[talk-ph] Need help in analyzing the changesets from a user

[Andre Marcelo-Tanner]

if there isnt you should be maning atleast.

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Re: [talk-ph] Need help in analyzing the changesets from a user

[maning sambale]

> is there a way, or, I hope there is a way where the roads and POIs can be
> "locked" by "qualified or certified" mappers.  Where certain edits
> (especially for changes to already correct entities in the map) can only be
There is no feature like this that I know of.

However, there is a feature that can block editing by a specific user.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/blocks

A user should be a Moderator to be able to create temporary blocks on
other users.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Web_front_end#Permissions_and_roles

The OSM foundation's Data Working Group is tasked to assign a
Moderator privileges.   There are no criteria at the moment.  I don't
know if there is a PH contributor who is a moderator.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_working_group

> done by such mappers?  Or maybe where such mappers can easily retract the
> effects of the changesets?
>
> just wondering ...
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
> wrote:
>>
>> This user  has edited many roads
>> in Metro Manila.
>>
>> These two changesets are quite problematic:
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4410576 (update taguig and
>> tondo)
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4421045 (aligned road)
>>
>> He has no public traces and he has changed the shape of some roads for the
>> worse.
>>
>> I think that he has recorded some traces and didn't realize that the GPS
>> is affected by the urban canyon effect.
>>
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Re: [talk-ph] Commonwealth now connects to Quirino Highway?

[maning sambale]

Please don't! Mappers' lives are more important than a missing road in
the database!

:)

> But
> those leighton dump trucks are gigantic up close it scared me of getting
> crushed like a tiny ant.  We'll see if commonwealth ext is possible :)
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 07:27 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>> So should we draw it and mark it as highway=construction?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Anthony G. Balico
>>  wrote:
>>         Hi Maning,
>>
>>         No, not at all passable.
>>
>>
>>         Anthony
>>
>>
>>         On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 21:19 +0800, maning sambale wrote:
>>         > anthony,
>>         >
>>         > Thanks for verifying. In short, you can't pass by the road
>>         for now?
>>         >
>>         > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Anthony G. Balico
>>         >  wrote:
>>         > > Hi Eugene,
>>         > >
>>         > > Went out and recon'ed the area, apparently the road
>>         extension works have
>>         > > started for some time now but the area is still in heavy
>>         construction
>>         > > activities.
>>         > >
>>         > >
>>         > > Anthony
>>         > >
>>         > >
>>         > > On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 17:12 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar
>>         wrote:
>>         > >> Hi guys,
>>         > >>
>>         > >> In Google Map Maker, Commonwealth Avenue has been
>>         extended to connect
>>         > >> directly to Quirino Highway.
>>         > >>
>>         
>> http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ll=14.727572,121.046848&spn=0.020836,0.0739&z=14
>>         > >>
>>         > >> Can anybody confirm that this is so? That's possibly a
>>         major road
>>         > >> that's not yet in OSM. :-)
>>         > >>
>>         > >>
>>         > >> Eugene (osm:seav)
>>         > >> ___
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>>         > >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>>         > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
>>         > >
>>         > >
>>         > >
>>         > > ___
>>         > > talk-ph mailing list
>>         > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
>>         > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
>>         > >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [talk-ph] Need help in analyzing the changesets from a user

[Ed Garcia]

just wondering ...

is there a way, or, I hope there is a way where the roads and POIs can be
"locked" by "qualified or certified" mappers.  Where certain edits
(especially for changes to already correct entities in the map) can only be
done by such mappers?  Or maybe where such mappers can easily retract the
effects of the changesets?

just wondering ...


On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

> This user  has edited many roads
> in Metro Manila.
>
> These two changesets are quite problematic:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4410576 (update taguig and
> tondo)
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4421045 (aligned road)
>
> He has no public traces and he has changed the shape of some roads for the
> worse.
>
> I think that he has recorded some traces and didn't realize that the GPS is
> affected by the urban canyon effect.
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Commonwealth now connects to Quirino Highway?

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Maybe there's no need to actually go and take GPS tracks. Getting an
accurate positioning is not really useful at this point since no one can
pass through anyway. We can retrack using GPS when the road is opened for
traffic.

For now it seems that estimating is good since the right of way is visible
on the satellite image. (Unless they are demolishing some residential roads
in the area?)

