Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta

[John Bryant]

I'm a Perth cyclist and I occasionally use www.opencyclemap.org when I'm
planning a ride through an unfamiliar area. I think the bicycle routes in
question are what's shown there but I'm not 100% sure. Anyway I've found
them pretty useful on occasion.

I also occasionally use the signage to find better cycling routes. It's not
perfect but it's often a useful way to get yourself off a busy road.

Anyway I'm not totally convinced one way or the other regarding the
removal, but just wanted to offer the perspective of a (very) occasional
user of that data. A mass deletion seems a bit heavy handed to me.

Cheers
John

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 09:01, Luke Stewart 
wrote:

> With their reasons for deletion:
>
> "largely they are fragmented, and consist of riding on roads without any
> dedicated infrastructure" - this is representative of routes across
> Australia; many routes in Sydney are like this and area just sharrows,
> however as they are still signposted they are mapped as routes.
>
> "the signage has not been maintained, and maintenance is the
> responsibility of the respective local government authority ... signage has
> been maintained ad-hoc" - this may be the case however councils likely
> maintain a list/map of routes (at least thats how it works in NSW). Signage
> is also not always maintained properly in my experience.
>
> "if you live in Perth, I seriously doubt you would have ever used these
> routes for navigation, nor would you have ever purposefully ridden by the
> route, instead of taking a more direct or safer route option as to on road
> cycling." - they are still routes nonetheless, often times I find myself
> following or deviating from a route at will however that does not change
> the fact that they are routes and infrastructure is generally designed to
> cater for these routes.
>
> "The routes are circuitous" - see above
>
> "The OSM information has not been maintained to reflect changes, and the
> OSM application of the routes were not consistent" - in this case then
> routes should be reviewed and updated where necessary, but I do not think
> that outright deletion is warranted
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 02:14,  wrote:
>
>> Well, he has answered a changeset comment:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116656873
>>
>> I'll leave it to the WA OSM community if that's a valid reason to simply
>> delete a whole bunch of routes for which there definitely are signs on the
>> ground, and what to do about it.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael Collinson 
>> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 17:36
>> To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
>> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
>> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
>>
>> Seems to have it in for Perth cyclists:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116655265#map=12/-32.0362/115.8349
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/117224600
>>
>> Not from Perth so can't judge correctness but it doesn't look right.
>>
>>
>> On 2022-02-10 18:13, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
>> >
>> > Probably
>> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta
>> >
>> >  Who is Aaronsta?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Is it anyone participating in this mailing list?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Have any of these changes been discussed somewhere?
>> >>
>> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_Tagging_G
>> >> uidelines
>> >> > >> Guidelines=revision=2262794=2250661>
>> >> =revision=2262794=2250661 (ignore the street cabinet
>> >> stuff at the bottom, that’s from someone else)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Thorsten
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
>> >> Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2022 08:41
>> >> To: OSM-Au 
>> >> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging
>> >> Guidelines has been changed by Aaronsta
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, 9 Feb 2022 at 22:35, OpenStreetMap Wiki
>> >> > >>  > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The OpenStreetMap Wiki page Australian Tagging Guidelines has been
>> >> changed on 9 February 2022 by Aaronsta, see
>> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines for
>> >> the current revision.
>> >>
>> >> Editor's summary: Fix undiscussed changes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sorry but that's a bit ironic, or did I miss the discussion about
>> >> these changes?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> One I noticed is that you've taken it upon yourself to include:
>> >>
>> >> "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW, QLD, or Vic."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Would you like to share this with Qld Transport?
>> >>
>> >> https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/rules/wheeled-devices/bicycle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Riding on a footpath or shared path
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On footpaths and shared paths, you share the space with pedestrians.
>> >>
>> >> You 

Re: [talk-au] Asia Pacific Map and Chat Hour

[John Bryant]

Hi Yuchen, sorry for the slow reply. Yes, you can register by email, I'll
forward your info to the organisers and they can get in touch with you.

Cheers!
John

On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 at 21:08, Yuchen Pei  wrote:

> John Bryant  writes:
>
> > Hi all, there is a mapping event coming up next Friday 27
> > August, hosted by
> > the HOTOSM Team Open Mapping Hub - Asia Pacific. See the OSM
> > Wiki Page
> > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Asia_Pacific_Map_and_Chat_Hour>
> > for
> > details.
> >
> > Registration: https://bit.ly/map_and_chat_hour_reg
>
> Thanks, this looks fun!  Just wondering if there's any way to
> register without using Google Form?  Would it be possible for
> example to register by email?
>
> >
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[talk-au] Nominations - OSGeo Oceania board election

[John Bryant]

Hi,

I've nominated a few members of the Oceania open geospatial community for
election to the OSGeo Oceania board. These people have made outstanding
contributions to this community over the last few years, and I believe they
are ready to step up and provide the leadership the organisation needs to
serve this community well.

These are the people I've nominated:
*Edwin Liava'a (Tonga & Brisbane, Australia)*
*Nemaia Koto (Suva, Fiji)*
*Elisa Puccioni (Wellington, NZ)*
*Edoardo Neerhut (Melbourne, Australia)*
*Jonah Sullivan (Canberra, Australia)*
*Carrol Chan (Suva, Fiji)*

You can see the details here:
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/2020-November/002420.html

If you're a member of this community, but not yet an official voting member
of OSGeo Oceania, you may still be able to apply for membership in time to
vote (I haven't heard otherwise, and last year applications were solicited
and accepted up to 26 Nov). It's easy to join. Learn more, and apply here:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania#Membership

Thanks,
John
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[talk-au] Fwd: Please sign up as a member of OSGeo Oceania, and vote

[John Bryant]

Hi,

Please see email below re: participation in upcoming OSGeo Oceania
elections.

OSGeo Oceania is the official Oceania Local Chapter of the OpenStreetMap
Foundation, so these elections directly affect the OSM community.

Thanks
John

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From: John Bryant 
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2020 at 10:58
Subject: Please sign up as a member of OSGeo Oceania, and vote
To: Oceania community 


Hi all,

I want to make an appeal for people in this community to take 2 minutes and
register as a member of OSGeo Oceania, so you can vote in the upcoming
board election. Voting runs from 29 Nov - 6 Dec [1], so there's not really
any time to waste.

The organisation hasn't been proactively recruiting new members since the
last intake in November 2019, so it's up to you to make the effort to
register.

I believe OSGeo Oceania could play a crucial role in activating and
knitting together our regional community, but it's up to us to get engaged,
hold the organisation accountable, and ensure it does what it takes. If you
agree, sign up as a member and make sure your voice is heard.

If you're not on the member register
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rgkIYtykfoZgbZebaqNrGYbvERo_8-eVDp6e63-jxpI>
[2], sign up!

Registration form is here
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfyt_YoV6oK4hdVSsZjOACUV5V55J5m9RZtVUDuoFTidzZBDg/viewform>
[3].

Thanks
John

p.s. you can learn more about membership on the Oceania wiki [4].

[1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/oceania/2020-October/002403.html
[2]
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[3]
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfyt_YoV6oK4hdVSsZjOACUV5V55J5m9RZtVUDuoFTidzZBDg/viewform
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Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 160, Issue 14

[John Bryant]

Yes, agreed. At a quick look, the quality seems to be better in some areas
than others, some of the suburban areas of Perth come out pretty well.
Anyway, if it's useful to anyone, I now have a folder of ~1700 .osm files
for all the suburbs in Perth, happy to share them if anyone wants. I'll
probably do some tinkering with them, as a JOSM learning exercise.

Cheers
John


On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 15:49, Warren  wrote:

> That was  also my plan John.  The Kings Park data set looks like a perfect
> example.  I can load that as a layer and compare the existing OSM data in
> another layer.   It is not that difficult to select a number of building
> traces at a time and bring them in.  However the Kings Park data is already
> showing some inconsistencies.  For Example Fraser's Restaurant, circular
> building is showing as orthogonal.  Many of the other buildings are also
> incorrect.
> Oh well perhaps it is just another tool that can sometimes be useful.
> Good effort anyway
>
>
> On 21/10/2020 3:12 pm, John Bryant wrote:
>
> Seems sensible to me, I'd personally be shying away from imports without
> more knowledge of how that works. I was thinking about biting off very
> small chunks (even suburbs may be too big for this) and manually going over
> them, making sure to not overwrite existing buildings, and checking them
> individually to make sure they match up with relevant imagery. Is there a
> recommended workflow for this?
>
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 15:02, Daniel O'Connor 
> wrote:
>
>> Just to flag a note of caution here - I'd recommend small scale
>> evaluations *only* at this stage; or if you do bigger test imports; in a
>> sandbox environment.
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sandbox_for_editing#Experiment_with_the_API_.28advanced.29
>>
>> If there is interest; later we can create a bunch of tasking manager jobs
>> for importing small chunks at a time; plus write up the plan(s) as needed
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 5:10 PM John Bryant 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Warren, I've split it out into .osm files for each of the WA suburbs
>>> [1], see attached small example file for King's Park. Does something like
>>> this work? I can drag and drop them into JOSM, but I'm not 100% sure if
>>> they're formatted or attributed correctly to be most useful.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> John
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://data.gov.au/dataset/ds-dga-6a0ec945-c880-4882-8a81-4dbcb85e74e5/details
>>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 09:58, Warren 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John
>>>> I use  JOSM.  Any file format that I can bring in as a layer would be
>>>> fine.   I can then select, copy and paste the tracings into an active layer
>>>> for upload, checking  as I go.  Certainly faster than tracing by hand.
>>>> I am not sure when JOSM get chocked by file size, but say Perth or the
>>>> South West of WA may be enough of a reduction.
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> On 21/10/2020 9:20 am, John Bryant wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Warren, I could probably help with this. What would be a good size
>>>> for a chunk? What would be a useful format?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 07:21, Warren 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> I am in the eastern suburbs of Perth where minimal buildings have been
>>>>> traced.  I would be happy to check trace data in my area, lets face it
>>>>> hand tracing is not much fun  and very time consuming.  I think some
>>>>> inaccuracies are acceptable, they can be modified as they become
>>>>> apparent.
>>>>> The data at https://github.com/microsoft/AustraliaBuildingFootprints
>>>>> is
>>>>> much too large for me to handle.
>>>>> Is  someone more skillful than me able to break this data set into
>>>>> bite
>>>>> sized chunks?
>>>>>
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Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 160, Issue 14

[John Bryant via Talk-au]

Seems sensible to me, I'd personally be shying away from imports without
more knowledge of how that works. I was thinking about biting off very
small chunks (even suburbs may be too big for this) and manually going over
them, making sure to not overwrite existing buildings, and checking them
individually to make sure they match up with relevant imagery. Is there a
recommended workflow for this?

