I have also tagged most of the fuel depots. Regards On 4 Dec 2013 08:35, Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com wrote: OpenStreetMap link or it didn't happen :-) But seriously - I know you've been looking at mapping pipelines for a while now, and I think it's awesome! ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gautrain Bus Mapping
Nice work in the Midrand area, John! The Gautrain Bus Route is really looking swell overall (Six months ago there was barely anything). With regards to the order of the stops in the relation, I am afraid iD (in-browser editor) is a little bit limited - the only way that I am aware of, is to add the stops to the relation in chronological order - the order seems to be maintained. To view the order of the items in the relation, just open the relation for editing, and in the left-hand toolbar, scroll down to where the members are listed - you will see all members (in order). Otherwise, check out the JOSM editor for finer-grained editing tasks like these. Happy mapping! (or do we say Merry Mapping this time of year...?) -- Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com Op Do, 2013-11-21 om 06:37 +0200 skryf John: Thanks Grant, 1) I really like the live map. I have been looking for a browser based map showing live buses!! I am sitting on the bus now and it is accurate including buses going in the opposite direction. Sometimes it is less good but then GT buddy and the official GT app show the same lack of data. Slight glitch is that update times are exactly two hours fast when clicking on a bus. Pretty obvious what they should be so no problem. 2) A question: the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Routes#Public_transport_routes states The order of the members in the relation should identical to the order in the timetable. for stops. I am using the standard browser editor (potlach successor) and am not sure how to check and edit the order of the stops. Can anyone help? 3) Finally I added some bus platforms at Midrand. Not sure if that works for other stations? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=-25.99528mlon=28.13624#map=18/-25.99528/28.13624layers=T (Name rendering slightly out on transport maps) Regards, John On 7 November 2013 13:03, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Hi Talk-ZA, A few of us (DawidLoubser, Gerhardus Geldenhuis, johng likely others) have recently added all the Gautrain Bus routes. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Africa/Public_transport_routes#Gautrain_Bus I have hacked together a live map for viewing buses on the routes (zoom in): http://firefishy.com/tmp/bus/ It also shows all the bus stops mapped with operator=Gautrain Bus Please help map the remaining bus stops :) Or check to see if the bus routes are correct. The Hatfield routes do not exactly match the published route map at the start (stops are identical), the routes used seem to be optimised. Another map for viewing bus routes is http://openbusmap.org/ but it hasn't yet updated with all the routes. Anyone know why the buses occasionally run through the night? Training or something? Normal hours are ~5am to ~9pm. Kind regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za -- John Grant +27 82 686 2828 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Nkandla on OpenStreetMap
How poignant after the recent attempts of the ANC to hide information about this disgrace. Thanks for that, Grant! I see somebody has already started with some nice micromapping of the buildings, helipads etc Information wants to be free. -- Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com Op Do, 2013-11-21 om 21:49 + skryf Grant Slater: Hi Talk-ZA, The location of the Nkandla homestead is difficult to find, so I've added it to OpenStreetMap: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2539583622 Aerial imagery before major construction: http://aerial.openstreetmap.org.za/?zoom=17lat=-28.84371lon=31.0988 Bing aerial imagery is more recent and has the homestead improvements under construction: http://binged.it/1bVzaPX PS: I'm 95% sure I have the correct location ;-) Happy mapping Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gautrain Bus Mapping
Copyright law cannot prohibit the manual reconstruction of publically-available information any more than what it can control an internet search engine like https://www.duckduckgo.com from indexing and serving that information when you do a web search. There is, consequently, no legal problem at all in looking at information on e.g. the official Gautrain bus map, and updating OpenStreetMap based on this. Gerhardus' method is more in the spirit of OpenStreetMap though - as OSM frowns upon the copying of information from commercial or proprietary sources. Ultimately - nobody will even know: there is no legalistically-distinguishable difference between adding something because you were there, vs adding something because you saw it on another map. (Obviously you should only add things to the map that you have verified actually exists.) When I added the gautrain bus routes that I have actually travelled on, I still used