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Anthony G. Balico  wrote:

> That's a must! :)
>
> Will try to find time to get gps tracks on it.  This leads me to a funny
> experience i had with Mindanao Ave extension.  I once planned to sneak
> and bike the ongoing construction from quirino ave to valenzuela.  But
> those leighton dump trucks are gigantic up close it scared me of getting
> crushed like a tiny ant.  We'll see if commonwealth ext is possible :)
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 07:27 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
> > So should we draw it and mark it as highway=construction?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Anthony G. Balico
> >  wrote:
> > Hi Maning,
> >
> > No, not at all passable.
> >
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 21:19 +0800, maning sambale wrote:
> > > anthony,
> > >
> > > Thanks for verifying. In short, you can't pass by the road
> > for now?
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Anthony G. Balico
> > >  wrote:
> > > > Hi Eugene,
> > > >
> > > > Went out and recon'ed the area, apparently the road
> > extension works have
> > > > started for some time now but the area is still in heavy
> > construction
> > > > activities.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anthony
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 17:12 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar
> > wrote:
> > > >> Hi guys,
> > > >>
> > > >> In Google Map Maker, Commonwealth Avenue has been
> > extended to connect
> > > >> directly to Quirino Highway.
> > > >>
> >
> http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ll=14.727572,121.046848&spn=0.020836,0.0739&z=14
> > > >>
> > > >> Can anybody confirm that this is so? That's possibly a
> > major road
> > > >> that's not yet in OSM. :-)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Eugene (osm:seav)
> > > >> ___
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> > > >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
> > > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
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> > > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [talk-ph] Commonwealth now connects to Quirino Highway?

[Anthony G. Balico]

That's a must! :)

Will try to find time to get gps tracks on it.  This leads me to a funny
experience i had with Mindanao Ave extension.  I once planned to sneak
and bike the ongoing construction from quirino ave to valenzuela.  But
those leighton dump trucks are gigantic up close it scared me of getting
crushed like a tiny ant.  We'll see if commonwealth ext is possible :)



On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 07:27 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
> So should we draw it and mark it as highway=construction?
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Anthony G. Balico
>  wrote:
> Hi Maning,
> 
> No, not at all passable.
> 
> 
> Anthony
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 21:19 +0800, maning sambale wrote:
> > anthony,
> >
> > Thanks for verifying. In short, you can't pass by the road
> for now?
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Anthony G. Balico
> >  wrote:
> > > Hi Eugene,
> > >
> > > Went out and recon'ed the area, apparently the road
> extension works have
> > > started for some time now but the area is still in heavy
> construction
> > > activities.
> > >
> > >
> > > Anthony
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 17:12 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar
> wrote:
> > >> Hi guys,
> > >>
> > >> In Google Map Maker, Commonwealth Avenue has been
> extended to connect
> > >> directly to Quirino Highway.
> > >>
> 
> http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ll=14.727572,121.046848&spn=0.020836,0.0739&z=14
> > >>
> > >> Can anybody confirm that this is so? That's possibly a
> major road
> > >> that's not yet in OSM. :-)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Eugene (osm:seav)
> > >> ___
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> > >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
> > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
> > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
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> >
> >
> >
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Re: [talk-ph] Commonwealth now connects to Quirino Highway?

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

So should we draw it and mark it as highway=construction?


On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Anthony G. Balico  wrote:

> Hi Maning,
>
> No, not at all passable.
>
>
> Anthony
>
> On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 21:19 +0800, maning sambale wrote:
> > anthony,
> >
> > Thanks for verifying. In short, you can't pass by the road for now?
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Anthony G. Balico
> >  wrote:
> > > Hi Eugene,
> > >
> > > Went out and recon'ed the area, apparently the road extension works
> have
> > > started for some time now but the area is still in heavy construction
> > > activities.
> > >
> > >
> > > Anthony
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 17:12 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
> > >> Hi guys,
> > >>
> > >> In Google Map Maker, Commonwealth Avenue has been extended to connect
> > >> directly to Quirino Highway.
> > >>
> http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ll=14.727572,121.046848&spn=0.020836,0.0739&z=14
> > >>
> > >> Can anybody confirm that this is so? That's possibly a major road
> > >> that's not yet in OSM. :-)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Eugene (osm:seav)
> > >> ___
> > >> talk-ph mailing list
> > >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
> > >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
> > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [talk-ph] Commonwealth now connects to Quirino Highway?

[Anthony G. Balico]

Hi Maning,

No, not at all passable.