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 15:02, Daniel O'Connor 
wrote:

> Just to flag a note of caution here - I'd recommend small scale
> evaluations *only* at this stage; or if you do bigger test imports; in a
> sandbox environment.
>
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sandbox_for_editing#Experiment_with_the_API_.28advanced.29
>
> If there is interest; later we can create a bunch of tasking manager jobs
> for importing small chunks at a time; plus write up the plan(s) as needed
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 5:10 PM John Bryant  wrote:
>
>> Hi Warren, I've split it out into .osm files for each of the WA suburbs
>> [1], see attached small example file for King's Park. Does something like
>> this work? I can drag and drop them into JOSM, but I'm not 100% sure if
>> they're formatted or attributed correctly to be most useful.
>>
>> Cheers
>> John
>>
>> [1]
>> https://data.gov.au/dataset/ds-dga-6a0ec945-c880-4882-8a81-4dbcb85e74e5/details
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 09:58, Warren 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John
>>> I use  JOSM.  Any file format that I can bring in as a layer would be
>>> fine.   I can then select, copy and paste the tracings into an active layer
>>> for upload, checking  as I go.  Certainly faster than tracing by hand.
>>> I am not sure when JOSM get chocked by file size, but say Perth or the
>>> South West of WA may be enough of a reduction.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On 21/10/2020 9:20 am, John Bryant wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Warren, I could probably help with this. What would be a good size
>>> for a chunk? What would be a useful format?
>>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 07:21, Warren 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I am in the eastern suburbs of Perth where minimal buildings have been
>>>> traced.  I would be happy to check trace data in my area, lets face it
>>>> hand tracing is not much fun  and very time consuming.  I think some
>>>> inaccuracies are acceptable, they can be modified as they become
>>>> apparent.
>>>> The data at https://github.com/microsoft/AustraliaBuildingFootprints
>>>> is
>>>> much too large for me to handle.
>>>> Is  someone more skillful than me able to break this data set into bite
>>>> sized chunks?
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 160, Issue 14

[John Bryant]

Hi Warren, I've split it out into .osm files for each of the WA suburbs
[1], see attached small example file for King's Park. Does something like
this work? I can drag and drop them into JOSM, but I'm not 100% sure if
they're formatted or attributed correctly to be most useful.

Cheers
John

[1]
https://data.gov.au/dataset/ds-dga-6a0ec945-c880-4882-8a81-4dbcb85e74e5/details

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 09:58, Warren  wrote:

> Hi John
> I use  JOSM.  Any file format that I can bring in as a layer would be
> fine.   I can then select, copy and paste the tracings into an active layer
> for upload, checking  as I go.  Certainly faster than tracing by hand.
> I am not sure when JOSM get chocked by file size, but say Perth or the
> South West of WA may be enough of a reduction.
> Thanks
>
> On 21/10/2020 9:20 am, John Bryant wrote:
>
> Hi Warren, I could probably help with this. What would be a good size for
> a chunk? What would be a useful format?
>
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 07:21, Warren  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I am in the eastern suburbs of Perth where minimal buildings have been
>> traced.  I would be happy to check trace data in my area, lets face it
>> hand tracing is not much fun  and very time consuming.  I think some
>> inaccuracies are acceptable, they can be modified as they become apparent.
>> The data at https://github.com/microsoft/AustraliaBuildingFootprints is
>> much too large for me to handle.
>> Is  someone more skillful than me able to break this data set into bite
>> sized chunks?
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 160, Issue 14

[John Bryant]

Hi Warren, I could probably help with this. What would be a good size for a
chunk? What would be a useful format?

On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 at 07:21, Warren  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am in the eastern suburbs of Perth where minimal buildings have been
> traced.  I would be happy to check trace data in my area, lets face it
> hand tracing is not much fun  and very time consuming.  I think some
> inaccuracies are acceptable, they can be modified as they become apparent.
> The data at https://github.com/microsoft/AustraliaBuildingFootprints is
> much too large for me to handle.
> Is  someone more skillful than me able to break this data set into bite
> sized chunks?
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: vine row tagging

[John Bryant]

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 at 05:37, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> Resending message to the list :-(
>
> How do we fix it so that "Reply" goes to the list, not just the last
> poster?
>

I'm not totally full bottle on all the mailman list management variables,
but I think it's managed with the reply_goes_to_list setting here:

https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/node11.html
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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: vine row tagging

[John Bryant]

Thanks Ben,

That's a good point re: accuracy. But absolute position within a few meters
may be OK, if the relative position is maintained. Vine rows are generally
visible on imagery and could be mapped that way. It's also not unusual for
a vineyard to survey their rows with high accuracy GPS.

About usefulness to farmers... this mapping initiative is coming from the
viticulture community, so I have to assume they have reasons to find it
useful.  If those reasons are compelling enough, they'll probably be the
ones doing much of the mapping... and if in the end it doesn't prove to be
useful then it probably won't go very far.

Cheers
John

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 at 10:54, Benjamin Ceravolo 
wrote:

> I understand the principal being explained above as to why Vire rows are
> wanting to be mapped, but my question is is it even practical within the
> use of the map considering that viren reos are approximately 1.5m apart and
> all but the most high end GNSS (GPS) units are +1m accuracy. My point being
> that I (from a map usage standpoint) don't see how the mapping of vine
> rows would be useful to farmers, if anything they want to mark any data,
> while out in the Vineyard would ether be potentially inaccurate or be have
> to be mapped on paper which I think defeats the purpose of mapping it on
> OSM.
>
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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: vine row tagging

[John Bryant]

Thanks Ian, that's a very good point re: consistency with orchards &
plantations. Whether this style of mapping will actually prove to be
broadly useful, time will tell I suppose, but seems better to start off
aiming for consistency.

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 at 06:41, Little Maps  wrote:

> That’s an interesting development in OSM micro-mapping John. Can I put a
> vote in for using natural=tree_row rather than barrier=fence, if no better
> options are available. I’m not arguing from the point of rendering, but
> from the perspective of developing a tagging scheme that will be useful in
> other orchards and even perhaps timber plantations, if future mappers
> extend this process. Most (all?) orchards and plantations have woody plants
> in rows, but only a few have fence-like trellises. Natural=tree_row would
> be suitable for a wide range of orchards and plantations whereas
> barrier=fence is much more restricted. It would be a pain if the almond
> plantations and citrus orchards in a region used one tagging scheme while
> the nearby vineyards used a different one. I’m certainly glad I don’t have
> to map them all! Best wishes Ian
>
> On 16 Oct 2020, at 8:37 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Resending message to the list :-(
>
> How do we fix it so that "Reply" goes to the list, not just the last
> poster?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
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> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 17:20
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] vine row tagging
> To: John Bryant 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 16:34, John Bryant  wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, they want to map rows, to use OSM in a way that will be useful to
>> the viticulture community. The idea is to add more detail to vineyards than
>> is currently in OSM, which has vineyard areas but not rows.
>>
>> To some degree, but for viticulture people it would be useful to use
>> *actual* rather than assumed locations.
>>
>
> Fair enough.
>
> Referring to the OSM carto rendering? That's a good point. What else could
>> we use to describe a vine row?
>>
>
> As Brendan mentioned, mark them in as fences, which will show a nice
> straight line, although that could be called tagging for the renderer! :-)
> It wouldn't be altogether wrong though, as they do form a barrier to
> movement across the rows!
>
> do features like vine rows belong in OSM? Does the difficulty in finding a
>> tagging schema for vine rows point to an incompatible feature type? I had
>> assumed that because they're readily observable on the ground, and
>> relatively persistent, it would make sense to map them... but if there's a
>> reason they shouldn't be in OSM it would be good to know, so the folks I'm
>> helping can change course.
>>
>
> I guess that's a question of what do the end-users want to see about
> "their" land? Most would probably be happy just to see it as a vineyard,
> but if somebody wants extra detail, is it up to us to say "No"? I wouldn't
> have said so, myself!
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] vine row tagging

[John Bryant]

Thanks Phil, there's a brief note about denotation=* in combination with
natural=tree (and by extension, natural=tree_row?) on the wiki [1].
Combining with crop=grape seems to be a new approach...

[1]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dtree#Subtag_denotation_to_indicate_the_significance

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 17:11, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> Where does the denotation=agricultural come from as it doesn’t appear to
> be a regular combination with crop=grape ??
>
>
>
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/crop=grape#combinations
>
>
>
> Cheers Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrew Harvey 
> *Sent:* Thursday, 15 October 2020 7:52 PM
> *To:* John Bryant 
> *Cc:* talk-au 
> *Subject:* Re: [talk-au] vine row tagging
>
>
>
> I think it's fine to map these in OSM, like all other things in private
> property it does make it harder to validate and determining the exact crop
> from imagery might be a stretch, but I don't think this is enough of a
> reason to not map.
>
>
>
> I agree with the suggestion of natural=tree_row +
> denotation=agricultural + crop=grape is best. These are all well documented
> and in-use tags and this use matches the description of what they are for.
>
>
>
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 15:13, John Bryant  wrote:
>
> Hi all, I'm doing some work with a community agriculture group looking at
> adding vineyard-related features to OSM, at this point starting with just
> vine rows.
>
> Vineyards themselves (ie. the polygons that contain the rows) are often
> tagged with landuse=vineyard and crop=grape [1][2].
>
> I can't see anything relevant to this in the Australian tagging
> guidelines. Looking more broadly, it looks like vine rows haven't been
> widely mapped before.
>
> For vine *rows* (ie. the linear features within the vineyard), we've had
> suggestions of natural=tree_row, denotation=agricultural, and crop=grape,
> but not totally confident about this.
>
> Does anyone here have any thoughts or suggestions?
>
> Thanks
> John
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dvineyard
> [2] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/landuse=vineyard#combinations
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Re: [talk-au] vine row tagging

[John Bryant]

Thanks Simon, putting the data into OSM isn't meant to replace GIS, all the
things you mention are certainly part of the professional viticulture
community's practice. I believe this idea is more around enabling a
different kind of access to information, and exploring the possibilities of
using an open platform to enable it.

Cheers
John

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 15:58, Simon Slater  wrote:

> On Thursday, 15 October 2020 6:23:36 PM AEDT John Bryant wrote:
> > This is part of a viticulture community-driven project to build consensus
> > around use & sharing of data, and part of the discussion is around data
> > ownership and openness. The project has the Australian Farm Data Code [1]
> > as one of its guiding principles, so it's definitely on the radar. I'm
> not
> > running the project myself, but helping to answer some of the questions
> > about open geospatial (hence this query!).
>
> For this level of detail, would a GIS be more useful, pulling roads etc.
> from
> OSM?  Then other things useful to the viticulturist, such as soil type,
> slope,
> aspect, rainfall, irrigation and drainage (natural or artificial) even
> cadastre for individual blocks, could be layered in as needed and is as
> much,
> or as little, detail as required.
>
> GRASS or QGIS are readily available as FOSS if that is a requirement.
>
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Re: [talk-au] vine row tagging

[John Bryant]

Thanks Brendan, this is an interesting idea! There's definitely some
interest in capturing data at the vine level, but it presents some
complications for some in the viticulture community, so vine rows are seen
as a suitable level of abstraction for this stage.

barrier=fence... also interesting... made up of vines on wires running
between posts, the typical vine row is quite fence-like.

