Re: [talk-ph] Google making moves ...
Not only are they stealing our ish, they are not good "faultcheckers", as I found out barely an hour ago: $ Where's the island that has "Hospicio de San Jose" on it? (OSM has the island, Google "sunk" it) $ D Romualdez, Sr. is "part" of Natividad Almeda-Lopez $ The Uniliver Philippines complex in Paco is being refered to its "old" name $ They don't know where Robinson's Otis is (recently mapped on OSM, though under a landuse=retail tag) $ They haven't realize that Phil. Normal University has an annex (just a walk away, in front of the main campus) $ They don't have the acces roads within (most of) PGH $ They ignore certain streams that "we" have $ The last time I passed by Cash & Carry, I believe that it became a mall. (recently) $ Misspellings and certain misinformation $ They forgot where Mandarin Oriental Manila is (or they haven't got a clue what is that place) $ There is no U-turn overpass on C5 (going to Bonifacio Global CIty $ No update on the Bonifacio Global City area (they retained the old street plan) except for Serendra $ Eastwood City looks "half-empty" in Google, seav's coverage pwns everyone $ Borders are hopelessly and foolishly inaccurate $ San Pablo City and Santa Cruz (in Laguna) are either woefully incomplete or totally ignored, other places are mostly blank except for certain major areas (a certain major area is Metro Manila) and come on, with too much restrictions in its mapamker, I'd be better off with the tried, tested, and easy-to-fix OSM. --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Jim Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Jim Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Google making moves ... To: "OSM" Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 3:33 PM I can kind of see why Google is targeting Philippines and other developing countries. Its basically the same reason as we're doing Openstreetmap: because there is no good online map available. In HK there are a couple, so there is not as much need for another one. If you look at OSM for HK there's very little there. I'm not sure that they're poaching contributors from a Creative Commons project. Do you have any information on this? However I'd be interested to see where they got their data from. Of course they're a rich corporation and can afford to pay for it. But it seems odd that the coverage of their data is very similar to OSM -- mainly Metro Manila and not much beyond that. It seems to correspond roughly with their coverage of high res photography. Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, On Thursday, December 04, 2008 02:14 PM: > I did now know about that project of google yet. > ...and I am pretty confused and annoyed about google...AGAIN! > I mean what shall this be good for? Certainly not for the greater good: > Poaching contributors from a creative commons project, in order to fill in their own shortcommings in maping developing countries and commercializing their contributions then for free. > Because this is exactly what they a shooting for. Only this! Check google mapmaker in well maped areas like Europe or North America. There is NOTHING! Its only in countries like Philippines and Vietnam. > They saw that open communities do a good job in maping the white patches on the world map, and now they are trying to "steal" it. > If they'd put this all under an open license lice CC or GPL, it would be fine. > But this way ... > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Google making moves ...
I can kind of see why Google is targeting Philippines and other developing countries. Its basically the same reason as we're doing Openstreetmap: because there is no good online map available. In HK there are a couple, so there is not as much need for another one. If you look at OSM for HK there's very little there. I'm not sure that they're poaching contributors from a Creative Commons project. Do you have any information on this? However I'd be interested to see where they got their data from. Of course they're a rich corporation and can afford to pay for it. But it seems odd that the coverage of their data is very similar to OSM -- mainly Metro Manila and not much beyond that. It seems to correspond roughly with their coverage of high res photography. Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, On Thursday, December 04, 2008 02:14 PM: > I did now know about that project of google yet. > ...and I am pretty confused and annoyed about google...AGAIN! > I mean what shall this be good for? Certainly not for the greater good: > Poaching contributors from a creative commons project, in order to fill in > their own shortcommings in maping developing countries and > commercializing their contributions then for free. > Because this is exactly what they a shooting for. Only this! Check google > mapmaker in well maped areas like Europe or North America. There is NOTHING! > Its only in countries like Philippines and Vietnam. > They saw that open communities do a good job in maping the white patches on > the world map, and now they are trying to "steal" it. > If they'd put this all under an open license lice CC or GPL, it would be fine. > But this way ... > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Google making moves ...