the official gautrain bus map as a reference: to correlate the positioning and get the metadata (stop numbers, etc). Nobody can prove which one I used more though - their map, or my on-the-ground observation. I wouldn't worry too much. Grant needs to worry more, now that he's added a state secret (Nkandla) to the map :-) -- Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com Op Do, 2013-11-21 om 20:46 + skryf Gerhardus Geldenhuis: Well ideally you should travel with GPS in hand and map the stops. That way there is not licensing dispute at all and where the busses stop is public knowledge that you have recorded in OSM. Regards On 21 November 2013 19:08, John john@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the feedback. I probably need to try JOSM again. How about copy right? Can we use from the published Gautrain maps as source? In the case of public transport surely it is public domain?? We always come back to this, apologies, but it does seem a bit different with a public transport vs propriety. We are after all not copying the map, simply the stops and the route?? Alternatively do we ask permission? Regards, John On 21 November 2013 10:25, Gerhardus Geldenhuis gerhardus.geldenh...@gmail.com wrote: Just echoing Dawid, JOSM will be your friend for relational editing if you not already using it. Regards On 21 November 2013 08:18, Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com wrote: Nice work in the Midrand area, John! The Gautrain Bus Route is really looking swell overall (Six months ago there was barely anything). With regards to the order of the stops in the relation, I am afraid iD (in-browser editor) is a little bit limited - the only way that I am aware of, is to add the stops to the relation in chronological order - the order seems to be maintained. To view the order of the items in the relation, just open the relation for editing, and in the left-hand toolbar, scroll down to where the members are listed - you will see all members (in order). Otherwise, check out the JOSM editor for finer-grained editing tasks like these. Happy mapping! (or do we say Merry Mapping this time of year...?) ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gautrain Bus Mapping
Thanks to those of you who have added bus routes! (it's quite time-consuming to say the least - especially adding the stops correctly) Route S3 (Rivonia) also shows the stops and (what I hope to be) correct tagging: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-26.0561/28.0651layers=T Interestingly, I have tried to adhere to the new public transport schema of 2011 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_Transport), where the stop position is indicated on the route (which is semantially correct), as opposed to just relying on tags on the bus stop amenity (node) itself. However, the transport map does not seem to render these correctly, so in addition to the cleaner new tagging scheme, I've adhered to the more traditional way of marking bus stops. Once it is supported though, the different stops (and their numbers etc) should be correctly represented. Finally, if you've added a Gautrain bus map route, please add it to the Gautrain bus route master, which ties together all the bus routes. Again, see S3 Rivonia as an example... (none of the other routes have been added at this stage). Finally, grant, the real-time bus map is awesome! Any further discussions with Gautrain in terms of obtaining an 'official' data feed? -- Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com Op Do, 2013-11-07 om 12:18 + skryf Gerhardus Geldenhuis: Thanks Grant, Route J1 and J2 should be good examples for all of the tags needed if you want to have the stops and routes display on all the maps. Regards On 7 November 2013 11:03, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Hi Talk-ZA, A few of us (DawidLoubser, Gerhardus Geldenhuis, johng likely others) have recently added all the Gautrain Bus routes. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_South_Africa/Public_transport_routes#Gautrain_Bus I have hacked together a live map for viewing buses on the routes (zoom in): http://firefishy.com/tmp/bus/ It also shows all the bus stops mapped with operator=Gautrain Bus Please help map the remaining bus stops :) Or check to see if the bus routes are correct. The Hatfield routes do not exactly match the published route map at the start (stops are identical), the routes used seem to be optimised. Another map for viewing bus routes is http://openbusmap.org/ but it hasn't yet updated with all the routes. Anyone know why the buses occasionally run through the night? Training or something? Normal hours are ~5am to ~9pm. Kind regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za -- Gerhardus Geldenhuis ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] stop emails