Thanks
John


On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 14:49, Brendan Barnes  wrote:

> Depends of level of detail sought, but each grapevine could be marked as
> natural=shrub <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural%3Dshrub>.
>
> My first thought was to use barrier=fence
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dfence>, but the wiki
> defines it as a "freestanding structure designed to *restrict or prevent
> movement across a boundary*".
>
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 17:46, Adam Steer  wrote:
>
>> Hey John
>>
>> What are the owners of the properties containing vines saying? Are they
>> fully aware that their farm data will be open for everyone to see?
>>
>> ...and what data/tagging useful to them?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adam
>>
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 08:40, John Bryant  wrote:
>>
>>> So, map the strainer posts on the ends of the rows, rather than the rows
>>> themselves, and then the end user could use them to interpolate the row?
>>> That's an interesting idea.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 14:33, nwastra  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Many vineyards have numbered rows with a tag on the end strainer posts
>>>> to assist direction of workers, etc.
>>>> These could be numbered using the addr interpolation scheme and then
>>>> individual rows would not need to be mapped but does need a close survey.
>>>>
>>>> On 15 Oct 2020, at 3:32 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 14:13, John Bryant 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looking more broadly, it looks like vine rows haven't been widely
>>>>> mapped before.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you need to?
>>>>
>>>> I think it could be automatically assumed that all vineyards have their
>>>> vines in rows, approx the same distance apart?
>>>>
>>>> I noticed vine_row_orientation
>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:vine_row_orientation>=* :
>>>> vine row orientation (in degrees)on the wiki page - wouldn't that be
>>>> sufficient?
>>>>
>>>> For vine *rows* (ie. the linear features within the vineyard), we've
>>>>> had suggestions of natural=tree_row,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you were going to put a tree_row on every row of vines, you'd have
>>>> nothing but a solid mass of them!
>>>>
>>>> denotation=agricultural,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, not sure what you mean with this?
>>>>
>>>> and crop=grape,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marked as being redundant as all vineyards grow grapes! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
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Re: [talk-au] vine row tagging

[John Bryant]

Thanks Adam,

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 14:44, Adam Steer  wrote:

> What are the owners of the properties containing vines saying? Are they
> fully aware that their farm data will be open for everyone to see?
>
This is part of a viticulture community-driven project to build consensus
around use & sharing of data, and part of the discussion is around data
ownership and openness. The project has the Australian Farm Data Code [1]
as one of its guiding principles, so it's definitely on the radar. I'm not
running the project myself, but helping to answer some of the questions
about open geospatial (hence this query!).


> ...and what data/tagging useful to them?
>
Re: data, starting with vine rows as a first step, but possibly farm
tracks, fences, and other infrastructure might be useful later, of course
depending on its suitability for OSM.
Re: tags, I think the viticulture community is pretty non-fussed about what
specific tags are used, as long as they can use OSM and do the right thing
by the OSM community.

Cheers
John

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Re: [talk-au] vine row tagging

[John Bryant]

So, map the strainer posts on the ends of the rows, rather than the rows
themselves, and then the end user could use them to interpolate the row?
That's an interesting idea.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 14:33, nwastra  wrote:

> Many vineyards have numbered rows with a tag on the end strainer posts to
> assist direction of workers, etc.
> These could be numbered using the addr interpolation scheme and then
> individual rows would not need to be mapped but does need a close survey.
>
> On 15 Oct 2020, at 3:32 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 14:13, John Bryant  wrote:
>
>> Looking more broadly, it looks like vine rows haven't been widely mapped
>> before.
>>
>
> Do you need to?
>
> I think it could be automatically assumed that all vineyards have their
> vines in rows, approx the same distance apart?
>
> I noticed vine_row_orientation
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:vine_row_orientation>=* : vine
> row orientation (in degrees)on the wiki page - wouldn't that be sufficient?
>
> For vine *rows* (ie. the linear features within the vineyard), we've had
>> suggestions of natural=tree_row,
>>
>
> If you were going to put a tree_row on every row of vines, you'd have
> nothing but a solid mass of them!
>
> denotation=agricultural,
>>
>
> Sorry, not sure what you mean with this?
>
> and crop=grape,
>>
>
> Marked as being redundant as all vineyards grow grapes! :-)
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] vine row tagging

[John Bryant]

Thanks Graeme, I appreciate your response, answers to your questions below.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 13:32, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> Do you need to?
>
Well, they want to map rows, to use OSM in a way that will be useful to the
viticulture community. The idea is to add more detail to vineyards than is
currently in OSM, which has vineyard areas but not rows.


> I think it could be automatically assumed that all vineyards have their
> vines in rows, approx the same distance apart?
>
To some degree, but for viticulture people it would be useful to use
*actual* rather than assumed locations.


> I noticed vine_row_orientation
> =* : vine
> row orientation (in degrees)on the wiki page - wouldn't that be sufficient?
>
That seems good for vineyard areas, but isn't needed for rows, which is
what we're trying to figure out tagging for.


> For vine *rows* (ie. the linear features within the vineyard), we've had
>> suggestions of natural=tree_row,
>>
> If you were going to put a tree_row on every row of vines, you'd have
> nothing but a solid mass of them!
>
Referring to the OSM carto rendering? That's a good point. What else could
we use to describe a vine row?


> denotation=agricultural,
>>
> Sorry, not sure what you mean with this?
>
This was a suggestion that came to us, it's relatively commonly used for
trees and tree rows, but I'm not sure if it makes sense for vine rows,
which is why I'm asking :)

and crop=grape,
>>
> Marked as being redundant as all vineyards grow grapes! :-)
>
Yes I agree for vineyards. But specifically thinking about vine rows for
this tagging.

I guess these comments raise the question, do features like vine rows
belong in OSM? Does the difficulty in finding a tagging schema for vine
rows point to an incompatible feature type? I had assumed that because
they're readily observable on the ground, and relatively persistent, it
would make sense to map them... but if there's a reason they shouldn't be
in OSM it would be good to know, so the folks I'm helping can change course.

Cheers
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[talk-au] vine row tagging

[John Bryant]

Hi all, I'm doing some work with a community agriculture group looking at
adding vineyard-related features to OSM, at this point starting with just
vine rows.

Vineyards themselves (ie. the polygons that contain the rows) are often
tagged with landuse=vineyard and crop=grape [1][2].

I can't see anything relevant to this in the Australian tagging guidelines.
Looking more broadly, it looks like vine rows haven't been widely mapped
before.

For vine *rows* (ie. the linear features within the vineyard), we've had
suggestions of natural=tree_row, denotation=agricultural, and crop=grape,
but not totally confident about this.

Does anyone here have any thoughts or suggestions?

Thanks
John

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dvineyard
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[talk-au] resignation from OSGeo Oceania

[John Bryant]

Hi folks, just a quick note to let you know that I decided yesterday to
resign from the OSGeo Oceania board of directors. I won't be continuing
with board business, but I'll continue to contribute as a community member
however I can.

Looking forward to continuing to work on this awesome community with you
all.

Cheers
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[talk-au] Bushfire mapathon - kudos

[John Bryant]

I wasn't able to attend the SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon
yesterday, but thanks to the open-access chat, I was able to follow along
as an observer as I had time. It sounded like it went well, with a lot of
participation, including a large number of people encountering
OpenStreetMap for the first time.

I want to shine a bit of a spotlight on Andrew Harvey, Phil Wyatt, and Ewen
Hill. They each put in a considerable effort in making the event a success:
securing waivers, answering questions from organisers, providing technical
support, and helping new mappers find their way.

When the event organisers had some difficulties due to unfamiliarity with
the OSM project & community, Andrew, Phil, & Ewen really stepped up at
short notice to make sure that new mappers had a great experience, handling
themselves professionally and staying positive & productive throughout.
And, I'll note - they're not done yet, these guys are still working on
waivers, data cleanup, and lessons learned, even after most of the event
participants have moved on.

Great work you guys. Made me feel proud to be part of such a great
community.

Cheers
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Re: [talk-au] SSSI National Bushfire Recovery Map-a-thon - Sunday 9th Feb

[John Bryant]

>
> *Maybe swap across to LPI imagery & just map all the buildings & other
> POI, without worrying about damage? That would be a huge bonus as far as
> OSM is concerned, but wouldn't actually do anything at all for the disaster
> recovery side of things?*
>
 This seems like a productive idea to me... capturing buildings in
bushfire-affected areas could produce a useful input to spatial analyses. I
don't know what the agencies already have in this regard though.

On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 17:14, Phil Wyatt  wrote:

> Some new imagery is being uploaded... not sure on resolution
>
>
> Cheers - Phil,
> On the road with his iPad
>
> On 8 Feb 2020, at 5:49 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Sat, 8 Feb 2020 at 16:24, Ewen Hill  wrote:
>
>> Sadly the Planet quality appears less than optimal.
>>
>
> You're not wrong!
>
>
>> If I look at the town of Cobargo where there were buildings lost just
>> north east of the Narira Creek Highway crossing, I can't tell.what has been
>> destroyed, damaged or otherwise. :
>> https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/7898?task=591
>>
>
> No, there's no way of telling if a building has been damaged - I'm been
> mapping for a while & I couldn't even pick them as buildings, without
> changing to a different set of imagery. Where I was just looking I couldn't
> even tell if the area had actually been burnt over - it all looked like
> normal dry grassland to me?
>
> I think we really need to come up with a backup plan for this event and
>> quietly push SSSI towards that.
>>
>
> Maybe swap across to LPI imagery & just map all the buildings & other POI,
> without worrying about damage? That would be a huge bonus as far as OSM is
> concerned, but wouldn't actually do anything at all for the disaster
> recovery side of things?
>
>
>> We don't want people's first taste of OSM to be a poor one.
>>
>
> No, & I agree with you that it won't be a good, first look :-(
>
>   Thanks
>
> Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] [Pacific] [OSGeo Oceania] OSGeo Oceania - Call For Members

[John Bryant]

Hey Edwin & Mafoa, thanks a lot for the message.

Unfortunately, I think it's too late for this intake, I think all the work
has already been finished for this round. But we'll be doing another round
in a couple of months, and we will include you in that. Meanwhile, to stay
up to date on what's happening, please sign up to the Oceania mailing list (
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/oceania) and check out the wiki
page (https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania).

Mafoa, I will look forward to when we kick off the next intake, and
formalising your membership then!

Cheers
John

On Fri., 29 Nov. 2019, 7:41 pm Edwin Liava'a, 
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> Hi John,
>
> Am a bit late, but another colleague wants to join.
>
> Any exemption or shall he have to wait for the next round of intakes?
>
> His name is Mafoa Penisoni coping him in CC on this email
> peniso...@gmail.com
>
> cheers,
>
> #Ed
>
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> >
> > If you don't get a chance today, we'll be doing another intake in a few
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> >
> > Cheers!
> > John
> >
> > On Tue., 19 Nov. 2019, 4:32 pm John Bryant, 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all, see below for an invitation to join OSGeo Oceania as a member.
> >>
> >> Cheers
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Re: [talk-au] [OSGeo Oceania] OSGeo Oceania - Call For Members

[John Bryant]

Hi all, a reminder that this intake closes tonight. If you want to join
OSGeo Oceania as a member, please use the link below.

If you don't get a chance today, we'll be doing another intake in a few
months.

Cheers!
John

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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSGeo Oceania] OSGeo Oceania - Call For Members

[John Bryant]

Apologies - wrong link. Membership policy is here
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ckBB9we2WRyH_IzDJvG2yHEgVYtURrdC/edit>.