I did now know about that project of google yet. ...and I am pretty confused and annoyed about google...AGAIN! I mean what shall this be good for? Certainly not for the greater good: Poaching contributors from a creative commons project, in order to fill in their own shortcommings in maping developing countries and commercializing their contributions then for free. Because this is exactly what they a shooting for. Only this! Check google mapmaker in well maped areas like Europe or North America. There is NOTHING! Its only in countries like Philippines and Vietnam. They saw that open communities do a good job in maping the white patches on the world map, and now they are trying to "steal" it. If they'd put this all under an open license lice CC or GPL, it would be fine. But this way ... IT'S KINDA EVIL, GOOGLE! Isnt't there this annual award for something like "evil behaviour" and "information misconduct" of Internet companies. Does anyone remember the name. I'd like to nominate google mapmaker. Cheers Soeren -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: "Ed Garcia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Gesendet: 04.12.08 05:16:02 > An: > CC: OSM > Betreff: Re: [talk-ph] Google making moves ... > > I tried the mapmaker only once. Immediately, I got turned off by the > strict (which is a good thing actually) but meticulous (bordering on > arrogant) moderator. that was it. did not attempt again. > > besides, I find the lack of gps trace support a dead end! how do you > even start to put a road on a province (a blank area on the map with > no existing reference points) especially if their satellite imagery > for that area is covered with clouds!? > > :>) ed > > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:54 AM, maning sambale gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Jim Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > You've probably discussed this already, but in case you haven't, > it seems that Google is entering the fray. > > > > http://maps.google.com/help/mapmaker/philippines/ > > > > I find it quite strange that the data on maps.google.com for the > Philippines is laughably inaccurate, but the data in mapmaker is > actually pretty complete. Any ideas what they're up to? > > Googlemapmaker vs. Openstreetmap > > Coverage: Google wins > Lots of satellite data > > Accuracy and Quality: Openstreetmap wins (at least from where I do > mapping : http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&gw=30&ll=14.62806,121. > 093411&spn=0.018063,0.030277&z=16 > ) > You can only do so much with satellite data > > Fun: Openstreetmap wins ( > http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&gw=30&ll=14.584445,120.982717&; > spn=0.004517,0.007569&z=18 > ) > > cheers, > maning > > > > Jim > > > > ___ > > talk-ph mailing list > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > > > -- > |-|-- > | > | __.-._ |"Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great." -Yoda | > | '-._"7' |"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N. > Branden| > | /'.-c |Linux registered user #402901, http://counter.li.org/ | > | | /T |http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ | > | _)_/L I http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ | > |-|-- > | > > > > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > -- > website administrator: > - www.waypoints.ph > - reeflife.eppgarcia.com > > PADI Divemaster #491048 > ___ talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/ > > talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Google making moves ...
I tried the mapmaker only once. Immediately, I got turned off by the strict (which is a good thing actually) but meticulous (bordering on arrogant) moderator. that was it. did not attempt again. besides, I find the lack of gps trace support a dead end! how do you even start to put a road on a province (a blank area on the map with no existing reference points) especially if their satellite imagery for that area is covered with clouds!? :>) ed On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:54 AM, maning sambale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Jim Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > You've probably discussed this already, but in case you haven't, it seems > that Google is entering the fray. > > > >http://maps.google.com/help/mapmaker/philippines/ > > > > I find it quite strange that the data on maps.google.com for the > Philippines is laughably inaccurate, but the data in mapmaker is actually > pretty complete. Any ideas what they're up to? > > Googlemapmaker vs. Openstreetmap > > Coverage: Google wins > Lots of satellite data > > Accuracy and Quality: Openstreetmap wins (at least from where I do > mapping : > http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&gw=30&ll=14.62806,121.093411&spn=0.018063,0.030277&z=16 > ) > You can only do so much with satellite data > > Fun: Openstreetmap wins ( > > http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&gw=30&ll=14.584445,120.982717&spn=0.004517,0.007569&z=18 > ) > > cheers, > maning > > > Jim > > > > ___ > > talk-ph mailing list > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > > > > > -- > |-|--| > | __.-._ |"Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great." -Yoda | > | '-._"7' |"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden| > | /'.-c |Linux registered user #402901, http://counter.li.org/ | > | | /T |http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ | > | _)_/L I http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ | > |-|--| > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Google making moves ...
