Re: [talk-ph] Philippines PGS coastline import
-Xms switch specifies the initial size, in bytes, of the memory allocation pool On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 1:55 PM, maning sambaleemmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I've got 2Gb of memory in my laptop, so I can use this: java -jar -Xms500m -Xmx500m josm-tested.jar which gives me 500Mb of memory available to the application. In this case it loads pretty fast, and has no trouble with a 58Mb file. I use this one: java -Xmx512m -jar josm-latest.jar And increase it to 1GB depending on the need. what's the -Xms500m for? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] tag for vulcanizing shops
shop=vulcanizing +1 The shop tag is for any retail product or service. When we were debating its format, it seemed while there is a smallish set of natural core values like shop=supermarket, the larger set has to be tailored to individual countries' needs and cultures. Mike At 07:19 AM 17/06/2009, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote: As OSM originated in the UK, they would write tyre rather than tire so it's hard to say which one to use. I think, to avoid confusion and because it's more accurate shop=vulcanizing is a good tag for a vulcanizing shop :) Ronny. Nacario Neil wrote: shop=vulcanizing or shop=tire - Original Message From: George Tujan mailto:gtu...@gmail.comgtu...@gmail.com To: maning sambale mailto:emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comemmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.orgtalk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:14:18 AM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] tag for vulcanizing shops why not just use amenity=vulcanizing? btw, what should be the attributes/tag for government offices? can we just set a generic tag (that will show up on the map) for POIs marked that will be updated/identified later? On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:09 AM, maning sambalemailto:emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comemmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: amenity=tire? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.orgtalk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.orgtalk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.orgtalk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] tag for vulcanizing shops
Just curious is this just a pinoy thing (vulcanizing)? Or we have similar shops like this in other countries. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Mike Collinsonm...@ayeltd.biz wrote: shop=vulcanizing +1 The shop tag is for any retail product or service. When we were debating its format, it seemed while there is a smallish set of natural core values like shop=supermarket, the larger set has to be tailored to individual countries' needs and cultures. Mike At 07:19 AM 17/06/2009, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. wrote: As OSM originated in the UK, they would write tyre rather than tire so it's hard to say which one to use. I think, to avoid confusion and because it's more accurate shop=vulcanizing is a good tag for a vulcanizing shop :) Ronny. Nacario Neil wrote: shop=vulcanizing or shop=tire - Original Message From: George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:14:18 AM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] tag for vulcanizing shops why not just use amenity=vulcanizing? btw, what should be the attributes/tag for government offices? can we just set a generic tag (that will show up on the map) for POIs marked that will be updated/identified later? On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:09 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: amenity=tire? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] tag for vulcanizing shops
At 08:46 AM 17/06/2009, maning sambale wrote: Just curious is this just a pinoy thing (vulcanizing)? Or we havesimilar shops like this in other countries. A Pinoy thing! ... I must admit when I first came to the Philippines I had to ask what it meant though I now understand it is the proper technical term. It is a fantastic name, I somehow expect to meet the god Vulcan every time I pass one. Mike ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs
The previous thread drove me to post this. I have always been wondering how we tag features that are distinctly Filipino. Often I encounter a feature that is not the Map Feature like vulcanizing. some examples: tricycle terminal talipapa pasalubong/souvenir shops small stores (sari-sari) MMDA pink urinals :) In urban areas it might clutter the map, but in rural areas, some of these features maybe very important. For example when I did some bike mapping around Panglao there is only one vulcanizing shop in the island, fortunately, I was right in front of it when my pedal literally bolted out! Of course this is somewhat related to the previous discussion on too much POI detail. Can we come up a list of these features and a possible tag? Any ideas? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs
maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 17 June, 2009 03:10 PM: I have always been wondering how we tag features that are distinctly Filipino. Often I encounter a feature that is not the Map Feature like vulcanizing. Or maybe we should try to fit them into more generic tags where possible? If every country has a different tag for essentially a common service it will become very difficult to make a custom map renderer which works over all countries. For example. - tricycle terminal - could be marked as a general transport terminal and the name would reflect the fact it was a tricycle terminal. - talipapa = amenity=market, and the name contains talipapa - pasalubong/souvenir shops = shop=souvenir ? - small stores (sari-sari) = shop=convenience ? - MMDA pink urinals :) = OK you got me. - Vulcanizing = shop=car_repair My point is that we shouldn't be making things unncessarily complicated. If people come from outside of the Philippines and want to buy a can of coke, then they don't need to know that a sari-sari store will sell one to them. So you're making it easier for people to find what they want. (Got some ideas for this email from this rather cool site; http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/shop/ ) Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 920 912 5830 Hong Kong: +852 9100 7586 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs
Very interesting conversation! I often wonder which tag to put on certain POIs and sometimes resort to guessing, which of course is not good. What if we use this discussion as a basis for a wiki page for Pinoy POIs, sort of like a dictionary of amenities, like: MMDA urinals - see toilets Toilets - amenity=toilets; fee=yes/no Newspaper stand - shop=newsagent Cockfighting arena - sport=cockfighting Multipurpose hall - building=yes; amenity=public_building etc. I would include the generic world wide ones as well, so we can use this as a guideline for how to tag stuff when in doubt. Or is there already such a page? Ronny. ian lopez wrote: For pay toilets, amenity=toilets; fee=yes, while shop=newsagent is for newspaper stands (I think). for DVD shops, I think that there is no tag for it. The big G has Quiapo DVD (somewhat prominent when you look at it), but I think that we can't tag it since it is somewhat illegal. Basketball courts are easy, use sport=basketball. AFAIK, multipurpose buildings should be building=yes, amenity=public_building. In some places, I tag cockfighting arenas as sport=cockfighting, though a good number of people outside the Philippines do not consider sabong as a sport (and illegal in some places). Yellow Cab is a pizza place, most likely to be tagged as amenity=restaurant. Regarding MMDA's urinals, it should be amenity=toilets, fee=no (from what I know, most, if not all of its urinals are used for free), operator=Metropolitan Manila Development Authority --- On *Wed, 6/17/09, Rally de Leon /rall...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:08 PM (not all are distinctly ph poi's, but for the sake of discussion, here are some POI examples i know or don't know): -Ukay-ukay / Wagwagan -Hilot (manghihilot / mangtatawas) -Daycare - is this classified as a school? -Multipurpose Hall / Barangay Covered Courts - that cannot be plainly classified as basketball court. -Store that only sells LPG tank (gasul) -Junkshop (buy and sells scrap) -Store that primarily sells reconditioned and surplus equipments (eg. HMR) -Barangay Outpost or Police Outpost (small booth only, not barangay hall or police station) -FX Terminal (including a tag for their route destination, eg. crossing, ayala, megamall) -Newspaper stand (Tabloid / Broadsheet) - some sari-sari store sell newspaper, bulgar, taliba, most don't. -Pay Restrooms (distinction between free/public and pay restroom) -Auction houses/yard like the ones in subic (or are these just considered buildings?) -DIY shop that is specialized in electronic/speaker/radio parts, not a typical hardware (Raon-type of store, more like a radioshack equivalent, or Kuryente) - or just generalize this as hardware shop? -free-standing betting stations/ pagcor / lotto outlets and alikes -DVD DVD (or is this supposed to be secret) ;-) -clear and easy guideline which are considered fastfood and restaurant. as we don't want too many POI icons on the map. Eg. If you pay first (at the counter before you eat), then it's FASTFOOD (eg. mcdo, jollibee, greenwich, and those at regular food courts, including burger machine and good burger). If you eat-first-then-pay-the-bill, then we generally put it under RESTAURANT (especially if there's a waiter). except for the free-standing semi-permanent fishball/isaw/shawarma stand/kiosk (and alikes) where you eat first, then pay all the fishballs you've eaten. Is this classified as fastfood or simply snack stand? So is yellow cab or goldilocks a restaurant or a fastfood? i believe goldilocks and redribbon falls under bakeshop? so therefore, as long as they sell cake, even if they sell fastfood, the priority tag must be bakeshop. is this ok? that way, we use lesser and easier to identify POI icons (for use on mobile devices) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org /mc/compose?to=talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] tag for vulcanizing shops