On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 15:45, John Bryant  wrote:

> Hey Graeme, thanks for the questions! No fees, it's important that we keep
> a low barrier to entry. This is for "ordinary" members, ie. the people who
> contribute to the open geospatial community in Oceania in some meaningful
> way. This includes all kinds of contributions, and isn't limited to people
> actively working on the organisation. Keen mappers are definitely welcome!
>
> For those that like to read  fine print, see the Membership Policy
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1UKcKVeknkgf38o_-Td4G53jzJCtyyD-d>
> .
>
> Cheers
> John
>
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 15:41, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi John
>>
>> Thanks for the invitation!
>>
>> Couple of questions please.
>>
>> Is this intended just for potential "ordinary" members eg keen mappers
>> interested in growing things, or is it more for "executive-level" people?
>> (Probably not the right word, so my apologies - definitely no offence
>> intended!)
>>
>> & are there any membership fees?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:34, John Bryant  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, see below for an invitation to join OSGeo Oceania as a member.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> John
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: Edoardo Neerhut 
>>> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:17
>>> Subject: [OSGeo Oceania] OSGeo Oceania - Call For Members
>>> To: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear OSGeo Oceania community,
>>>
>>> This email is an invitation to nominate yourself to become a member of
>>> OSGeo Oceania. OSGeo exists with the stated objective *To support and
>>> grow the open geospatial community in the Oceania region, including the
>>> oversight and stewardship of a FOSS4G & SotM Conference series*.
>>>
>>> You can nominate yourself to become a member by filling in this form
>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfyt_YoV6oK4hdVSsZjOACUV5V55J5m9RZtVUDuoFTidzZBDg/viewform?usp=sf_link>.
>>> Note, if you recently filled out an expression of interest form, you still
>>> need to complete the above form as it serves as your official nomination to
>>> become an OSGeo member.
>>>  *The process*A Membership Working Group (MWG) has been formed
>>> comprising two OSGeo Oceania directors and three individuals involved in
>>> the conference series. Going forward the MWG will comprise two OSGeo
>>> Oceania directors and at least two OSGeo Oceania members. Efforts will be
>>> made to ensure the MWG reflects the diversity in our region. Members of
>>> OSGeo Oceania will be invited to take part in the MWG in future member
>>> inductions.
>>>
>>> The MWG currently consists of Edoardo Neerhut, Daniel Silk, David
>>> Garcia, Emma Hain, and Adam Steer.
>>>
>>> The nomination period will close on the 26th of November, 2019 at
>>> 23:59:59 AEST. After this date the MWG will begin assessing nominations and
>>> notifying nominees of their confirmation as members via email. You will be
>>> required to accept your nomination as a member by clicking the link in the
>>> email.
>>>
>>> You may also wish to subscribe to the OSGeo Oceania mailing list to stay
>>> up to date on the election process which will take place in December.
>>>
>>> OSGeo members will be inducted on a quarterly basis so if you miss out
>>> on this round, the next round will take place sometime before the 31st of
>>> March, 2020.
>>>
>>> *The Entity*Following the successful FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2018, an
>>> entity was formed to promote and support the open source geospatial
>>> community in Oceania. This entity, OSGeo Oceania, is a company limited by
>>> guarantee, registered in Australia under the Corporations Act (2001). By
>>> becoming a member you will be listed on the membership register of this
>>> entity. This is a private list, but we will list those that consent on the
>>> OSGeo wiki <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania> as members.
>>>
>>> *Benefits of membership*
>>>
>>>- Vote for the board and shape the direction of OSGeo Oceania.
>>>- Eligible to serve on the board and directly shape the direction of
>>>OSGeo Oceania.
>>&g

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSGeo Oceania] OSGeo Oceania - Call For Members

[John Bryant]

Hey Graeme, thanks for the questions! No fees, it's important that we keep
a low barrier to entry. This is for "ordinary" members, ie. the people who
contribute to the open geospatial community in Oceania in some meaningful
way. This includes all kinds of contributions, and isn't limited to people
actively working on the organisation. Keen mappers are definitely welcome!

For those that like to read  fine print, see the Membership Policy
<https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1UKcKVeknkgf38o_-Td4G53jzJCtyyD-d>
.

Cheers
John

On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 15:41, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> Hi John
>
> Thanks for the invitation!
>
> Couple of questions please.
>
> Is this intended just for potential "ordinary" members eg keen mappers
> interested in growing things, or is it more for "executive-level" people?
> (Probably not the right word, so my apologies - definitely no offence
> intended!)
>
> & are there any membership fees?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:34, John Bryant  wrote:
>
>> Hi all, see below for an invitation to join OSGeo Oceania as a member.
>>
>> Cheers
>> John
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Edoardo Neerhut 
>> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:17
>> Subject: [OSGeo Oceania] OSGeo Oceania - Call For Members
>> To: 
>>
>>
>> Dear OSGeo Oceania community,
>>
>> This email is an invitation to nominate yourself to become a member of
>> OSGeo Oceania. OSGeo exists with the stated objective *To support and
>> grow the open geospatial community in the Oceania region, including the
>> oversight and stewardship of a FOSS4G & SotM Conference series*.
>>
>> You can nominate yourself to become a member by filling in this form
>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfyt_YoV6oK4hdVSsZjOACUV5V55J5m9RZtVUDuoFTidzZBDg/viewform?usp=sf_link>.
>> Note, if you recently filled out an expression of interest form, you still
>> need to complete the above form as it serves as your official nomination to
>> become an OSGeo member.
>>  *The process*A Membership Working Group (MWG) has been formed
>> comprising two OSGeo Oceania directors and three individuals involved in
>> the conference series. Going forward the MWG will comprise two OSGeo
>> Oceania directors and at least two OSGeo Oceania members. Efforts will be
>> made to ensure the MWG reflects the diversity in our region. Members of
>> OSGeo Oceania will be invited to take part in the MWG in future member
>> inductions.
>>
>> The MWG currently consists of Edoardo Neerhut, Daniel Silk, David Garcia,
>> Emma Hain, and Adam Steer.
>>
>> The nomination period will close on the 26th of November, 2019 at
>> 23:59:59 AEST. After this date the MWG will begin assessing nominations and
>> notifying nominees of their confirmation as members via email. You will be
>> required to accept your nomination as a member by clicking the link in the
>> email.
>>
>> You may also wish to subscribe to the OSGeo Oceania mailing list to stay
>> up to date on the election process which will take place in December.
>>
>> OSGeo members will be inducted on a quarterly basis so if you miss out on
>> this round, the next round will take place sometime before the 31st of
>> March, 2020.
>>
>> *The Entity*Following the successful FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2018, an entity
>> was formed to promote and support the open source geospatial community in
>> Oceania. This entity, OSGeo Oceania, is a company limited by guarantee,
>> registered in Australia under the Corporations Act (2001). By becoming a
>> member you will be listed on the membership register of this entity. This
>> is a private list, but we will list those that consent on the OSGeo wiki
>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania> as members.
>>
>> *Benefits of membership*
>>
>>- Vote for the board and shape the direction of OSGeo Oceania.
>>- Eligible to serve on the board and directly shape the direction of
>>OSGeo Oceania.
>>- Eligible for funding when organising an event or activity relevant
>>to OSGeo’s mission.
>>- Stay closely informed on decision making in the organisation and
>>opportunities to volunteer.
>>
>> *Responsibilities*Members have the right and responsibility to vote in
>> the annual board elections. Members failing to do so in two consecutive
>> elections will be considered inactive and removed from the membership list.
>> *Nominate*Remember, you must nominate yourself by filling in this form
>>

[talk-au] Fwd: [OSGeo Oceania] OSGeo Oceania - Call For Members

[John Bryant]

Hi all, see below for an invitation to join OSGeo Oceania as a member.

Cheers
John

-- Forwarded message -
From: Edoardo Neerhut 
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:17
Subject: [OSGeo Oceania] OSGeo Oceania - Call For Members
To: 


Dear OSGeo Oceania community,

This email is an invitation to nominate yourself to become a member of
OSGeo Oceania. OSGeo exists with the stated objective *To support and grow
the open geospatial community in the Oceania region, including the
oversight and stewardship of a FOSS4G & SotM Conference series*.

You can nominate yourself to become a member by filling in this form
.
Note, if you recently filled out an expression of interest form, you still
need to complete the above form as it serves as your official nomination to
become an OSGeo member.
 *The process*A Membership Working Group (MWG) has been formed comprising
two OSGeo Oceania directors and three individuals involved in the
conference series. Going forward the MWG will comprise two OSGeo Oceania
directors and at least two OSGeo Oceania members. Efforts will be made to
ensure the MWG reflects the diversity in our region. Members of OSGeo
Oceania will be invited to take part in the MWG in future member inductions.

The MWG currently consists of Edoardo Neerhut, Daniel Silk, David Garcia,
Emma Hain, and Adam Steer.

The nomination period will close on the 26th of November, 2019 at 23:59:59
AEST. After this date the MWG will begin assessing nominations and
notifying nominees of their confirmation as members via email. You will be
required to accept your nomination as a member by clicking the link in the
email.

You may also wish to subscribe to the OSGeo Oceania mailing list to stay up
to date on the election process which will take place in December.

OSGeo members will be inducted on a quarterly basis so if you miss out on
this round, the next round will take place sometime before the 31st of
March, 2020.

*The Entity*Following the successful FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2018, an entity
was formed to promote and support the open source geospatial community in
Oceania. This entity, OSGeo Oceania, is a company limited by guarantee,
registered in Australia under the Corporations Act (2001). By becoming a
member you will be listed on the membership register of this entity. This
is a private list, but we will list those that consent on the OSGeo wiki
 as members.

*Benefits of membership*

   - Vote for the board and shape the direction of OSGeo Oceania.
   - Eligible to serve on the board and directly shape the direction of
   OSGeo Oceania.
   - Eligible for funding when organising an event or activity relevant to
   OSGeo’s mission.
   - Stay closely informed on decision making in the organisation and
   opportunities to volunteer.

*Responsibilities*Members have the right and responsibility to vote in the
annual board elections. Members failing to do so in two consecutive
elections will be considered inactive and removed from the membership list.
*Nominate*Remember, you must nominate yourself by filling in this form
.
We require address details as part of our obligation to The Australian
Securities and Investments Commission (ASIC) to maintain a membership
register.

The OSGeo community in Oceania is entering a new chapter and we'd love you
to join it and help shape the direction of this organisation. If you
haven’t already, make sure you sign up to the OSGeo mailing list.

Many thanks,

Ed and the MWG team
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Re: [talk-au] [OSGeo Oceania] OSGeo Oceania's OSMF Local Chapter Application

[John Bryant]

Thanks for carrying this forward, Andrew. Looking forward to seeing what a
Local Chapter can accomplish in Oceania.

