Re: [Talk-ko] What is 'English' anyways?

[Max]

On 2015년 10월 29일 00:27, Changwoo Ryu wrote:
> 2015-10-28 15:55 GMT+09:00 Max :
> 
>> Very interesting discussion!
>>
>> Out of curiosity I just checked how stuff in China and Taiwan are
>> mapped. The "name=value" just contains the characters obviously, but
>> some are additionally tagged with "name:zh=value" some use
>> "name:zh_pinyin" https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/name:zh_pinyin
>> The (correct) "name:zh_HANS" or "name:zh_HANT" is not in use on OSM
>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4892372/language-codes-for-simplified-chinese-and-traditional-chinese#4894634
>>
>> I am not a linguist, so maybe someone could explain why Hanja is not the
>> same as traditional Chinese?
> 
> As English is not the same as German? Languages change over time,
> distance and people. Not just characters are diferent, meaning and
> usage are often diferent in Korea or in Japan.
> 
>> How can I tell if a sign is written in Chinese for the tourists, or if
>> it is the Hanja?
> 
> Interesting question. Officially ALL Hanja characters in road signs
> are for Chinese tourists. But they are just written just in Korean
> Hanja characters (with some exceptions I have seen). So Chinese people
> can't understand some of them. That's why this Hanja-in-signs policy
> has always been in debate.

Very interesting! I think with that knowledge and without a better idea
on the table the best option for hanja is still name:zh for now.







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Re: [Talk-ko] What is 'English' anyways?

[Changwoo Ryu]

2015-10-28 15:55 GMT+09:00 Max :

> Very interesting discussion!
>
> Out of curiosity I just checked how stuff in China and Taiwan are
> mapped. The "name=value" just contains the characters obviously, but
> some are additionally tagged with "name:zh=value" some use
> "name:zh_pinyin" https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/name:zh_pinyin
> The (correct) "name:zh_HANS" or "name:zh_HANT" is not in use on OSM
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4892372/language-codes-for-simplified-chinese-and-traditional-chinese#4894634
>
> I am not a linguist, so maybe someone could explain why Hanja is not the
> same as traditional Chinese?

As English is not the same as German? Languages change over time,
distance and people. Not just characters are diferent, meaning and
usage are often diferent in Korea or in Japan.

> How can I tell if a sign is written in Chinese for the tourists, or if
> it is the Hanja?

Interesting question. Officially ALL Hanja characters in road signs
are for Chinese tourists. But they are just written just in Korean
Hanja characters (with some exceptions I have seen). So Chinese people
can't understand some of them. That's why this Hanja-in-signs policy
has always been in debate.

Cheers.

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