and in our dialect we even call it bolkit! hehehe but seriously how do we settle this? do we go with shop=vulcanizing? which btw, is ok here but definitely not applicable elsewhere (as Eugene pointed out) or maybe another suggestion? shop=tire_repair perhaps? On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Eugene Alvin Villarsea...@gmail.com wrote: (Bit off-topic) I got curious about this and did some reading. Apparently in other countries, what we call vulcanizing is simply patching tires. Vulcanization is actually the process of making raw rubber (you know, the sap from rubber trees) an elastic solid by having it bind with other chemicals, usually sulfur. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcanization On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: At 08:46 AM 17/06/2009, maning sambale wrote: Just curious is this just a pinoy thing (vulcanizing)? Or we havesimilar shops like this in other countries. A Pinoy thing! ... I must admit when I first came to the Philippines I had to ask what it meant though I now understand it is the proper technical term. It is a fantastic name, I somehow expect to meet the god Vulcan every time I pass one. Mike ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs
can we setup a generic tag for POIs? so that when a contributor has doubt on what tags to use they can just use the generic tag then either update it or let others update it later On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.r...@develo.ltd.uk wrote: Very interesting conversation! I often wonder which tag to put on certain POIs and sometimes resort to guessing, which of course is not good. What if we use this discussion as a basis for a wiki page for Pinoy POIs, sort of like a dictionary of amenities, like: MMDA urinals - see toilets Toilets - amenity=toilets; fee=yes/no Newspaper stand - shop=newsagent Cockfighting arena - sport=cockfighting Multipurpose hall - building=yes; amenity=public_building etc. I would include the generic world wide ones as well, so we can use this as a guideline for how to tag stuff when in doubt. Or is there already such a page? Ronny. ian lopez wrote: For pay toilets, amenity=toilets; fee=yes, while shop=newsagent is for newspaper stands (I think). for DVD shops, I think that there is no tag for it. The big G has Quiapo DVD (somewhat prominent when you look at it), but I think that we can't tag it since it is somewhat illegal. Basketball courts are easy, use sport=basketball. AFAIK, multipurpose buildings should be building=yes, amenity=public_building. In some places, I tag cockfighting arenas as sport=cockfighting, though a good number of people outside the Philippines do not consider sabong as a sport (and illegal in some places). Yellow Cab is a pizza place, most likely to be tagged as amenity=restaurant. Regarding MMDA's urinals, it should be amenity=toilets, fee=no (from what I know, most, if not all of its urinals are used for free), operator=Metropolitan Manila Development Authority --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote: From: Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:08 PM (not all are distinctly ph poi's, but for the sake of discussion, here are some POI examples i know or don't know): -Ukay-ukay / Wagwagan -Hilot (manghihilot / mangtatawas) -Daycare - is this classified as a school? -Multipurpose Hall / Barangay Covered Courts - that cannot be plainly classified as basketball court. -Store that only sells LPG tank (gasul) -Junkshop (buy and sells scrap) -Store that primarily sells reconditioned and surplus equipments (eg. HMR) -Barangay Outpost or Police Outpost (small booth only, not barangay hall or police station) -FX Terminal (including a tag for their route destination, eg. crossing, ayala, megamall) -Newspaper stand (Tabloid / Broadsheet) - some sari-sari store sell newspaper, bulgar, taliba, most don't. -Pay Restrooms (distinction between free/public and pay restroom) -Auction houses/yard like the ones in subic (or are these just considered buildings?) -DIY shop that is specialized in electronic/speaker/radio parts, not a typical hardware (Raon-type of store, more like a radioshack equivalent, or Kuryente) - or just generalize this as hardware shop? -free-standing betting stations/ pagcor / lotto outlets and alikes -DVD DVD (or is this supposed to be secret) ;-) -clear and easy guideline which are considered fastfood and restaurant. as we don't want too many POI icons on the map. Eg. If you pay first (at the counter before you eat), then it's FASTFOOD (eg. mcdo, jollibee, greenwich, and those at regular food courts, including burger machine and good burger). If you eat-first-then-pay-the-bill, then we generally put it under RESTAURANT (especially if there's a waiter). except for the free-standing semi-permanent fishball/isaw/shawarma stand/kiosk (and alikes) where you eat first, then pay all the fishballs you've eaten. Is this classified as fastfood or simply snack stand? So is yellow cab or goldilocks a restaurant or a fastfood? i believe goldilocks and redribbon falls under bakeshop? so therefore, as long as they sell cake, even if they sell fastfood, the priority tag must be bakeshop. is this ok? that way, we use lesser and easier to identify POI icons (for use on mobile devices) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] invitation by bmw club