On Fri., 23 Aug. 2019, 6:35 am Andrew Harvey, 
wrote:

> I've just submitted this application to OSMF now.
>
> On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 22:23, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> OSGeo Oceania has put together the OSMF Local Chapter application, it's
>> now being presented back to the community for any final feedback or
>> thoughts before being submitted to OSMF.
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GAMY_pLAUMXe-PjJhQ4C4Eqvn2rq9xEt2mse3WexNxg/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>> I'll leave this for at least a week for any comments or feedback before
>> we actually submit this to OSMF.
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Considering future Open Geospatial conferences in Oceania

[John Bryant]

Hi all, forwarding a response from Alyssa Wright (with her permission):

Hi!
>
> I wanted to say that I think it's very important to have an Oceania FoSS4G
> / SOTM. The geography is so expansive in both mileage and innovation. There
> is so much going on.
>
> Maybe a bi-annual conference and/or coordination with HOT efforts in
> Indonesia would lighten the burden and diversify the funding/attendance/etc.
>
> And, if it makes a difference, we also have been having trouble finding
> hosts for SOTMUS.
>
> Anyway, I am not sure I can manage joining another email list ;( but I
> wanted to share my support for ongoing Oceania events. Let me know what I
> can do to help!
>
> Best,
> Alyssa.
>

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 11:19, John Bryant  wrote:

> Hi all, please see the following message below:
>
> “What should we do about upcoming conferences for Free and Open Source
> Software for Geospatial (FOSS4G) and State of the Map (SotM) within our
> Oceania region?”
>
> Image by @mapmakerdavid
> <https://twitter.com/mapmakerdavid/status/1151068594438123520>
>
> We didn’t have an answer to this question at the last OSGeo Oceania board
> meeting. At the moment, no one is volunteering to chair. No one is backing
> a city with commitment, and that is a problem we hope to solve.
>
> Pertinent is that the international FOSS4G will be held somewhere outside
> of Europe or North America in 2021 and a call for a two-page Expression Of
> Interest is coming in September
> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process>. We have a very 
> compelling
> case
> <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/2019-May/001399.html>
> for bringing the international community to our region, if we try.
>
> Are you keen to see FOSS4G & SotM continue in our region? Do you have
> ideas about where and how? Would you like to help make it happen? Are you
> interested in mentoring or being mentored by a bunch of committed
> volunteers who have worked on prior FOSS4G events? If so, why don’t you
> talk to us? Come join our email list
> <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-oceania> and introduce
> yourself. We particularly want to hear ideas about what we should do about
> FOSS4G in the next two years.
>
> Some history:
>
>-
>
>2009: FOSS4G-International in Sydney. During the global financial
>crisis, we had lower attendance than expected, but managed to stay
>profitable when similar conferences were losing money.
>-
>
>2018: FOSS4G SotM Oceania in Melbourne. Exceeded expectations for
>size, sponsorship, activities, and engagement.
>-
>
>2019: FOSS4G SotM Oceania Wellington <https://2019.foss4g-oceania.org/>:
>Has already exceeded sponsorship targets and sold out early bird tickets
>within a week.
>-
>
>*2020: FOSS4G SotM Oceania: Where?*
>-
>
>*2021: FOSS4G-International Should we bid for it?*
>
>
> We are looking forward to hearing from you,
>
> John Bryant (OSGeo Oceania president) and Cameron Shorter (scribe).
>
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Re: [talk-au] [Pacific] Considering future Open Geospatial conferences in Oceania

[John Bryant]

Hi Edwin, thanks a lot for that. Great to hear from you & Dominic that
there is energy for FOSS4G & SotM in the Pacific :)

One of the critical components for conference success is a group of
energetic people who will lead the way. At this stage we're looking for
those people, willing to do the hard work to bring the conference to their
region. We don't have a formal process at this point, but last year the
Wellington team put in a Letter of Intent [1], which was very helpful... I
think something like this would help a lot! But we're also happy to just
begin a conversation around what would be involved.

Cheers
John

[1] https://gist.github.com/dwsilk/1ee1f0347a0c386438504c3e20022df7

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 at 03:18, Edwin Liava'a  wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> Very well received and please find herewith my proposed answer to your 2
> questions.
>
> 2020: FOSS4G SotM Oceania: Where?
>
> * How about Fiji?
>
> 2021: FOSS4G-International Should we bid for it?
>
> * Yes
>
> Best regards,
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 21:20, John Bryant  wrote:
>
>> Hi all, please see the following message below:
>>
>> “What should we do about upcoming conferences for Free and Open Source
>> Software for Geospatial (FOSS4G) and State of the Map (SotM) within our
>> Oceania region?”
>>
>> Image by @mapmakerdavid
>> <https://twitter.com/mapmakerdavid/status/1151068594438123520>
>>
>> We didn’t have an answer to this question at the last OSGeo Oceania board
>> meeting. At the moment, no one is volunteering to chair. No one is backing
>> a city with commitment, and that is a problem we hope to solve.
>>
>> Pertinent is that the international FOSS4G will be held somewhere outside
>> of Europe or North America in 2021 and a call for a two-page Expression Of
>> Interest is coming in September
>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process>. We have a very 
>> compelling
>> case
>> <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/2019-May/001399.html>
>> for bringing the international community to our region, if we try.
>>
>> Are you keen to see FOSS4G & SotM continue in our region? Do you have
>> ideas about where and how? Would you like to help make it happen? Are you
>> interested in mentoring or being mentored by a bunch of committed
>> volunteers who have worked on prior FOSS4G events? If so, why don’t you
>> talk to us? Come join our email list
>> <https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-oceania> and introduce
>> yourself. We particularly want to hear ideas about what we should do about
>> FOSS4G in the next two years.
>>
>> Some history:
>>
>>-
>>
>>2009: FOSS4G-International in Sydney. During the global financial
>>crisis, we had lower attendance than expected, but managed to stay
>>profitable when similar conferences were losing money.
>>-
>>
>>2018: FOSS4G SotM Oceania in Melbourne. Exceeded expectations for
>>size, sponsorship, activities, and engagement.
>>-
>>
>>2019: FOSS4G SotM Oceania Wellington
>><https://2019.foss4g-oceania.org/>: Has already exceeded sponsorship
>>targets and sold out early bird tickets within a week.
>>-
>>
>>*2020: FOSS4G SotM Oceania: Where?*
>>-
>>
>>*2021: FOSS4G-International Should we bid for it?*
>>
>>
>> We are looking forward to hearing from you,
>>
>> John Bryant (OSGeo Oceania president) and Cameron Shorter (scribe).
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[talk-au] Considering future Open Geospatial conferences in Oceania

[John Bryant]

Hi all, please see the following message below:

“What should we do about upcoming conferences for Free and Open Source
Software for Geospatial (FOSS4G) and State of the Map (SotM) within our
Oceania region?”

Image by @mapmakerdavid
<https://twitter.com/mapmakerdavid/status/1151068594438123520>

We didn’t have an answer to this question at the last OSGeo Oceania board
meeting. At the moment, no one is volunteering to chair. No one is backing
a city with commitment, and that is a problem we hope to solve.

Pertinent is that the international FOSS4G will be held somewhere outside
of Europe or North America in 2021 and a call for a two-page Expression Of
Interest is coming in September
<https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2021_Bid_Process>. We have a very
compelling
case <https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g-oceania/2019-May/001399.html>
for bringing the international community to our region, if we try.

Are you keen to see FOSS4G & SotM continue in our region? Do you have ideas
about where and how? Would you like to help make it happen? Are you
interested in mentoring or being mentored by a bunch of committed
volunteers who have worked on prior FOSS4G events? If so, why don’t you
talk to us? Come join our email list
<https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-oceania> and introduce
yourself. We particularly want to hear ideas about what we should do about
FOSS4G in the next two years.

Some history:

   -

   2009: FOSS4G-International in Sydney. During the global financial
   crisis, we had lower attendance than expected, but managed to stay
   profitable when similar conferences were losing money.
   -

   2018: FOSS4G SotM Oceania in Melbourne. Exceeded expectations for size,
   sponsorship, activities, and engagement.
   -

   2019: FOSS4G SotM Oceania Wellington <https://2019.foss4g-oceania.org/>:
   Has already exceeded sponsorship targets and sold out early bird tickets
   within a week.
   -

   *2020: FOSS4G SotM Oceania: Where?*
   -

   *2021: FOSS4G-International Should we bid for it?*


We are looking forward to hearing from you,

John Bryant (OSGeo Oceania president) and Cameron Shorter (scribe).
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Re: [talk-au] [FOSS4G-Oceania] GHG mitigation and FOSS4G SotM Oceania

[John Bryant]

Great work Adam! I agree this looks like a worthwhile program.

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 09:45, Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:

> Fantastic work on this Adam. Parks Victoria would be a wonderful
> organisation to fund offset with. Much better than a Cayman Island
> registered organisation with plantations in the Amazon. Hopefully the costs
> of this approach are within the real of possibility for us.
>
> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 at 15:26, adam steer  wrote:
>
>> hey folks
>>
>> waking this conversation up again - there’s some interest from Parks
>> Victoria around applying funding from a GHG offset scheme to restore yellow
>> box woodland - which is direct, local and observable.
>>
>> I started making some calculations here:
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DGcpUCO6pHhKutoCh8qh1FcIrnXjyYQ_kOEIf5nCnGw/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> …using the ICAO flight emissions calculator. So far we’re up to about 48t
>> CO2 based on my assumptions around who comes from where - and no additions
>> from south pacific islands yet. If you have any input on those numbers
>> please add comments.
>>
>> Next step is to work more on how much money is appropriate for a
>> programme to sequester 48t of CO2 based on existing offset programmes.
>> Then, have a chat with Parks Victoria around how far that amount goes.
>>
>> I’ll add those estimates in the same sheet.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Adam
>>
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[talk-au] Fwd: FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2019 Travel Grant Program is now live!

[John Bryant]

Hi all, if you (or someone you know) live in Oceania and require financial
assistance to attend FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2019 in Wellington in November,
please check out the Travel Grant Program, details below. Please feel free
to forward to your networks.

Also, if you or your organisation wish to contribute to this important
initiative, please get in touch at t...@foss4g-oceania.org. The program is
built on financial support from OSGeo and conference sponsors and
attendees, and 100% of your contribution will go directly to assisting
people from around our region to attend.

Cheers!
John


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From: OSGeo Oceania 
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 at 01:27
Subject: FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2019 Travel Grant Program is now live!
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Travel Grant Program is now live!
The FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2019 organising committee are pleased to announce
we are now accepting applications for the Travel Grant Program. Please read
on for more details about who is eligible, what grant tiers you can apply
for, where to submit your application, and who to contact if you need
assistance with the process. All applications must be received by midnight
30th June 2019 (NZ Standard Time).

Who should apply:
The aim of the program is to increase the accessibility of this conference
to community members who are:

   - People from the Oceania region, who wouldn't be able to attend without
   funding assistance
   - People from under-represented communities, such as:
  - Indigenous communities
  - Residents of remote communities
  - Women and minority genders
  - Community development workers or students who don’t have workplace
  or government funding
   - People who have “skin in the game”:
  - People who will make use of what they learn to make a positive
  impact to themselves and their communities.
  - People who contribute to open communities, such as contributing to
  OpenStreetMap, or open source software.
  - People willing to volunteer or present a talk at the conference.


What you can apply for:

Successful applicants will be provided with free registration to the
conference and workshop sessions, plus financial assistance to help cover
eligible travel costs. We will issue grants in the following tiers:

   - Tier 1: free conference & workshop registration, plus up to NZD $2000
   - Tier 2: free conference & workshop registration, plus up to NZD $1000
   - Tier 3: free conference & workshop registration only


How to apply:

You can find the application form here.




If you need more guidance about submitting a successful application, or
find the disbursement process will be difficult for you, please email
us at *t...@foss4g-oceania.org
* and we will do our best to assist and accommodate
you.

The Travel Grant Program is funded through FOSS4G SotM Oceania, the OSGeo
Foundation, proceeds from our generous sponsors, and contributions from
organisations and individuals. The number of grants available is dependent
on this funding and the number of applications we receive.



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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[John Bryant]

Great questions...

Re: geographic extent, one of the definitions we've been using for other
purposes (eg conference travel grants) is the UN geoscheme for Oceania:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_geoscheme_for_Oceania

But I personally agree that we need to reach out and canvass any local
communities that may exist, for their thoughts. We do have some reach via
existing OSGeo community, mailing lists, travel grant program, and other
networks.

After putting in our best effort, if there are countries where there is no
feedback, are we in a position to form a regional chapter including those
countries, under the assumption that we aren't stepping on any toes?