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM, Jim Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > You've probably discussed this already, but in case you haven't, it seems > that Google is entering the fray. > >http://maps.google.com/help/mapmaker/philippines/ > > I find it quite strange that the data on maps.google.com for the Philippines > is laughably inaccurate, but the data in mapmaker is actually pretty > complete. Any ideas what they're up to? Googlemapmaker vs. Openstreetmap Coverage: Google wins Lots of satellite data Accuracy and Quality: Openstreetmap wins (at least from where I do mapping : http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&gw=30&ll=14.62806,121.093411&spn=0.018063,0.030277&z=16 ) You can only do so much with satellite data Fun: Openstreetmap wins ( http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&gw=30&ll=14.584445,120.982717&spn=0.004517,0.007569&z=18 ) cheers, maning > Jim > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- |-|--| | __.-._ |"Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great." -Yoda | | '-._"7' |"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden| | /'.-c |Linux registered user #402901, http://counter.li.org/ | | | /T |http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ | | _)_/L I http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ | |-|--| ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Google making moves ...
Hi All, You've probably discussed this already, but in case you haven't, it seems that Google is entering the fray. http://maps.google.com/help/mapmaker/philippines/ I find it quite strange that the data on maps.google.com for the Philippines is laughably inaccurate, but the data in mapmaker is actually pretty complete. Any ideas what they're up to? Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] fun micro mapping-Luneta's Philippine Relief Map
maning sambale wrote, On Thursday, December 04, 2008 09:02 AM: > So I had the idea of try to put in OSM. So here it is rendered in Mapnik: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.584958&lon=120.982798&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF You clearly have too much time on your hands! :-) Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] openstreetbug feature enhancement request
Sorry wrong list On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 9:58 AM, maning sambale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > An openstreetbug feature enhancement request (or for future bug tracking > tool): > Add the data layer (as in the main OSM map) to view the the underlying tags > > cheers, > maning > -- > |-|--| > | __.-._ |"Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great." -Yoda | > | '-._"7' |"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden| > | /'.-c |Linux registered user #402901, http://counter.li.org/ | > | | /T |http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ | > | _)_/L I http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ | > |-|--| > -- |-|--| | __.-._ |"Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great." -Yoda | | '-._"7' |"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden| | /'.-c |Linux registered user #402901, http://counter.li.org/ | | | /T |http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ | | _)_/L I http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ | |-|--| ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] openstreetbug feature enhancement request
Hi, An openstreetbug feature enhancement request (or for future bug tracking tool): Add the data layer (as in the main OSM map) to view the the underlying tags cheers, maning -- |-|--| | __.-._ |"Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great." -Yoda | | '-._"7' |"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden| | /'.-c |Linux registered user #402901, http://counter.li.org/ | | | /T |http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ | | _)_/L I http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ | |-|--| ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] fun micro mapping-Luneta's Philippine Relief Map
Hi, When I went to CSB to talk about OSM Philippines and JOSM c/o the "smart" staff and Computer Applications Org (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2008-November/000124.html), I took the LRT-1 and saw again the largest Philippine Relief Map in Luneta (http://mayniladailyphoto.blogspot.com/2008/01/philippine-relief-map.html). So I had the idea of try to put in OSM. So here it is rendered in Mapnik: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.584958&lon=120.982798&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF The data came from the actual coastline in OSM, with a whole lot of generalization (I think it was Douglas-Peucker Algorithm). The tag is most likely wrong (natural=coastline). This is what I call micro-mapping-for-the-renderer. If there are objections in adding this to the database, I will removed without hesitation. Still it was fun to do ;) cheers, maning -- |-|--| | __.-._ |"Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great." -Yoda | | '-._"7' |"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden| | /'.-c |Linux registered user #402901, http://counter.li.org/ | | | /T |http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ | | _)_/L I http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ | |-|--| ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map