I think I can squeeze some time for this. :-) On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:06 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: I just got an invitation for a breakfast meeting with the bmw club. They are interested in our project mostly for gps navigation. They want to know more about OSM-PH especially how to use garmin nuvis and mapsource and other osm tools. If anybody wants to join (I can probably insist to bring along 2 OSMers) and help me share OSM love to these guys, let me know. It will be this sunday 9AM at the fort. (btw, it's fathers day) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] tagging distinctly Philippine POIs
It's very difficult to decide whether we create our own Pinoy tags or adapt existing ones for two reasons: 1. this is an international project we need to maintain the commonality of features so that it is understandable across countries; 2. some features are hyper-local, it cannot be assigned to a generic tag. To take the MMDA pink urinal a bit further, I think it should be: amenity=toilets sex/gender=male fee=no weewee=yes poopoo=hell no! operator=Metropolitan Manila Development Authority I suggest we add more features we can think of (Rally gave several index cards on this). Match them with the existing map features page. For features that doesn't have an actual match, add them to the Pinoy-POI list http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/PH:Map_Features Please add more info. On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 4:20 AM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.r...@develo.ltd.uk wrote: Looking at http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/shop/ I've seen numerous variants of such a generic tag, but yes seems to be dominating: shop=yes (213 existing) shop=shop (123 existing) shop=other (54 existing) shop=whatever (15 existing) shop=undefined (14 existing) shop=unknown (13 existing) shop=? (12 existing) shop=FIXME (10 existing) shop=misc (8 existing) shop=y (8 existing) shop= (8 existing) shop=empty (6 existing) -- although this may mean that the shop is vacant? shop=??? (2 existing) shop=Y (2 existing) shop=uknown [sic] (2 existing) shop=* (2 existing) shop=XXX-Fixme: unknown (2 existing) Is there any way to do a global search/replace on tags that are obvious misspellings or that need to be normalized, such as all the above? I also noticed there is shop=betting, shop=bookmaker and shop=gambling. Are anyone tagging those secret places where the jueting agents get their numbers? :) Also I've found a couple of interesting ones: for junk shops: shop=junk (5 existing) (there's also shop=second_hand, 5 existing) for vulcanizing shops: shop=tyres (26 existing) for pasalubong shops: shop=gifts (22 existing) or shop=gift (13 existing) for palengke: shop=wet_market (10 existing) for shoe shine/repair people with a fixed space: shop=shoe_repair (6 existing) or shop=shoemaker (5) for LPG stalls: shop=gas (2 existing) for the strawberry stalls along the way to Baguio: shop=fruit (21 existing) for the fish stalls along the way to various coastal towns: shop=fish (46 existing) (the two last ones are a bit less serious, but you can't argue it's not useful to have them there) or what about shop=sex for certain bars you should not venture into? OK that was maybe taking it a bit far, but apparently there are 16 such shops tagged already :) I've also seen semicolon in use, for example shop=sport;bicycle;outdoor Maybe we could use this to add our local flair, which is useful for Pinoys, such as shop=gifts;pasalubong ? Is this a good way, or is it better to generalize as much as possible? How will GPSs deal with that (semi colon separated tags)? I've also seen shop=car;car_repair and shop=car, car_repair, and I believe I've seen tags with | as well earlier. So which one is it, comma, semicolon or pipe? Also, is singular or plural recommended? I've seen both gift an gifts. I'm thinking singular would mke most sense, but I'm not sure. Ronny. George Tujan wrote: can we setup a generic tag for POIs? so that when a contributor has doubt on what tags to use they can just use the generic tag then either update it or let others update it later On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd.r...@develo.ltd.uk wrote: Very interesting conversation! I often wonder which tag to put on certain POIs and sometimes resort to guessing, which of course is not good. What if we use this discussion as a basis for a wiki page for Pinoy POIs, sort of like a dictionary of amenities, like: MMDA urinals - see toilets Toilets - amenity=toilets; fee=yes/no Newspaper stand - shop=newsagent Cockfighting arena - sport=cockfighting Multipurpose hall - building=yes; amenity=public_building etc. I would include the generic world wide ones as well, so we can use this as a guideline for how to tag stuff when in doubt. Or is there already such a page? Ronny. ian lopez wrote: For pay toilets, amenity=toilets; fee=yes, while shop=newsagent is for newspaper stands (I think). for DVD shops, I think that there is no tag for it. The big G has Quiapo DVD (somewhat prominent when you look at it), but I think that we can't tag it since it is somewhat illegal. Basketball courts are easy, use sport=basketball. AFAIK, multipurpose buildings should be building=yes, amenity=public_building. In some places, I tag cockfighting arenas as sport=cockfighting, though a good number of people outside the Philippines do not consider sabong as a sport (and illegal in some places). Yellow Cab is a pizza place, most likely to be tagged as amenity=restaurant. Regarding MMDA's urinals, it should be