John

On Sat., 1 Jun. 2019, 9:18 am Ewen Hill,  wrote:

> Andrew John, Ed et al,
>The proposal looks good however do we need to discuss the inclusion of
> Hawaii and perhaps Guam as they may be more appropriate under a US auspices
> or is it best to use the UN definition that excludes a number of these to
> be succinctly clear what is in and what is not.
>
> Ewen
>
> On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 at 15:37, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 27 May 2019 at 13:06, Edoardo Neerhut  wrote:
>>
>>> Simon, you raise a good point! What do you all think is an effective way
>>> to get this input? Reach out to people we know are active mappers in
>>> Oceania and see if they would like their country to be represented?
>>>
>>> On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 21:18, Andrew Harvey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Sat, 18 May 2019 at 19:12, Simon Poole  wrote:

> I think my immediate and largest concern if I was reviewing the
> application (which I am not) would be: Oceania isn't just about
> Australia.
>

 I would expect nothing less from the OSMF.

 Have OSM communities outside of AUS (and NZ) even been addressed? While
> not totally cast in stone, there is an assumption that territorial
> chapters are awarded exclusive rights for the territories in question
> and I'm fairly sure the application will blow up in a big way if this
> is
> not considered.
>

>> I agree that Simon has raised a very valid point, but, without wishing to
>> sound rude or condescending in any way, would the various small island
>> nations have the resources to set up their own Chapters?
>>
>>
>>> I agree. There has been bit of discussion within the OSGeo Oceania
 committee regarding this.

 My opinion is we should only include countries where the local OSM
 community actively voice they want it.

>>>
>> Are there even any OSM mappers in some of them?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] [OSGeo Oceania] FOSS4G SotM Oceania 2019 - programme outline

[John Bryant]

Thanks Adam & program committee, looking great!

The adjustment to having more talks is interesting, I suppose there may be
a bit of a challenge to fill 60 speaking slots out of an audience of 170,
but hey, challenges are good! And personally, I'm hopeful we exceed the 170
target, though it will raise some logistical challenges re: venue.

One of the key messages we got in attendee feedback last year was that
timing was important, we could have done a bit better, and people found
movement between sessions frustrating. There were also quite a few requests
for longer talks, and more time between sessions. The venue layout this
year might help improve the movement between sessions. But sticking with
the 15+5 format, we'll need to be really strict on timing to improve on one
of the key frustrations from last year's event.

On timing:
- Is a 930am start intentional? Feels a bit late to me, but I acknowledge
that some people prefer a late start. But will people's attention start
lagging for the talks late in the day, ie. finishing at 5:40 pm?
- Are 20 minute breaks between sessions long enough? For some people, these
are important slots for networking. This is shorter than last year's 30
minute breaks.

Cheers
John



On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 03:29, adam steer  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> We’d like to share with you our current thinking about the 2019 programme,
> and call for comments.
>
> We need to put it all together and run calls for papers and workshops by
> the end of May - so please spark any debates early! We will close
>  discussion and move toward a fixed plan at the end of April. Let's say 1
> May is ‘close the discussion’ date.
>
> As a rundown we have:
>
> - 2 x 3.5 hour workshop sessions (8 rooms, 16 workshops possible in total)
> - 60 15-20 minute stream talks (4 sessions, 3 streams, 5 talks each
> session)
> - 4 keynotes
> - a mystery hour on day 2, after the initial keynote. this might be a
> panel, a very short unconference, a ’state of [QGIS/OSM/… ]’ plenary talk
> session, or a facilitated community discussion on what we see as prevalent
> issues in the community. We’d like to know what you think, but also reserve
> the right to surprise (and we hope, delight) you
> - a community day, which will be a mix of OSGeo code sprint, mapathons,
> and other OSGeo / OSM related activities.
> - various opportunities for breakfasts and informal socialising, as well
> as an organised conference icebreaker and dinner.
>
> These are laid out here:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17KvFcVn226ay0clCZsBTL0jpbX-4ZMt6nyBfLcF94mE/edit?usp=sharing
>
> There is a bit of variation from the 2018 formula. We’ve tried to add more
> session talks; and hope to find a good provocative keynote to end with (in
> fact we hope to find four excellent and thought provoking / challenging
> keynotes)
>
> Please feel free to comment on the document, respond to the list, or
> myself, with ideas.
>
> Regards
>
> Adam
>
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Re: [talk-au] OSGeo Oceania as a not-for-profit entity? Your feedback, please

[John Bryant]

Hi Sebastian, the question of the available pool of volunteers is a great
question. I feel in the short term, we have sufficient levels of
volunteerism and enthusiasm to get it started, but will need to work on
growing the pool to make it sustainable.

We will need new people getting involved every year. The FOSS4G SotM
Oceania conference will be one way to draw in fresh energy, but there are
other branches of this community, such as these mailing lists and other
events, that can also give people the chance to get involved. Setting up
OSGeo and OSMF local chapters will hopefully be a step in the right
direction, and operating transparently will be important to make sure
people can see opportunities to contribute where they have specific
interests and skills.

For the purposes of setting up an entity - we probably need a core group of
at least ~6 active people to fulfil the executive/director roles and
provide sufficient oversight. The annual conference requires a committee of
something like 5-15 people (it's only the 2nd time around so we're learning
as we go), and there could be additional subcommittees depending on
people's initiative & interest.

IMHO it's the more, the merrier, and the sky is the limit. I think we can
keep this alive with a relatively small group, but the point is to get
people involved and engaged, and collaborating to make things happen, so I
hope we can grow a large pool of contributors.

Anyway - good question, the answer is 'we will see' but I'm optimistic!
This community has a bright future.

Cheers!
John

On Wed, 3 Apr 2019 at 05:41, Sebastian Spiess  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I do welcome the initiative to put OSM and OSGEO interested people onto a
> more solid foundation. Personally I hope this can be a starting point for
> more face-2-face interactions and engagement.
>
> I did read through your proposal and I see no issues with Option2 as
> suggested as favourable.
> For all options there is the need for several people to fill positions
> with varying degrees of liability. Do you have an understanding how big the
> pool of active volunteers is and how many would be required for Option 2?
>
> Cheers,
> Sebastian
>
>
> On 18/3/19 8:01 pm, John Bryant wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As promised, following on the heels of the successful FOSS4G SotM Oceania
> conference <https://foss4g-oceania.org/> in November 2018, we have
> embarked on a journey to lay down a strong foundation for the growth of
> this community. In addition to planning a new instance of the conference in
> Wellington, New Zealand, for November 2019, we are also doing significant
> ground work on establishing a not-for-profit that can manage funds, enter
> into agreements, and act as a local chapter of OSGeo and OSMF.
>
> We have developed a recommendation for an initial path forward, and we'd
> like you, the community, to provide your feedback. If you have experience
> or knowledge here, and can provide insight, or wish to contribute your
> thoughts, please chime in. Your comments are most welcome, and can be
> provided by responding to this email, or by commenting in the Google Doc.
>
> The draft recommendation is attached as a PDF, and a live Google Doc
> version is linked here
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LCoaNY9xACkpE_E1pTn3pGkNV41rqmoK5QkKl2FAfwY/edit?usp=sharing>.
> We will take input until the end of next week (29 March). At that point,
> we'll make adjustments where warranted, and hopefully be in a position to
> raise a motion to the OSGeo Oceania board to accept the recommendation, and
> begin the process.
>
> If this is all new to you, and you're wondering what the heck OSGeo
> Oceania even is, please check out this basic wiki page
> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania> that will give you a bit of
> background. We'll be fleshing this out in the coming months, but I hope it
> gives you enough of an idea. We will certainly be aiming to increase our
> outreach, and get people involved from across the region.
>
> Any questions, please ask!
>
> Cheers
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> on behalf of OSGeo Oceania
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Re: [talk-au] [OSGeo Oceania] OSGeo/OSM talk accepted at C3DIS

[John Bryant]

Great news Adam, congratulations and thanks for keeping us posted! I'll
watch the repo with interest. Let me know if I can help...

On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 12:25, adam steer  wrote:

> hey folks
>
> I pitched a talk about the growing OSGeo Oceania community at the C3DIS
> conference (http://www.c3dis.com) and it was accepted as an oral
> presentation.
>
> Why? C3DIS is all about computational and data intensive science - and
> much of that relies on the geospatial tools and data this community builds
> and maintains. So it’s a bit of a PR / community building exercise; and
> timing is a couple weeks ahead of the scheduled call for 2019 FOSS4G SotM
> Oceania papers. it’s also introducing our new organisation - so some timing
> is a bit ambitious.
>
> Title and abstract below, I’ll build a revealJS-based talk here:
> https://github.com/adamsteer/c3dis2019 - so please feel free to dump
> relevant thoughts as issues; and help shape the conversation we want to
> have with the ‘big science computers’ community.
>
> Cheers
>
> Adam
>
> ---
>
> Title: The open geospatial community in Oceania
>
> Abstract:
> The Open Geospatial Foundation (OSgeo) and the Open Streetmap Foundation
> (OSMF) have been mainstays in support of; and advocacy for; open geospatial
> software and data for many years.
>
> OSGeo supports foundational geospatial tooling used across the eResearch
> community - from invisible infrastructure (GDAL; Proj4; pyWPS; Zoo-WPS ) to
> prominent user-focussed, user facing applications (QGIS, geonode,
> geoserver, geonetwork, leafletJS; openlayers) - to name just a few.
>
> In 2009, an international conference of the OSGeo foundation was held in
> Sydney; and after a long hiatus, the community was revived in 2018. The
> result was a sold-out joint conference of the OSGeo and OSMF communities
> for the Oceania region in Melbourne. This was both an incredible show of
> community support, and an incredible showcase of open source innovation in
> the region.
>
> …and the momentum continues. By the time C3DIS happens, there will be a
> fully-fledged local OSGeo Oceania organisation, aimed at supporting a
> regional community of open source geo-developers, geo-users, and
> geo-enablers - and 2019 conference organisation will be in full swing.
>
> This talk will be about charting the journey of OSGeo Oceania so far, and
> how the eResearch community in Australia and Oceania can engage with,
> support, and benefit from this local and global community.
>
> Come and join the party!
>
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Re: [talk-au] [OSGeo Oceania] OSGeo Oceania as a not-for-profit entity? Your feedback, please

[John Bryant]

Hi Bruce, we're hoping to wrap up this comment period on the 29th, it would
be good to take your comments into account before we embark on a course of
action if possible.

Can you be a bit more specific about which email you're referring to (or
does someone else perhaps know)? Alternatively are you able to provide a
summary here?

In any case, we will of course always be open to discussion on the
direction of this organisation!