Dear stryd...@iafrica.com ☺ As per the footer in all the mails: To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-za-requ...@openstreetmap.org Sorry to see you leave - Dawid Op Do, 2013-11-07 om 14:41 +0200 skryf iafrica: - Original Message - From: talk-za-requ...@openstreetmap.org To: talk-za@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 2:00 PM Subject: Talk-ZA Digest, Vol 157, Issue 3 Send Talk-ZA mailing list submissions to talk-za@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-za-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-za-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-ZA digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Name does not on display on view map using Id (John) 2. Re: Name does not on display on view map using Id (Kieron Thwaites) 3. Gautrain Bus Mapping (Grant Slater) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:46:28 +0200 From: John john@gmail.com To: General discussion for South African users talk-za@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Name does not on display on view map using Id Message-ID: calvazwfyesleqnvtzhwa1ye3163l-rcbnk7ndqkbtu6cuck...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Your browser may also be caching or a local proxy. On firefox for example I found this for updating the cache: Reload web page(s) and bypass the cache to refresh possibly outdated or corrupted files. - Press and hold Shift and left-click the Reload button. - Press Ctrl + F5 or press Ctrl + Shift + R (Windows,Linux) - Press Command + Shift + R (MAC) Regards, John On 4 November 2013 14:23, Norman Woodward norman...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Grant I did not realise it took so long. I think it's be over a week since I added the town name for Mossel Bay. After your refresh I am still getting some of the zoomed out tiles not having the name. I presume it will still take a awhile for the tiles to be propagated. I see you added the population (60,000). Where does one get that type of info? I would also like to add the sagns_id as well. Norman -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-za/attachments/20131106/02adaddf/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:53:06 +0200 From: Kieron Thwaites kieron.thwai...@gmail.com To: General discussion for South African users talk-za@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Name does not on display on view map using Id Message-ID: CAFhvcx0YEtf2pC679Y+i=0psx3epuriqxhp2zjdpoo-rfn1...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That said, it depends on which cache has the longer cache time: the browser or local proxy cache, or the OSM server cache. It seems (from my own experience, at least!) that it's more likely to be local if zoomed in, and more likely to be the OSM renderer cache if zoomed out. (: --K On 6 November 2013 15:46, John john@gmail.com wrote: Your browser may also be caching or a local proxy. On firefox for example I found this for updating the cache: Reload web page(s) and bypass the cache to refresh possibly outdated or corrupted files. Press and hold Shift and left-click the Reload button. Press Ctrl + F5 or press Ctrl + Shift + R (Windows,Linux) Press Command + Shift + R (MAC) Regards, John On 4 November 2013 14:23, Norman Woodward norman...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Grant I did not realise it took so long. I think it's be over a week since I added the town name for Mossel Bay. After your refresh I am still getting some of the zoomed out tiles not having the name. I presume it will still take a awhile for the tiles to be propagated. I see you added the population (60,000). Where does one get that type of info? I would also like to add the sagns_id as well. Norman ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za -- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:03:23 + From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com To: Openstreetmap ZA talk-za@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gautrain Bus Mapping Message-ID: cagxuowgxyegibftjtexatqw_ruz+cw_9rkdraivpkbdqtyw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain;
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Gautrain Bus Mapping
Thanks for clarifying, Grant. By this logic, the Gautrain bus master route relation is then definitely not the correct usage of the tag. I think it should be removed, and only used for *variants* of the same route, as stated before (i.e. different day / night routes or stops, or weekday vs weekend, etc) We should be consistent in the operator tagging of the bus routes then. Do we use Gautrain or Gautrain Bus ? Though I myself used Gautrain Bus based on previous examples, I am leaning strongly towards just Gautrain (the name of the company - there isn't a publicly-mentioned, separate bus division or anything like that.) If you guys agree, we should all update our routes to just state Gautrain - and use the same tag across the rail and bus routes. kind regards, Dawid Op Do, 2013-11-07 om 15:48 + skryf Grant Slater: On 7 November 2013 14:53, Gerhardus Geldenhuis gerhardus.geldenh...@gmail.com wrote: A relation that contains all of the Gautrain routes is arguably valid but I think stretches the intended usage a little bit. So where do you draw the line? You could then also have a relation that contained all of the bus routes in Gauteng or even the whole of South Africa, or a relation for all N and M highways. Using relations for collections is generally frowned upon... * OK: relation for ways which make-up a dedicated route. * NOT-OK: relation for all metrorail routes in Eastern Cape. Querying overpass api (or XAPI etc) based on tags is a much better solution. Example: all metrorail routes in Eastern Cape: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1qO Regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Name does not on display on view map using Id