It's true that facts cannot be copyrighted (e.g., exact shapes of islands, roads, etc.) but a map is a *representation* and an *abstraction* of the real world. Copying from such a map means you're at the mercy of whatever creative processes the original mapmaker used (e.g., omitting very small islands, removing small tributaries of rivers, simplifying coastlines and roads, etc.). So tracing over such a map makes it a derivative. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:37 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi guys > > > > The original source > > > is http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Discovery_bay. > > svg&variant=zh-hk > > > > Which then points to: > > Source: Drawn using Inkscape mainly according to Centamap. > > http://www.centamap.com/gc/home.aspx > > that says: > > "(c) Survey and Mapping Office Lands Department Copyright reserved - > > reproduction by permission only " > > > I'd say the wording of the copyright notice makes it a definitely not > > usable source... > > > > WELL, WELL... I would not say so. > > Redrawing a map is not an infringement of the copyright of another person > who also created a map of that area before. > > First of all I guess we all understand taht the shape of things, streets, > shores, etc. on an (accurate) map have NOT been created by the creator of > the map, but rather by the creators of the things, streets ans shores (i.e. > god !?). Hence they cannot be a work under the copyright of the map creator, > who "only" can have a copyright in the specific visualization of those > shapes. That each accurate map of an area will feature the same shapes is in > the nature of creating an accurate map :) > > The author of the Inkscape work (i.e. Wikipedia User "Moonian") said, he > created this "mainly according to Centamap" > That CAN mean, he somehow copied the centamap-data, which will be a problem > of "Moonian" if he infringed their copyright. > However, creating a map "according to" another map can also mean that for > example he compared the two maps after creating it and they match, which > would be an indicator that both are accurate :), but not necessarity that he > copied his map. Even if he verified his map by directly crossreferencing it > against centamap, it would not be a Copyright infringement (as long it is > only mere verifying). > > Important is, not to directly copy from another map. Converting vector data > is definitely a direct copy. Tracing another picture into vector data - like > we do it with the Yahoo satelite pictures - is not such a clear case > anymore. But most probably still "copying" under too many national > jurisdictions; and therefore not allowed in OSM. > However if someone redraws a third party map by freehand drawing a sketch > in Inkskape, whereas at the end of the day the result (i.e. THAT > visualization of the area) is totally abstract from the other map the only > thing they have in common being the very shapes of things, streets and > shores in the mapped area > ...well that will not be a copyright infringement. > > The answer lies behind the question 'How exactly did Moonian actually > create the map?". > As I said: the mere correlation of shapes imo cannot be an indicator, as > the shapes as such are not copyrighted. And I really cannot see any other > similarities between the two maps, save correlating shapes. His map is in > fact very different from the Centamap. > I think we cannot allege Moonian of directly copying; hence we have to > assume that it's his own work. > > Moonian did license the map expressly under the General Public License AND > Creative Commons License w/o "Remix-limitation" (the latter being the one > also used in OSM). Hence we even dont have to answer the question if > Wikipedia material (which is usually GPL licensed) generally can be used in > OSM or not. Moonian's map can be used for direct copying/converting > whatoever into OSM under the CC license, provided that you > - mention his name as the author of the original work you based your > adaption upon (i.e. tag his > name) > - distribute your work under the same license, which you will automatically > do when uploading them to OSM :) > > Cheers > Soeren > > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map
