So it's here:
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business6_jan20_2009
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 11:56 AM, maning sambale
wrote:
> My take:
> On attracting more contributors:
> Yes! By all means.
>
> On vandalism:
> We all know OSM is a wiki. So nobody can stop vandalism, in my
> experience most newbie mappers do not really vandalize, they're just
> making mistakes. We all do at some point of our mapping.
>
> That being said, "with more eyeballs, all bugs are shallow".
> Currently there are no tools to effectively monitor perceived
> vandalism (intentional or not). The future api should be able to
> address some of them:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.6
>
>>> Agree I am sick of seeing on maps "MY house" or "randy's house" listed..
> I don't see a problem with this as long as we follow the addressing schema:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema
>
> On moderating changes:
> I don't think any tool for approving/rejecting changes could work.
> Only more human eyes can work. I use ito's osm mapper to monitor
> changes in my mapping area. On thing I can say for prospective
> vandals. Don't mess with my mapping area! I will revert your edits
> right away. In most cases, wala pa namang nag-ba-vandal :). Any mode
> of policing might be futile.
>
> On mistakes by newbies:
> I usually contact them with a friendly message via the osm send
> message function. If I see them making mistakes, I contact them
> directly and ask them to correct them. I don't revert edits by other
> especially if it's not around my immediate mapping area. I also use
> openstreetbugs to flag errors.
>
> OSM is a self-service project anybody can do whatever they want.
> Others may I ask then: So can I trust OSM data? My take, can you
> trust government data in the Philippines:
> http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/comparing-philippine-road-data/
>
> Keep on mapping.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Jim Morgan wrote:
>> ian lopez wrote, On Monday, January 19, 2009 10:12 AM:
>>> The media coverage may be good for the Pinoy OSM community, but I'm
>>> probably concerned that this would bring in "vandals". Hopefully, it
>>> wouldn't happen.
>>
>> You know the saying there's no such thing as bad publicity.
>>
>> Well yes, I guess there is always a risk, but we can't have it both ways. We
>> need more contributors, so we need more coverage. I think most people will
>> just use the data to export maps in any case, but if they do that, then we
>> also get exposure when people ask them where they got the map from. I think
>> the actual mapping bit will only appeal to a certain kind of person.
>>
>> But this is an interesting point. What protection do we have against the
>> deletion of information, accidental or otherwise? I remember when I started
>> on OSM, a large area I'd worked on was deleted, but I think it was
>> eventually restored from a backup. Can we roll back changes? Specifically,
>> can we roll back changes made by a particular user? Are backups held at OSM
>> central, or are we responsible for holding them ourselves.
>>
>> Its a tricky one to police. Should we have an identity check for people
>> signing up? Verification by phone for example. Probably not, as its against
>> the ethos of Open-ness.
>>
>> Should we have a moderator who needs to approve changes? This is how
>> wikipedia copes with the problem. Maybe if we could have moderator approval
>> for changes over a certain number of nodes? Just thinking aloud here. I'm
>> guessing none of this control is available within the OSM backend. But
>> perhaps they could build it in if it is requested.
>>
>> Just for the record, I'm a professional paranoiac: I'm in IT security, so
>> these are the sorts of questions I have to ask my clients every day.
>>
>> Jim
>>
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