That's funny Grant - I always thought that the zoomed-out tiles updated first, and that it took ages for the detailed tiles to update :-) I'm sure it was that way a couple of years ago - has the processing order changed? Or am I mistaken? Did you force them by simply appending a /dirty to the tile URL? e.g. http://b.tile.openstreetmap.org/10/574/615.png/dirty (this seemed to work, by the way - on the above tile that did not yet contain the mossel bay wording before I forced re-rendering) So, it seems this is just a delay in re-rendering. For the benefit of other list members, the trick to force a re-render is then: * On the slippy map in the browser, right-click on the spot and copy image url or view background image or whatever your browser says. * It'll return a URL like http://b.tile.openstreetmap.org/10/574/615.png (single tile) * Append /dirty to submit for re-rendering (and others like /status to see when it was last updated etc) -- Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com Op Ma, 2013-11-04 om 11:05 + skryf Grant Slater: Hi Norman, The data looks good. I think the issue is the zoomed-out rendering can take ages to update. I have forced an update and seems to be displaying now. I also added a few helpful tags to the place node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/250490 name:af = Mosselbaai (So that Afrikaans maps can render the correct name) population = 6 (helps in order ranking) website = http://www.mosselbaymun.co.za/ (useful) wikipedia = en:Mossel Bay (Helps in ranking and Nominatim uses it for search ordering) PS: Mossel Bay mapping looks great. Kind regards Grant On 4 November 2013 10:04, Norman Woodward norman...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I was wandering if anyone knows why the town name of Mossel Bay does not appear on the following display http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=11/-34.0987/22.2569 I added the tag town=name=Mossel Bay. It shows when you are in edit mode of the map. The one difference that I can see is that the name does not appear on the rendered 'base' map. Other towns which do display have there names rendered on the 'base' map. Please forgive my rudimentary use of terms. I have only started in the last few months to contribute. Norman ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] New OSM GPS Trace Map
Marvellous, thanks for the amazing work Grant! This will greatly assist in mapping in iD. I was wondering - is there any way to, in - say the iD editor - obtain more information about the GPX traces? And is there any way to see the waypoints / information about the waypoints? The waypoints often contain very useful context information. -- Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com Op Vr, 2013-10-25 om 10:54 +0100 skryf Grant Slater: Talk-ZA, OSM now has a new GPS trace map... Available as an overlay layer in the iD editor... (and likely JOSM soon) It can be viewed outside of the iD editor here: http://bl.ocks.org/ericfischer/raw/713d24985c9a4a085629/#6/-28.4/22.5 The traces are coloured by direction: Eastbound movement in red, westbound in cyan, northbound in yellow, and southbound in violet. Mapbox who wrote the code blogged about the new map here: https://www.mapbox.com/blog/openstreetmap-gps-layer/ I setup the hardware. HP DL360 G6 ;-) Regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] New OSM GPS Trace Map
...which isn't a problem per se, just not very cloud-like :-) It's nice to upload from my android device straight to OSM, and then use them straight in the editor. Especially when you spend a couple of minutes every day to add to the map. Dawid Op Vr, 2013-10-25 om 15:22 +0200 skryf David Richfield: Oh, right, it has to be on the local computer - you'd have to download again. On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com wrote: I thought that only works with locally-loaded GPX files. Can JOSM access my uploaded-to-OSM traces, and see their waypoints / notes? Dawid signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] http://aerial.openstreetmap.org.za/ now seamless
Excellent news Grant, thank you for the wonderful work you do. To get updated (more recent) imagery in would be the icing on the cake. How often do they perform aerial surveys? -- Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com Op So, 2013-10-13 om 15:50 +0100 skryf Grant Slater: Talk-ZA, http://aerial.openstreetmap.org.za/ imagery (available in iD, Potlatch2 JOSM) is now seamless. No ugly black strips while zoomed out. Happy to describe setup if anyone is interested. (gdal vrt, gdalwarp, mapserver...) Gerhardus Geldenhuis also recently popped into CD:NGI in Cape Town and has collected updated imagery. I hope to get this online soon. Kind regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] http://aerial.openstreetmap.org.za/ now seamless