Hi guys > > The original source > > is http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Discovery_bay. > svg&variant=zh-hk > > Which then points to: > Source: Drawn using Inkscape mainly according to Centamap. > http://www.centamap.com/gc/home.aspx > that says: > "(c) Survey and Mapping Office Lands Department Copyright reserved - > reproduction by permission only " > I'd say the wording of the copyright notice makes it a definitely not > usable source... > WELL, WELL... I would not say so. Redrawing a map is not an infringement of the copyright of another person who also created a map of that area before. First of all I guess we all understand taht the shape of things, streets, shores, etc. on an (accurate) map have NOT been created by the creator of the map, but rather by the creators of the things, streets ans shores (i.e. god !?). Hence they cannot be a work under the copyright of the map creator, who "only" can have a copyright in the specific visualization of those shapes. That each accurate map of an area will feature the same shapes is in the nature of creating an accurate map :) The author of the Inkscape work (i.e. Wikipedia User "Moonian") said, he created this "mainly according to Centamap" That CAN mean, he somehow copied the centamap-data, which will be a problem of "Moonian" if he infringed their copyright. However, creating a map "according to" another map can also mean that for example he compared the two maps after creating it and they match, which would be an indicator that both are accurate :), but not necessarity that he copied his map. Even if he verified his map by directly crossreferencing it against centamap, it would not be a Copyright infringement (as long it is only mere verifying). Important is, not to directly copy from another map. Converting vector data is definitely a direct copy. Tracing another picture into vector data - like we do it with the Yahoo satelite pictures - is not such a clear case anymore. But most probably still "copying" under too many national jurisdictions; and therefore not allowed in OSM. However if someone redraws a third party map by freehand drawing a sketch in Inkskape, whereas at the end of the day the result (i.e. THAT visualization of the area) is totally abstract from the other map the only thing they have in common being the very shapes of things, streets and shores in the mapped area ...well that will not be a copyright infringement. The answer lies behind the question 'How exactly did Moonian actually create the map?". As I said: the mere correlation of shapes imo cannot be an indicator, as the shapes as such are not copyrighted. And I really cannot see any other similarities between the two maps, save correlating shapes. His map is in fact very different from the Centamap. I think we cannot allege Moonian of directly copying; hence we have to assume that it's his own work. Moonian did license the map expressly under the General Public License AND Creative Commons License w/o "Remix-limitation" (the latter being the one also used in OSM). Hence we even dont have to answer the question if Wikipedia material (which is usually GPL licensed) generally can be used in OSM or not. Moonian's map can be used for direct copying/converting whatoever into OSM under the CC license, provided that you - mention his name as the author of the original work you based your adaption upon (i.e. tag his name) - distribute your work under the same license, which you will automatically do when uploading them to OSM :) Cheers Soeren ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map
Another thing. It's not clear what the projection that Wikipedia map uses, so you cannot exactly trace it (or rectify it) if you don't know the original projection and the coordinates of the map's extent, even if the licensing is kosher. Regards, Eugene On 12/3/08, D Tucny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/12/3 maning sambale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > The original source >> > is >> http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Discovery_bay.svg&variant=zh-hk >> >> Which then points to: >> Source: Drawn using Inkscape mainly according to Centamap. >> http://www.centamap.com/gc/home.aspx >> that says: >> "(c) Survey and Mapping Office Lands Department Copyright reserved - >> reproduction by permission only " >> > > Ahh, thanks, I missed that... > > >> >> > I'm also a little concerned as to the source of the original data used >> > to >> > make the map... If it was traced off google for example, does that put >> OSM >> > at risk? >> Probably yes. >> > > I'd say the wording of the copyright notice makes it a definitely not usable > source... > > d > -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map
2008/12/3 maning sambale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The original source > > is > http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Discovery_bay.svg&variant=zh-hk > > Which then points to: > Source: Drawn using Inkscape mainly according to Centamap. > http://www.centamap.com/gc/home.aspx > that says: > "(c) Survey and Mapping Office Lands Department Copyright reserved - > reproduction by permission only " > Ahh, thanks, I missed that... > > > I'm also a little concerned as to the source of the original data used to > > make the map... If it was traced off google for example, does that put > OSM > > at risk? > Probably yes. > I'd say the wording of the copyright notice makes it a definitely not usable source... d ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map
