Re: [Talk-ko] NTIC source

[Martijn van Exel]

That is really useful information. I think an OSM wiki page is in order.
I created one that points to this thread. Please expand if you have more
information. Thanks all for your help clearing this up!
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Korea/NTIC_Import

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On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, at 02:47, Andrew Errington wrote:
> Hello Martijn,
> 
> This was probably uploaded by user 'cyana' in 2009. He (or she)
> announced it in the following message to my OSM message system (and
> may have announced it in other ways: talk-ko didn't exist then).> 
> --- Start of message
> 
> massive upload road data


>   cyana[1]
> 6 July 2009 at 07:47
> Dear mappers of South Korea!


> I would like to notice in advance to you that I will upload South
> Korea Standard road data(source: National Traffic Information Center)
> to the OSM server on Wednesday or Thursday (2009-07-08/09).> I spent a month 
> modifying NTIC road data for OSM...


> --- message shortened for brevity


> At the time, Korea was pretty sparse in terms of road coverage and
> POIs. But there was a problem when the import was done. Roads were
> duplicated and overlaid, and, obviously, didn't join up with existing
> roads. Often, chunks of road from the new data were missing too, so it
> didn't all join up with itself.> 
> The NTIC data was not quite up-to-date either. For the last decade or
> so Korea has been building roads at an astonishing pace. New major
> roads have been constructed. Existing roads have been upgraded, and
> even minor roads have been realigned or generally improved. So the
> NTIC data was useful, but old, and still a lot of work was required to
> map Korea.> 
> It's quite possible that some roads tagged 'NTIC' have just been
> extended from that import, and the tag has been retained.> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 16:55 Maarten van den Hoven
>  wrote:>> Hi all,
>> 
>> On this page of the NTIC website there is a small legal section.
>> https://intl.its.go.kr/en/01_01>> 
>> National Transport System Efficiency ActArticle 89 (Encouragement of
>> Private Participation and Advancement into Overseas Markets)>> ④ The 
>> Minister of Land, Infrastructure and Transport may designate
>> and run an agency dedicated to support work under Article 89.3 above
>> according to the Presidential Decree *to support international
>> cooperation and overseas market entry of industry related to
>> intelligent transport systems.*>> **
>> I am not legal expert but to me this implies that it can be used by
>> international organisations. However, it doesn't say anything about
>> the procedure or how it can be used. I suggest contacting the NTIC
>> about this.>> But as Martijn said earlier, you have to be sure the source is
>> actually the National Transport Information Center. Therefore, first
>> contacting the users who used that source would be best.>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:18 PM Martijn van Exel  wrote:>>> 
>> __
>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 20:39, Robert Helvie wrote:
 Martijn ,
 
 If you haven't found it yet, it is the National Transport
 Information Center https://intl.its.go.kr/index_en
 
 Apparently there is an API there for use. But being "national" I
 suspect the law against transferring Korean geospatial data to
 places outside Korean control is still the governing factor. You can 
 use the API to look at the data, but I would expect they
 would frown on the practice of tracing the data into the OSM
 database.>>> 
>>> Are you positive this "National Transport Information Center" is the
>>> source referred to here?>>> Since there are already more than 40,000 ways 
>>> (I didn't count nodes)
>>> with source=NTIC, I guess people have already done so at some scale.
>>> Is there any way to trace back who / what group did this and what
>>> permissions, if any, they sought?>>> The best I can do is list the top 5 
>>> users who most recently edited
>>> ways with source=NTIC:>>> 
>>> octel
>>> lorenzo23622
>>> _Jibril
>>> 류제건
>>> orangelemonjelly
>>> 
>>> Anyone know these folks?
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>>>   m...@rtijn.org
>>> 
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Links:

  1. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/cyana
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Re: [Talk-ko] NTIC source

[Andrew Errington]

Hello Martijn,

This was probably uploaded by user 'cyana' in 2009. He (or she) announced
it in the following message to my OSM message system (and may have
announced it in other ways: talk-ko didn't exist then).

--- Start of message

massive upload road data
 cyana 
6 July 2009 at 07:47

Dear mappers of South Korea!

I would like to notice in advance to you that I will upload South Korea
Standard road data(source: National Traffic Information Center) to the OSM
server on Wednesday or Thursday (2009-07-08/09).

I spent a month modifying NTIC road data for OSM...

--- message shortened for brevity
At the time, Korea was pretty sparse in terms of road coverage and POIs.
But there was a problem when the import was done. Roads were duplicated and
overlaid, and, obviously, didn't join up with existing roads. Often, chunks
of road from the new data were missing too, so it didn't all join up with
itself.

The NTIC data was not quite up-to-date either. For the last decade or so
Korea has been building roads at an astonishing pace. New major roads have
been constructed. Existing roads have been upgraded, and even minor roads
have been realigned or generally improved. So the NTIC data was useful, but
old, and still a lot of work was required to map Korea.

It's quite possible that some roads tagged 'NTIC' have just been extended
from that import, and the tag has been retained.