Anthony

On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 21:19 +0800, maning sambale wrote:
> anthony,
> 
> Thanks for verifying. In short, you can't pass by the road for now?
> 
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Anthony G. Balico
>  wrote:
> > Hi Eugene,
> >
> > Went out and recon'ed the area, apparently the road extension works have
> > started for some time now but the area is still in heavy construction
> > activities.
> >
> >
> > Anthony
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 17:12 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
> >> Hi guys,
> >>
> >> In Google Map Maker, Commonwealth Avenue has been extended to connect
> >> directly to Quirino Highway.
> >> http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ll=14.727572,121.046848&spn=0.020836,0.0739&z=14
> >>
> >> Can anybody confirm that this is so? That's possibly a major road
> >> that's not yet in OSM. :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> Eugene (osm:seav)
> >> ___
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> >> talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
> >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
> >
> >
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> 
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Re: [talk-ph] Need help in analyzing the changesets from a user

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:

> This user  has edited many roads
> in Metro Manila.
>
> These two changesets are quite problematic:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4410576 (update taguig and
> tondo)
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4421045 (aligned road)
>
> He has no public traces and he has changed the shape of some roads for the
> worse.
>
> I think that he has recorded some traces and didn't realize that the GPS is
> affected by the urban canyon effect.
>

Follow-up: Yup, he does seem to have a non-public trace uploaded (which is
accessible as anonymous traces in Potlatch and other editors) and he
completely adjusted the roads to match the zigzags of the trace. I am now
trying to revert his edits.

You can use the following changeset analysis to check out his shape edits:
http://osm.cdauth.eu/history-viewer/changeset.php?id=4421045
http://osm.cdauth.eu/history-viewer/changeset.php?id=4410576

I've already sent him a message, by the way.
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[talk-ph] Need help in analyzing the changesets from a user

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

This user  has edited many roads
in Metro Manila.

These two changesets are quite problematic:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4410576 (update taguig and
tondo)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4421045 (aligned road)

He has no public traces and he has changed the shape of some roads for the
worse.

I think that he has recorded some traces and didn't realize that the GPS is
affected by the urban canyon effect.
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[talk-ph] Paete, Laguna is getting some love

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Check it out: http://osm.org/go/4zg8W1PcK-

(The absence of GPS tracks is a bit bothersome but Google and Bing doesn't
have high-resolution imagery of this area so we can be sure that no copying
from those sources occurred.)
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Re: [talk-ph] Commonwealth now connects to Quirino Highway?

[maning sambale]

anthony,

Thanks for verifying. In short, you can't pass by the road for now?

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Anthony G. Balico
 wrote:
> Hi Eugene,
>
> Went out and recon'ed the area, apparently the road extension works have
> started for some time now but the area is still in heavy construction
> activities.
>
>
> Anthony
>
>
> On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 17:12 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> In Google Map Maker, Commonwealth Avenue has been extended to connect
>> directly to Quirino Highway.
>> http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ll=14.727572,121.046848&spn=0.020836,0.0739&z=14
>>
>> Can anybody confirm that this is so? That's possibly a major road
>> that's not yet in OSM. :-)
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-ph] Commonwealth now connects to Quirino Highway?

[Anthony G. Balico]

Hi Eugene,

Went out and recon'ed the area, apparently the road extension works have
started for some time now but the area is still in heavy construction
activities.


Anthony


On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 17:12 +0800, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> In Google Map Maker, Commonwealth Avenue has been extended to connect
> directly to Quirino Highway.
> http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ll=14.727572,121.046848&spn=0.020836,0.0739&z=14
> 
> Can anybody confirm that this is so? That's possibly a major road
> that's not yet in OSM. :-)
> 
> 
> Eugene (osm:seav)
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[talk-ph] a fixme garmin map in development

[maning sambale]

Hi,

I am currently developing yet another OSM-PH Garmin Map.  This map is
designed for map fixing not for navigation.  I extracted data dump
reports from openstreetbugs and keepright.  See sample image here:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/4529961403_1c8e0e90b3_o.png

Now I need your help.

keepright is very useful to correct routing and other bugs in the map.
 Bringing this report into your device for field verification is very
useful, however, some of the suggested fixes do not even need field
verification.  I want to know in your experience, which of the
reported errors need actual field verification.  The detailed report
for keepright is here (check the section: Currently the following
checking procedures are implemented):
http://keepright.ipax.at/

Or if such kind of map is useful at all :)

Any ideas?

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