That's much more often than what I thought - quite impressive :-) There is so much construction activity occurring around South Africa at this time, updated imagery to trace from will be most welcome. I'm beginning to find places almost weekly where the existing aerial imagery is quite out of date with the reality on the ground… -- Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com Op Ma, 2013-10-14 om 10:14 +0100 skryf Grant Slater: Hi, On 14 October 2013 09:32, Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com wrote: Excellent news Grant, thank you for the wonderful work you do. To get updated (more recent) imagery in would be the icing on the cake. :) How often do they perform aerial surveys? At as guess, approximately 20% of South Africa is updated per year. / Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Cadastral information
Hi Lance, Any links to the terms of the copyright? And if needs be, let's enter into such an agreement with the Surveyor-General! I see no conceptual difference in manually copying (tracing by hand) information that is effectively in the public domain in South Africa, versus programatically tracing them (i.e. converting the data for direct upload). With our country's liberal open data policies, I am sure an amicable agreement could be entered into - but first, I would actually like to understand the limitations that state copyright imposes for myself. Having the cadastral information for South Africa missing from OpenStreetMap is the primary area where Google Maps has us beat. If we can get this in, it will transform the ability of this map to power truly useful navigational software, and simply take the map to another level. In my personal opinion, there can be no greater goal than this at this time! My programmer's hands are willing and able to assist where and if necessary, and I know that Norman would be more than willing to get in touch with the right people if some sort of agreement is required (somewhat a speciality of his :-) I can barely contain my excitement for the prospect of getting this data into OSM. kind regards, -- DAWID LOUBSER Systems Architect - Travellinck International Johannesburg, South Africa --- mailto:da...@travellinck.com (E-Mail) tel:+27-82-655-0876 (Mobile) http://www.travellinck.com(Web) xmpp:dawid.loub...@jabber.me (Jabber) xmpp:dawid.loub...@gmail.com (Google Talk, deprecated) skype:dawid.loubser (Skype) --- Op Di, 2013-10-01 om 17:54 +0200 skryf Lance Burger: Copyright. The information is subject to state copyright. The OSM Foundation has an agreement with the Chief Directorate: National Geo-Spatial Information to use their data (which is also subject to state copyright), but that does not include data held by other departments, such as the Surveyor-General. Unless a similar agreement is entered into with the Surveyor-General you cannot use the data. Lance Burger On 01/10/2013 17:24, Norman Woodward wrote: I live in the district of Mossel Bay. I obtained from the local council the cadastral erf co-ordinates and erf numbers, which I am told comes from general surveys office. I would like to convert the gps data to a layer, which would mean that the data layer now only containing the streets would also contain the drawn layout of all the erf's. My question is that I can not see that anyone else has done it and wonder why? ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Using umap for Wiki Loves Monuments
This is quite topical - just last week I did detail mapping of the South African Air Force Memorial after a visit, here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/-25.79913/28.16852 However, this is not a 'heritage object' according to SAHRA, so there is no ref. So just a little reminder - many monuments and memorials don't seem to feature in SAHRA's list. P.S. Golden opportunity for somebody to do some nice detail mapping of the Voortrekker monument (the building and grounds), it's quite 'bare' at the moment: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-25.77578/28.17673 Happy mapping all! -- Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com Op Ma, 2013-09-30 om 02:46 +0100 skryf Grant Slater: I raise you one... I have been adding the SAHRA (national monuments) directly into OpenStreetMap... Sample so far: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/18R I am using tag: sahra = *sahra ref number* Others welcome to join in. / Grant On 11 September 2013 15:31, David Richfield davidrichfi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've put the coordinates of the SA Heritage sites that we got from SAHRA onto this map: http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/wlm_za_1657 I know how to import data into the map, but if users fix the map, how can I get the data back out? Is there a way? Thanks, David -- David Richfield [[:en:User:Slashme]] +27718539985 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] Administrative regions of Johannesburg?