Best wishes,

Andrew


On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 16:55 Maarten van den Hoven 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On this page of the NTIC website there is a small legal section.
> https://intl.its.go.kr/en/01_01
>
> National Transport System Efficiency ActArticle 89 (Encouragement of
> Private Participation and Advancement into Overseas Markets)
> ④ The Minister of Land, Infrastructure and Transport may designate and run
> an agency dedicated to support work under Article 89.3 above according to
> the Presidential Decree *to support international cooperation and
> overseas market entry of industry related to intelligent transport systems.*
>
> I am not legal expert but to me this implies that it can be used by
> international organisations. However, it doesn't say anything about the
> procedure or how it can be used. I suggest contacting the NTIC about this.
> But as Martijn said earlier, you have to be sure the source is actually
> the National Transport Information Center. Therefore, first contacting the
> users who used that source would be best.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:18 PM Martijn van Exel  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 20:39, Robert Helvie wrote:
>>
>> Martijn ,
>>
>> If you haven't found it yet, it is the National Transport Information
>> Center
>> https://intl.its.go.kr/index_en
>>
>> Apparently there is an API there for use. But being "national" I suspect
>> the law against transferring Korean geospatial data to places outside
>> Korean control is still the governing factor.
>> You can use the API to look at the data, but I would expect they would
>> frown on the practice of tracing the data into the OSM database.
>>
>>
>> Are you positive this "National Transport Information Center" is the
>> source referred to here?
>> Since there are already more than 40,000 ways (I didn't count nodes) with
>> source=NTIC, I guess people have already done so at some scale. Is there
>> any way to trace back who / what group did this and what permissions, if
>> any, they sought?
>> The best I can do is list the top 5 users who most recently edited ways
>> with source=NTIC:
>>
>> octel
>> lorenzo23622
>> _Jibril
>> 류제건
>> orangelemonjelly
>>
>> Anyone know these folks?
>> --
>>   Martijn van Exel
>>   m...@rtijn.org
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-ko] NTIC source

[Maarten van den Hoven]

Hi all,

On this page of the NTIC website there is a small legal section.
https://intl.its.go.kr/en/01_01

National Transport System Efficiency ActArticle 89 (Encouragement of
Private Participation and Advancement into Overseas Markets)
④ The Minister of Land, Infrastructure and Transport may designate and run
an agency dedicated to support work under Article 89.3 above according to
the Presidential Decree *to support international cooperation and overseas
market entry of industry related to intelligent transport systems.*

I am not legal expert but to me this implies that it can be used by
international organisations. However, it doesn't say anything about the
procedure or how it can be used. I suggest contacting the NTIC about this.
But as Martijn said earlier, you have to be sure the source is actually
the National Transport Information Center. Therefore, first contacting the
users who used that source would be best.




On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:18 PM Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 20:39, Robert Helvie wrote:
>
> Martijn ,
>
> If you haven't found it yet, it is the National Transport Information
> Center
> https://intl.its.go.kr/index_en
>
> Apparently there is an API there for use. But being "national" I suspect
> the law against transferring Korean geospatial data to places outside
> Korean control is still the governing factor.
> You can use the API to look at the data, but I would expect they would
> frown on the practice of tracing the data into the OSM database.
>
>
> Are you positive this "National Transport Information Center" is the
> source referred to here?
> Since there are already more than 40,000 ways (I didn't count nodes) with
> source=NTIC, I guess people have already done so at some scale. Is there
> any way to trace back who / what group did this and what permissions, if
> any, they sought?
> The best I can do is list the top 5 users who most recently edited ways
> with source=NTIC:
>
> octel
> lorenzo23622
> _Jibril
> 류제건
> orangelemonjelly
>
> Anyone know these folks?
> --
>   Martijn van Exel
>   m...@rtijn.org
>
>
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Re: [Talk-ko] NTIC source

[Martijn van Exel]

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, at 20:39, Robert Helvie wrote:
> Martijn ,
> 
> If you haven't found it yet, it is the National Transport
> Information Center> https://intl.its.go.kr/index_en
> 
> Apparently there is an API there for use. But being "national" I
> suspect the law against transferring Korean geospatial data to places
> outside Korean control is still the governing factor.> You can use the API to 
> look at the data, but I would expect they would
> frown on the practice of tracing the data into the OSM database.
Are you positive this "National Transport Information Center" is the
source referred to here?Since there are already more than 40,000 ways (I didn't 
count nodes)
with source=NTIC, I guess people have already done so at some scale. Is
there any way to trace back who / what group did this and what
permissions, if any, they sought?The best I can do is list the top 5 users who 
most recently edited ways
with source=NTIC:
octel
lorenzo23622
_Jibril
류제건
orangelemonjelly

Anyone know these folks?
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Re: [Talk-ko] NTIC source

[Robert Helvie]

Martijn ,

If you haven't found it yet, it is the National Transport Information Center
https://intl.its.go.kr/index_en

Apparently there is an API there for use. But being "national" I suspect
the law against transferring Korean geospatial data to places outside
Korean control is still the governing factor.
You can use the API to look at the data, but I would expect they would
frown on the practice of tracing the data into the OSM database.



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On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 7:40 AM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Sorry for posting in English.
>
> I was looking at source tags and noticed over 40.000 ways with source NTIC
> in South Korea. I was wondering what this source is, and how the data ended
> up in OSM. It occurs so many times I suspect it was some kind of import?
>
> If it is a government data source, would this data impact how OSM data for
> South Korea can be used outside of the country, since there seems to be
> legislation that limits exporting results of 'fundamental survey' [1]?
>
> [1] http://elaw.klri.re.kr/eng_service/lawView.do?hseq=32771&lang=ENG&;
> See Article 16
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[Talk-ko] NTIC source

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all, 

Sorry for posting in English.

I was looking at source tags and noticed over 40.000 ways with source NTIC in 
South Korea. I was wondering what this source is, and how the data ended up in 
OSM. It occurs so many times I suspect it was some kind of import?

If it is a government data source, would this data impact how OSM data for 
South Korea can be used outside of the country, since there seems to be 
legislation that limits exporting results of 'fundamental survey' [1]?

[1] http://elaw.klri.re.kr/eng_service/lawView.do?hseq=32771&lang=ENG&; See 
Article 16
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