Cheers
John

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 18:13, Bruce Bannerman <
bruce.bannerman.os...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> I’m currently travelling through Outback Australia with severely limited
> Internet access.
>
> I intend making comments, but will not be able to do so until early April,
> after I return.
>
> For starters, see my earlier email on liability on the AustNZ list several
> months ago.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Bruce
>
> On 18 Mar 2019, at 19:31, John Bryant  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As promised, following on the heels of the successful FOSS4G SotM Oceania
> conference <https://foss4g-oceania.org/> in November 2018, we have
> embarked on a journey to lay down a strong foundation for the growth of
> this community. In addition to planning a new instance of the conference in
> Wellington, New Zealand, for November 2019, we are also doing significant
> ground work on establishing a not-for-profit that can manage funds, enter
> into agreements, and act as a local chapter of OSGeo and OSMF.
>
> We have developed a recommendation for an initial path forward, and we'd
> like you, the community, to provide your feedback. If you have experience
> or knowledge here, and can provide insight, or wish to contribute your
> thoughts, please chime in. Your comments are most welcome, and can be
> provided by responding to this email, or by commenting in the Google Doc.
>
> The draft recommendation is attached as a PDF, and a live Google Doc
> version is linked here
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LCoaNY9xACkpE_E1pTn3pGkNV41rqmoK5QkKl2FAfwY/edit?usp=sharing>.
> We will take input until the end of next week (29 March). At that point,
> we'll make adjustments where warranted, and hopefully be in a position to
> raise a motion to the OSGeo Oceania board to accept the recommendation, and
> begin the process.
>
> If this is all new to you, and you're wondering what the heck OSGeo
> Oceania even is, please check out this basic wiki page
> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania> that will give you a bit of
> background. We'll be fleshing this out in the coming months, but I hope it
> gives you enough of an idea. We will certainly be aiming to increase our
> outreach, and get people involved from across the region.
>
> Any questions, please ask!
>
> Cheers
> John Bryant
> on behalf of OSGeo Oceania
>
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Re: [talk-au] OSGeo Oceania as a not-for-profit entity? Your feedback, please

[John Bryant]

Thanks for the feedback Graeme. I agree 100% with holding an AGM &
producing financial reports. In all likelihood, we'd aim for holding an AGM
at the annual conference, which is easily our best opportunity for a
face-to-face meeting. Details will be sorted out in due course, but I
definitely encourage you to keep our feet to the fire on this :)

Re: getting professional help. I agree - it's not necessarily hugely
complicated. However I think what we're facing is a bit of complexity in
the order of operations, and optimising the process. While we could likely
figure it out ourselves, it would be helpful to have someone with
experience to save us time & effort, and possibly help us avoid making
mistakes. So, the thinking behind paying a professional is to 1) lighten
the volunteer load a bit, while 2) ensuring we do this correctly and
efficiently. That said, if there is someone in the community who has
experience with this, and wants to lend a hand, let's talk...

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 at 06:42, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

> Thanks for keeping us posted, John, & good work!
>
> I'd agree with the suggestion of a stand-alone CLG as a SPC, together with
> charity status.
>
> Although, as you have noted, this combination reduces the need for an AGM
> & Financial reporting; in the interest of transparency, I would urge you to
> still hold an AGM & produce financial reports for the benefit of members.
> This would / should not need to be a fully audited report produced by an
> accountant - anybody who is capable of entering info into QuickBooks can
> produce a simple profit & loss statement to show where money has come from,
> & gone to, over the preceeding year.
>
> Do you need to get professional help in setting the Company up? While
> there is a bit involved, it is all relatively straight-forward, & mainly
> involves filling out govt forms (which, to anybody able to use the OSM
> wiki, should be a piece of cake! :-)) Having said that, my experience is
> only with Incorporated Associations, so a CLG may be a bit different, but
> shouldn't be hugely more complicated?
>
> Good luck with it all!
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 19:04, John Bryant  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As promised, following on the heels of the successful FOSS4G SotM
>> Oceania conference <https://foss4g-oceania.org/> in November 2018, we
>> have embarked on a journey to lay down a strong foundation for the growth
>> of this community. In addition to planning a new instance of the conference
>> in Wellington, New Zealand, for November 2019, we are also doing
>> significant ground work on establishing a not-for-profit that can manage
>> funds, enter into agreements, and act as a local chapter of OSGeo and OSMF.
>>
>> We have developed a recommendation for an initial path forward, and we'd
>> like you, the community, to provide your feedback. If you have experience
>> or knowledge here, and can provide insight, or wish to contribute your
>> thoughts, please chime in. Your comments are most welcome, and can be
>> provided by responding to this email, or by commenting in the Google Doc.
>>
>> The draft recommendation is attached as a PDF, and a live Google Doc
>> version is linked here
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LCoaNY9xACkpE_E1pTn3pGkNV41rqmoK5QkKl2FAfwY/edit?usp=sharing>.
>> We will take input until the end of next week (29 March). At that point,
>> we'll make adjustments where warranted, and hopefully be in a position to
>> raise a motion to the OSGeo Oceania board to accept the recommendation, and
>> begin the process.
>>
>> If this is all new to you, and you're wondering what the heck OSGeo
>> Oceania even is, please check out this basic wiki page
>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Oceania> that will give you a bit of
>> background. We'll be fleshing this out in the coming months, but I hope it
>> gives you enough of an idea. We will certainly be aiming to increase our
>> outreach, and get people involved from across the region.
>>
>> Any questions, please ask!
>>
>> Cheers
>> John Bryant
>> on behalf of OSGeo Oceania
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[John Bryant]

Maritjn, thank you, that would be much appreciated!

Andrew Harvey is on our Board and will likely want to be involved in this
as well, I imagine. There has been some talk about an OSM sub-committee of
sorts, I suppose this will come in due course but thought it might become
relevant to this discussion.

Re: timing - I'd think we'd be keen to gain local chapter status as soon as
possible after we form an entity (targeting end April), so perhaps we can
aim to make a submission to OSMF in early May? This would likely help us
build up the SotM part of FOSS4G SotM Oceania...

Cheers
John

On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 08:07, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> John — I used to be OSMF secretary and have guided multiple local groups
> through the OSMF LC application process. I am no longer on the board but
> know the current secretary, and am happy to help with the process if needed.
>
> Martijn
>
> On Mar 4, 2019, at 8:41 PM, John Bryant  wrote:
>
> Hi Graeme, thanks a lot for bringing it up, it's a good opportunity to
> share a work-in-progress.
>
> Yes, there is work going on right now, and apologies for not making it
> more widely known... we're scrambling a bit to pull together both this and
> the 2019 conference, trying to get a number of balls rolling at once.
>
> The committee that organised FOSS4G SotM Oceania in November is in the
> process of doing the legwork to form an entity. Right now, we are pulling
> together a draft recommendation that we'll share with the community for
> feedback. Aiming to have this draft complete by the 15th, and then open it
> up to the community for a two week consultation period. Presuming that
> leads to a recommendation to form an entity, we should have something in
> place by the end of April.
>
> Forming local chapters of OSMF and OSGeo is one of the key reasons to do
> this - also it will make it a lot easier to manage funds and sign contracts
> when organising community events like the conference.
>
> Again, sorry for the lack of communication - we definitely intend to grow
> this organisation, the immediate priority is to build a strong foundation,
> and to do this we need to communicate. Hopefully we can catch our breath
> shortly here and re-prioritise the engagement of the community. In the
> meantime, what kinds of activities would you see a local chapter of OSMF
> undertaking?
>
> Cheers
> John
>
> On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 13:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
> wrote:
>
>> There was mention late last year of setting up a local Chapter
>>
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2018-December/012227.html,
>> but haven't heard anything further since?
>>
>> Just been doing some random browsing & found this
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Australia,
>> which discussed the same thing back in 2010.
>>
>> Is any of that info still relevant?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Local Chapter

[John Bryant]

Hi Graeme, thanks a lot for bringing it up, it's a good opportunity to
share a work-in-progress.

Yes, there is work going on right now, and apologies for not making it more
widely known... we're scrambling a bit to pull together both this and the
2019 conference, trying to get a number of balls rolling at once.

The committee that organised FOSS4G SotM Oceania in November is in the
process of doing the legwork to form an entity. Right now, we are pulling
together a draft recommendation that we'll share with the community for
feedback. Aiming to have this draft complete by the 15th, and then open it
up to the community for a two week consultation period. Presuming that
leads to a recommendation to form an entity, we should have something in
place by the end of April.

Forming local chapters of OSMF and OSGeo is one of the key reasons to do
this - also it will make it a lot easier to manage funds and sign contracts
when organising community events like the conference.

Again, sorry for the lack of communication - we definitely intend to grow
this organisation, the immediate priority is to build a strong foundation,
and to do this we need to communicate. Hopefully we can catch our breath
shortly here and re-prioritise the engagement of the community. In the
meantime, what kinds of activities would you see a local chapter of OSMF
undertaking?

Cheers
John

On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 13:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
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> There was mention late last year of setting up a local Chapter
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2018-December/012227.html,
> but haven't heard anything further since?
>
> Just been doing some random browsing & found this
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/Australia,
> which discussed the same thing back in 2010.
>
> Is any of that info still relevant?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [talk-au] Able to host a tile.osm.org CDN node?

[John Bryant]

Hi Grant, it would be great to have something up and running here. What
kind of org usually provides this elsewhere? Unis, companies, individuals?
Is there a technical maintenance component required, or is this just
hardware? AWS has a Sydney location, would this be a viable option?

Thanks, John

On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 at 06:55, Grant Slater 
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> Hi OpenStreetMap Talk-AU,
>
> Quick Introduction: I am part of the volunteer Operations team who run
> the OpenStreetMap.org infrastructure.
>
> Our tile.openstreetmap.org CDN would greatly benefit from having a
> cache server in Australia and/or New Zealand. It would make the
> default rendered map on OpenStreetMap.org much faster for Australians.
>
> The live CDN Country -> Edge Cache Mapping:
> https://dns.openstreetmap.org/tile.openstreetmap.org.html
>
> Know anyone who could help?
> We're ideally looking for a physical server or powerful VM with 8GB+
> RAM and at least 146GB of storage.
> More details here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers/Tile_CDN
>
> Our current peak AU traffic is currently around 18,000,000 Bits per second.
>
> Full breakdown here in bps:
>
> https://git.openstreetmap.org/dns.git/blob/HEAD:/bandwidth/tile.openstreetmap.yml
>
> Feel free to contact me off-list if you prefer.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Grant
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Re: [talk-au] OSMF Local Chapter discussions

[John Bryant]

Thanks Andrew! I'm hopeful this will be seen as a positive move, taken in
the spirit it's intended - to enable and empower the OSM and open source
geospatial communities to work together with common purpose.

For this new organisation (OSGeo Oceania) to legitimately claim to
represent the OSM community, it will certainly need ongoing engagement from
OSM people from around the region. Ideally this will include active
participation in the governance & management of the organisation.
Representation of the OSM community on the board of the new org is
explicitly stated as an objective in the newly-written Terms of Reference
.

Looking forward to carrying on the discussion.

Cheers!
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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania meeting minutes

[John Bryant]

Hi all, minutes from last Friday's FOSS4G SotM Oceania organising committee
meeting are now posted on the wiki page here:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G-SOTM-Oceania

As we're beginning a more frequent meeting cycle in the last 7 weeks before
the conference, I'll stop posting these updates to the mailing list here,
but will continue to upload minutes to the wiki page.

To keep up to date with the latest highlights, you can sign up to our
announcements mailing list & follow news posts on the website, follow us on
Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn, or sign up to the foss4g-oceania-discuss list.

Cheers!
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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania meeting minutes

[John Bryant]

FYI:

Minutes from the fortnightly FOSS4G SotM Oceania organising committee
meeting (2018-09-14) are available at:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1O3gKVdDckKD1mgWaxf6pgEBDXTWQG9y7

Highlights:

   - program selection underway, program to be announced soon
   - Travel Grant Program extended with additional funding from OSGeo

We're picking up the pace here, and will begin weekly meetings until the
conference in <2 months.

Cheers!
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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania meeting minutes

[John Bryant]

Hi,

Minutes from the fortnightly FOSS4G SotM Oceania organising committee
meeting (2018-08-31) are available at:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1b6_fw5QbGJhRWLT8lkmrSNA9awaOSRPz

10 weeks to go until conference time, things are getting real! Please get
in touch if you have any questions or wish to get involved.