in ubuntu: sudo apt-get install mapserver Let me know if you plan to take this route and I'll dig my config. But I suggest you take the mapwarper approach first. cheers, maning On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Jim Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe someone had better tell Wikipedia as well then ... ;-) > > I'll hold off for now then, but I was more interested in the technique as > much as anything. I'd played around with it, but never got around to > downloading my own WMS server, which seems like a bit too much hassle in fact. > > Jim > > maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, December 03, 2008 04:14 PM: >>> The original source >>> is >>> http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Discovery_bay.svg&variant=zh-hk >> >> Which then points to: >> Source: Drawn using Inkscape mainly according to Centamap. >> http://www.centamap.com/gc/home.aspx >> that says: >> "(c) Survey and Mapping Office Lands Department Copyright reserved - >> reproduction by permission only " >> >>> I'm also a little concerned as to the source of the original data used to >>> make the map... If it was traced off google for example, does that put OSM >>> at risk? >> Probably yes. >> > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > -- |-|--| | __.-._ |"Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great." -Yoda | | '-._"7' |"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden| | /'.-c |Linux registered user #402901, http://counter.li.org/ | | | /T |http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ | | _)_/L I http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ | |-|--| ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map
Maybe someone had better tell Wikipedia as well then ... ;-) I'll hold off for now then, but I was more interested in the technique as much as anything. I'd played around with it, but never got around to downloading my own WMS server, which seems like a bit too much hassle in fact. Jim maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, December 03, 2008 04:14 PM: >> The original source >> is >> http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Discovery_bay.svg&variant=zh-hk > > Which then points to: > Source: Drawn using Inkscape mainly according to Centamap. > http://www.centamap.com/gc/home.aspx > that says: > "(c) Survey and Mapping Office Lands Department Copyright reserved - > reproduction by permission only " > >> I'm also a little concerned as to the source of the original data used to >> make the map... If it was traced off google for example, does that put OSM >> at risk? > Probably yes. > ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map
> The original source > is > http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Discovery_bay.svg&variant=zh-hk Which then points to: Source: Drawn using Inkscape mainly according to Centamap. http://www.centamap.com/gc/home.aspx that says: "(c) Survey and Mapping Office Lands Department Copyright reserved - reproduction by permission only " > I'm also a little concerned as to the source of the original data used to > make the map... If it was traced off google for example, does that put OSM > at risk? Probably yes. maning > > ___ > talk-ph mailing list > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph > > -- |-|--| | __.-._ |"Ohhh. Great warrior. Wars not make one great." -Yoda | | '-._"7' |"Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden| | /'.-c |Linux registered user #402901, http://counter.li.org/ | | | /T |http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ | | _)_/L I http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ | |-|--| ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Using Non-copyright Images to Map
2008/12/3 Jim Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > OK, and as I've been dying to ask this question somewhere, I'm going to > flood the mailing list with an impossible two posts in the space of an hour. > > I'm assuming the maps on Wikipedia are open source. I used to live in Hong > Kong and here's an example from there which I'm particularly keen to use. >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Discovery_bay_map.svg > > The license says "Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify > this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version > 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no > Invariant Sections, no Front-Cover Texts, and no Back-Cover Texts. A copy of > the license is included in the section entitled "GNU Free Documentation > License"." > > OK well assuming I can use this, I can't really figure out how to do it. I > thought there might be a way to load it into JOSM as a background, and then > trace it. However it seems I need a Mapping Server to do this. I toyed with > the idea of setting up my own mapping server, but that seemed like trying to > crack a nut with a sledgehammer, so I thought I'd ask the group. What's the > best way to go about this? Assuming that the map is OK to use of course. > I'd check on the legal mailing list first to make sure it's ok... The original source is http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Discovery_bay.svg&variant=zh-hk which lists GPL and CCbySA as applicable licenses... Attribution shouldn't be a problem as long as you use the source tag for anything used, but, I'm not sure how the sharealike aspect of the license applies, specifically with regard to changing of the OSM license and subsequent compatibility with it... I'm also a little concerned as to the source of the original data used to make the map... If it was traced off google for example, does that put OSM at risk? d ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