Hi all, Johannesburg is split into several administrative regions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_Johannesburg I can't find any of these in OSM. I think it would be a great idea to add them, as well as a relation for each region so as to associate various elements to do with service delivery (hospitals, clinics, police stations, etc) with them. If somebody could confirm that they are, in fact, absent (I might just be missing them) - does anybody have access to the correct geometry for these regions, or do we just add them in by hand? kind regards, -- Dawid Loubser da...@travellinck.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Overpass
Grant, that is phenomenally useful and cool, thanks for sharing! -- DAWID LOUBSER Systems Architect - Travellinck International http://www.travellinck.com(World Wide Web) mailto:da...@travellinck.com (E-Mail) xmpp:dawid.loub...@gmail.com (Google Talk) skype:dawid.loubser (Skype) On Fri, 2013-06-21 at 14:55 +0100, Grant Slater wrote: Talk-ZA, Others might find this useful... Overpass is a fantastic service for querying OSM data: Example: Find all the hospitals in the Western Cape http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/or or All the schools... http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/ov Regards Grant ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] associatedStreet relation vs Nodes with addr:street
Hi all, There appear to be several conventions in use when it comes to mapping street addresses. Some people create 'associatedStreet' relations, to which both the street, and the houses in the street, belongs. In this scheme, each house has a addr:houseNumber property. Others (and this in well-mapped areas, like London) don't create such relations, and instead simply place nodes - each with an addr:street and addr:houseNumber. What should we prefer for our mapping efforts in South Africa? Obviously, it should be in line with what address searching / routing software deals with best. And also (more importantly), there was talk earlier of potentially obtaining the street numbers data from South African government data. This would be *much* more efficient than our feeble manual efforts (the state of OpenStreetMaps for South Africa is mostly in a very sparse state - I am dedicating half an hour per day to fix up the areas that I know). thanks! -- DAWID LOUBSER Systems Architect - Travellinck International http://www.travellinck.com(World Wide Web) tel:+27-82-655-0876 (Mobile phone) mailto:da...@travellinck.com (E-Mail) xmpp:dawid.loub...@gmail.com (Google Talk) skype:dawid.loubser (Skype) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Download OSM map of KZN
Hi, I am not aware of any offline apps that allow you to populate them, with a subset of the world raw data set, which can then render a map for you. But this is what you would be looking for. If you are very technically proficient, you could run your own map server on your local machine (Mapnik renderer, Apache web server + mod_tile, PostGIS database, and a downloaded subset of the raw data) but this is quite a bit of effort for weekend driving :-) I'd really recommend you just use it online (we are, after all, in 2012) - your smartphone or (better yet) tablet makes a nifty map viewer - unless you're up for the challenge of hosting your own map server as per above. Dawid Loubser Travellinck International On 28 Mar 2012, at 10:58 AM, William Walter Kinghorn wrote: Hi Tomas, I want to be able to view the data offline ( possibly raw data ) I like to take drives on weekends, to see new places So having an offline map, on my laptop, I can look at alternate routes, and also places to see I am from Durban, driving anywhere in KZN should not take much more than 3 hrs, which is perfect for a day of driving and site seeing William From: Tomas Straupis [tomasstrau...@gmail.com] Sent: 28 March 2012 09:52 To: talk-za@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Download OSM map of KZN Hello 2012 m. kovas 28 d. 08:58, William Walter Kinghorn wrote: Where can I download OSM map of KZN What do you mean by OSM map? Raw data? Some product created from raw data (say garmin map, printable map etc.)? And what do you suggest I need to Display/Use the Data What do you want to do with the data? -- Tomas Straupis ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za This e-mail is subject to our Disclaimer, to view click http://www.dut.ac.za/pages/22414 ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
Re: [OSM-Talk-ZA] Unpaved roads in Kruger
Hi Tomas, I think there are only two members of this mailing list - you... and I... :-) I am afraid I don't really have insight to offer regarding your question. I do think what you are proposing seems plausible, why not give it a try? (this is like Wikipedia, after all - everybody can have a go) regards, DAWID LOUBSER Systems Architect Travellinck +27 (011) 236-4901 (ext 219) da...@travellinck.com http://www.travellinck.com/ On 02 Dec 2011, at 3:58 PM, Tomas Straupis wrote: Hello Haven't found anything relevant therefore I will try asking here. In Kruger park main paved roads are marked as secondary, while unpaved ones (still the official ones with public access and marked in official Kruger park maps) are marked as tracks. I would usually expect tracks to be non official roads which appear because of usage and those would usually be just two paths/tracks. In Kruger those are much more than that (they are maintained, it is easy in most places to fit two cars). Question: is marking of such roads as highway=track ok or it would be possible to change them to something of a higher classification (say highway=unclassified/tertiary surface=unpaved)? P.S. As an additional benefit (I'm not proposing to mark for renderers) those roads would be visible in a higher zoom. -- Tomas Straupis ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
[OSM-Talk-ZA] South African Suburbs?
Good afternoon, First post on this list! I have a question: In analysing the OpenStreetmap data for South Africa, it appears as if only the central points of Suburbs exist, and not the polygons (boundaries). Am I missing something? Any idea how we can get the suburbs polygons for South Africa into OSM? kind regards, Dawid ___ Talk-ZA mailing list Talk-ZA@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-za