Cheers
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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania meeting minutes

[John Bryant]

Hi everyone,

Minutes from the fortnightly FOSS4G SotM Oceania committee meeting
(2018-08-17) are available at:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1lw2Hqy3s-_YYMQVWCwGTGzmToVivl0fw

With only 86 days to go, things are definitely ramping up! Highlights
include:

   - Workshop program is finalised and registrations are open
   - Presentation submissions closing very soon
   - Travel Grant Program to be launched very soon
   - Icebreaker social event is confirmed

More info is available on the website . As
always, feel free to get in touch if you have any questions or thoughts you
want to share with us.

Cheers
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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania meeting minutes

[John Bryant]

Hi all,

Another edition of the fortnightly meeting minutes from the FOSS4G SotM
organising committee is available here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Dptq91Z5ZeygiYLhw-APYk5Y_pnYTjdp

Key updates:
- Welcome to new committee member Vasiti Soko
- OSGeo will likely provide financial support for the Community Day
- Solid response to workshop submissions, selections to be finalised in the
next few days
- Support for Women's Breakfast event to be provided by Good Mojo fund

Cheers
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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania meeting minutes

[John Bryant]

Hi all,

Minutes from last Friday's meeting are posted here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jhdT713VhjADM-4LedlRkW3XsVokt-Vm

Significant updates:
- Early bird tickets have sold out!
- Keynote speakers are announced (see website )
- Community Day proposals are open
 for
your ideas

A reminder, we have an email list for attendees to get in touch with each
other (sign up here
). You can
use this resource for all kinds of stuff, eg. get feedback about a
presentation idea, some have suggested it could be used to find people to
share childminding/accommodation/rides, whatever you like!

Cheers
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Re: [talk-au] Foss4G-SotM Oceania OSM Workshops

[John Bryant]

Thanks Philip!

Just a wee point of clarification - right now we're seeking submissions for
the Workshop Day, which is Tuesday 20th November. Community Day will be on
the Friday, and we'll also want ideas for that - but the current drive is
for Workshop Day, with a deadline of 31 July (less than 2 weeks away!).

There'll be a keen audience looking to learn more about engaging with OSM,
what would you want to teach them in a 3.5 hour, hands-on session in a
first class training facility at Melbourne Uni? Or even in an outdoor
session, for that matter? All ideas welcome!

Cheers
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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania meeting minutes

[John Bryant]

Hi all,

Meeting minutes from our 22 June meeting are posted here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qcQusCTkUawjFT0-vOJALLX_IK0gGZSG

Some significant updates:
- Call for Presentations & Workshops is live here:
https://foss4g-oceania.org/present/call-presentations-and-workshops
- Early Bird registration is live here:
https://foss4g-oceania.org/attend/registration

... and some big announcements coming soon!

As always, get in touch with us at  ad...@foss4g-oceania.org.

Cheers!
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Re: [talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania

[John Bryant]

Thanks for highlighting this here Andrew.

Any & all submissions about open data, open source spatial, OSM will be
welcome! There's scope for talks about the community as well, they don't
have to be technical in nature. It's YOUR conference, bring to it what
interests you :)

We'll be accepting submissions for workshops until 31 July, and for
presentations until 31 August. After the closing dates, we'll open up a
community vote on the (anonymised) submissions, to find out what's getting
people's attention, then we'll do a blind review to finalise the selection.

Also, we're starting to plan the free Community Day now, so interested to
hear what ideas you might have to make it fun & engaging.

Looking forward to seeing what's on the OSM community's mind!

cc'ing the NZ-Talk list as well.

Cheers
John


On Thu, 28 Jun 2018 at 07:53, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
wrote:

>
> On 27 June 2018 at 19:53, Andrew Harvey  wrote:
>
>>
>> If you have something you'd like to talk about related to OSM and are
>> able to make it to the conference, please consider putting a submission in.
>>
>
> G'day Andrew
>
> I thought that would have been *you* talking about getting open access to
> all forms of Gov't Data! :-)
>
> Thanks
>
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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania meeting minutes

[John Bryant]

Hi all,

Just to keep you posted, minutes from our meeting last week are posted
here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zfGVIgwW8Mdge-cIXO3msKB_ScU-Iv4z

By way of a few highlights:
- Our Call for Papers will open early next week, check out our website for
details on what & how to submit. Spread the word!
- We have commitments from some great sponsors, so the funding is coming
through, and it's becoming more real by the day. Thanks to North Road and
Alantgeo for signing up early, more sponsors will be confirmed and
announced soon.
- Planning has begun for the Community Day - get in touch if you have ideas
for events to be held on the free day following the conference.

For those keen to follow along on the conference planning journey, we've
started a new OSGeo mailing list specifically dedicated to discussion about
organising this event. It's open to the public, so feel free to subscribe
here: https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/foss4g-oceania

We're just over 5 months away from kicking this thing off. Still mountains
of work to do! If you want to get involved on the day, or during the
planning process, drop us a line at ad...@foss4g-oceania.org.

Cheers
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[talk-au] FOSS4G-SotM Oceania, meeting minutes 2018-05-25

[John Bryant]

Hi folks,

We're officially less than 6 months away from FOSS4g-SotM Oceania. There's
plenty of activity taking place to pull the threads together, and a huge
amount of work left to do, but things are starting to come together and
it's going to be an exciting, can't-miss event!

For those interested, minutes from our most recent meeting (last Friday)
are posted on our wiki page here
.

Highlights include:

   - finalised partnership agreement with SSSI to act as a guarantor for
   the event
   - kicking off our sponsorship drive

To receive announcements by email, be sure to sign up for our mailing list
at http://foss4g-oceania.org. We'll also be posting news items there, and
on our Twitter feed . Keep an eye out
for our call for presentations & workshops, and the opening of early bird
registrations... coming soon.

Questions? Drop us a line at ad...@foss4g-oceania.org. For prospective
sponsors, please get in touch with us at sponsors...@foss4g-oceania.org, so
we can make sure you have a chance to get involved.

Looking forward to seeing you in Melbourne in November!

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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania meeting minutes, 4 May 2018

[John Bryant]

Hi all,

Minutes for 2018-05-04 meeting can be viewed here
.

As always, please drop us a line at ad...@foss4g-oceania.org if you want to
get in touch.

Stay tuned for announcements about call for presentations and registration
in the next few weeks!

Cheers
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Re: [talk-au] NSW Protected Areas Data Imports

[John Bryant]

Interesting. How do you import a shapefile like this to OSM? I'm curious
because I do a bit of spatial ETL, but I've only ever done manual edits ins
OSM.

On 26 April 2018 at 15:20, Andrew Harvey  wrote:

> I've noticed in NSW, protected areas have been very heavily imported.
>
> Given we now have the CC BY 4.0 waiver for NPWS's open data it might be
> worth taking a look at their Estate data as it appears to be the most
> frequently updated at every 3 months (last updated 31st March 2018),
> compared to CAPAD which is only bi-annually.
>
> See the NPWS entries at https://wiki.openstreetmap.
> org/wiki/Australian_Data_Catalogue
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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania update

[John Bryant]

*** UPDATE **What: FOSS4G-SotM OceaniaWhen: 20-23 November,
2018Where: University of MelbourneHi all,Fortnightly conference committee
meeting was held on Friday, please find meeting minutes here
.Highlights:-
conference website is launched at http://foss4g-oceania.org
- solid progress made on developing the program
& shortlisting keynotes, finalising the sponsorship prospectus, and
finalising the Code of Conduct- conference dinner venue is booked
(Brunswick Mess Hall)*
Things will start to develop fairly quickly from here, and we'll be opening
early bird registrations and issuing calls for papers & workshops somewhere
around late May/early June. Watch this space!

Cheers
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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania - keynote speakers

[John Bryant]

Hi all,

We're starting to think about inviting keynote speakers for the conference,
and we'd love to get your input. We expect to reach a diverse audience,
with representation from various countries, professions, genders, cultural
backgrounds, and levels of experience, so we need to make sure our array of
keynote speakers can appeal to this audience.

In the current working draft of the schedule
,
there are slots for 5 keynote speakers.

So, what are your thoughts? Are there any broad themes you feel must be
addressed? Do you have anyone in mind who can speak well, has a great story
to tell, and can provide a thoughtful perspective on where we're headed as
a community? Or perhaps someone who has particularly interesting and
relevant experience, and can use that to catalyse new threads of discussion?

Though our community is regionally-based, we are part of a greater global
community. Of the 5 keynote slots, most should come from within our region,
but there is some scope for international speakers. We have a modest budget
for assisting with keynote travel costs.

Please let us know, either on this list or by direct email at
ad...@foss4g-oceania.org. Hope to hear from you!

Cheers
John


FOSS4G SotM Oceania

20-23 November 2018 
Melbourne, Australia 
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[talk-au] FOSS4G SotM Oceania update

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*** UPDATE ***

What: *FOSS4G-SotM Oceania*
When: *20-23 November, 2018*
Where: *University of Melbourne*

Hi all

We're still 226 days away from Day 1, but there is a diligent crew of
people hammering away on pulling this thing together. Things are shaping up
beautifully, this is going to be a fun event!

We've taken on a fortnightly committee meeting cadence, and we last met on
Friday the 6th of April. Please find minutes for this meeting (and all
previous ones) on our wiki page
.

A few key highlights to share:
- dates are now confirmed: 20-23 November 2018
- venue is confirmed: Old Arts Building at the University of Melbourne
- we took a survey of the community on topics of interest, and received 50
responses
- plenty of progress on forging key partnerships, and planning of scheduling,
workshops, and registration

We're aiming to keep communicating via this email list, but we're also very
close to launching our spiffy new website - check back in the next week or
so at http://foss4g-oceania.org for event updates & information. For those
interested in following the planning process as it unfolds, we're posting
minutes on the wiki , and
working planning documents in our Google Drive folder

.

Heading to Locate in Adelaide this week? Some of our committee members will
be there... keep an eye out for Alex Leith, Greg Lauer, Kristy Van Putten,
Trisha Moriarty, and Adam Steer. Find Alex at GeoRabble and ask him for a
FOSS4G-SotM Oceania sticker for your laptop! (but please save one for me)

We want to hear from you! Get in touch with us:

Email: ad...@foss4g-oceania.org

Twitter: @FOSS4G_Oceania 


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[talk-au] FOSS4G-SotM-Oceania survey - conference topics

[John Bryant]

Hi all,

We've put together a very short survey to get your input on what you'd like
to see at the upcoming November regional FOSS4G/State of the Map Conference
in Melbourne.

Would love to get your feedback at this early stage, while we begin
considerations on content.

Please take 3 minutes and let us know what's on your mind!
https://t.co/RJ5wpk72WH

Cheers
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[talk-au] Fwd: FOSS4G SOTM Oceania update

[John Bryant]

Hi all,

We've begun a fortnightly cadence of committee meetings to make sure we
build & maintain some momentum on organising the November conference. We
had our last meeting on the 16th, and minutes can be found on the wiki
.

Highlights include:

   - We have a logo! now to put it to use...
   - We've visited possible conference venues
   - Progress made on developing the budget & a sponsorship prospectus
   - Some discussion around a possible travel grant fund to provide
   assistance to attendees who might not be able to attend otherwise

Participation & discussion amongst the community is welcomed! If you're
curious to learn more, drop us a line at ad...@foss4g-oceania.org, or check
out these resources:

   - the wiki 
   - the Google Drive folder
   

   - **

Next meeting will be called very soon.

John
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